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So, Fez II

Some stuff happened over the weekend.

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Fez II is no longer in active development, according to developer Polytron and its designer, Phil Fish. That’s the word from Fish, who dropped his mic this weekend.

“FEZ II is cancelled,” said Fish in a statement on Polytron’s website. "i am done.i take the money and i run. this is as much as i can stomach. this is isn’t the result of any one thing, but the end of a long, bloody campaign. you win.”

For the record, I don’t believe him, even though I’ve “confirmed” the news with Fish myself over email. I suspect we will, at some point, see (and play) the sequel to Fez, but this weekend’s events provide an opportunity for Fish to leave the spotlight and protect his sanity from the world and, well, himself. Fish speaks too passionately about games to leave them behind. That isn’t some subtle hint, either. It’s my gut feeling.

But how did we get here? It begins with the latest episode of Invisible Walls, a Game Trailers podcast, featuring a lengthy rant from Marcus Beer, a longtime member of the industry now commentating under the named “Annoyed Gamer.” The podcast was discussing the recent turn of events regarding Xbox One self-publishing, and how both Fish and Braid designer Jonathan Blow used Twitter to criticize the press for running towards both of them for quotes about what was, then, still a rumor coming from Game Informer about the news. A rumor with some legitimacy? Sure, and while it eventually proved true, Blow was upset reporters were asking for commentary without more information (for example, the revenue share ratio) and Fish lamented the press seeking a quote before everything was confirmed. Fish's divisive nature is easy traffic.

Cue Beer:

“But, of course, the press, wanting to get reactions, they went to a couple of indie developers. In this case, Jonathan Blow and Phil Fish, because those guys are the self-styled kings of the indie genre. They’ve been on Indie Game: The Movie, and they’ll turn up and quote for anything and everyone. And Ms. Fish and Blow, or BlowFish as I’m going to call the two them right, because while they may be moderately tasty, they’re also kind of lethal. [They] decided to go bananas and bitch and moan to Game Informer, in particular about “How dare you, how dare you ask us questions about this story! I’m sick of you guys wanting my opinion on this story!” Both of them, both bitching away. And I’ve just got a little message for the BlowFish. Gents, you are the guys who did Indie Games: The Movie, and some of you looked relatively normal in it, one of you looked like a total tosspot in it. You can’t have it both ways. You’re successful game designers, you’re indie game designers--hurrah, good for you, you fucking hipsters. Let’s get something out of the way. If you are successful and you want people to promote your games, and you go to the press and give them quotes for anything that pertains to your shilling your next title, when the press, then, come to you and say “this is something that’s pertinent to the indie scene, let’s talk to BlowFish because BlowFish are successful and they are, you know, supposedly these pioneers” don’t get fucking snicky about it, alright? Jesus, you should be grateful that these guys consider what you say something of use.. Me? I think the both of you are a pair of tosspots. You may make good games. Well, Blow makes...Blow makes a good game. Fez, I’m just not into at all. I’m just not into it. I respect people that do [enjoy it]. My own personal opinion, though? Having seen these wankers over and over again, bitch and moan--Phil Fish in particular, though.

Other Commentator: He does come across as whiny.

Beer: Whiny? He’s a fucking asshole most of the time. I’m an asshole, but that’s what I am, that’s what I do. I suck it up. But what I’m saying is that if you guys want the promotion the next time around on your Fez 2 or...what’s the follow-up to Braid, The Witless? Witless? Whoa! Yeah, c’mon. I would like to say to every outlet who got dismissed by BlowFish, fuck ‘em. Next time they have something to shill, say “yeah, not so much interested.” It is a two-way street, it’s a symbiotic relationship. You guys are out there, you have to suck it up.”

Game developers do not owe us anything, and I don’t owe them anything. It’s archaic to view the press-developer relationship as strictly symbiotic, and is indicative of an old view of the press-developer relationship. Do I often rely on developers to open up and allow me to tell their stories? Yes, but it’s an optional dance we do the tango to. No one is indebted to the other once that exchange has run its course, and that's the end of the road. If you're on a writer/journalist making this argument, that's really bad.

Anyway.

Fish caught wind of Beer’s comments, and exploded on Twitter.

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("Compare your life to mine and then kill yourself" is a Futurama quote, but that's a bit besides the point.)

That’s just a taste. Beer eventually responded, and offered Fish an opportunity to discuss his commentary on camera, but Fish wasn’t interested. Over the next hour or so, Fish continued to vocally express his displeasure, speaking more broadly about his feelings about people slinging crap his way, and the toll it takes on psyche. It ended with Fez II’s abrupt cancellation, despite having been announced only recently.

I spent the weekend largely disconnected from the Internet. Like Fish, I’m a public figure, someone who puts themselves out there and deals with what comes back--the good and the bad. I’m not proud of the fact that I’ve grown a thick enough skin to deal with rape threats targeted at my wife simply because I’ve had the audacity to talk about sexism in video games. Nor am I proud of being able to withstand pot shots from anonymous jerks about my deceased father. These are not traits that will ever be mentioned in my resume.

We all handle criticism, especially the vitriolic kind, differently. I stopped responding to jerks, and ask people to come in my direction through email, private messages, or questions over Tumblr. Over time, it's produced excellent results, but not pulling the trigger and snarking back at a jerk is hard. Vocal game designer Hideki Kamiya tells people to fuck off. Fish responded by yelling, stirring the pot, and unironically latching himself to a photo of known troller (he probably would have hated that term) and comedian Andy Kaufman.

Some of his comments are indefensible, and some, I suspect, he wishes he could take back.

But I know the good of the Internet, too, and I wish Fish had, either, seen more of it or reminded himself of what it produces. I’ve had my moments with the Giant Bomb community, but so much has been tremendous.

I mean, look at this stuff.

When my father passed, the Giant Bomb community started a thread with well wishes about my work and anonymous comments about my father, a person none of them had ever met. I kept that thread bookmarked on my phone during the first week of my father’s passing, and would often head into the bathroom, page through the thread, not really reading anything, and cry. It was a showing of genuine compassion by a group of people who only knew me from what I put out there. When I needed them, they had my back.

And that's to say nothing of how we pulled together for during the passing of the irreplaceable Ryan Davis.

Whenever someone gets under my skin, I reach into my bag. Tucked into a pocket are a series of letters, private thoughts from people who have reached out over the years, thanking me for one thing or another that I've been involved in. Most of them bring a tear to my eye, and each reminds me why I'm still doing this.

99% of the Internet has been nothing but nice to me, even when it’s a backhanded compliment. It’s easy to focus on that 1%. That 1% is vile, hateful, spiteful, jealous, mean, and would likely be as venomous in a public place as they are with a badge of anonymity. Many are probably teenagers who will grow up and learn to regret their ignorant actions, but some of them aren’t, and those are the people who scare me the most. But I can’t spend my day worrying about the 1%. I wake up every day trying to make the other 99% happy.

I hope I’m doing an okay job of that.

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I was really surprised by how touching and sincere this piece ended up being. We love you too, Patrick. You're forever an important part of this silly internet family Giantbomb has created. I hope you never forget that. And if Ryan's passing taught me anything, it's that internet friends are as real and true as real world friends.

As for the story, Beer is just a dude with an opinion and a chip on his shoulder. He was out of line but how Fish reacted is worse than what Beer did. "The internet is being mean so I'm not making Fez 2. There!" Really? Really? The way Blow handled it is exactly the way a man in his position should handle it. Be polite, be honest and be concise. There's no need to drag it out and make a whole thing out of it. It's just giving more ammo to the people you should ignore. As a public person (persona?) you're not allowed to throw twitter tantrums and be disrespectful no matter how "indie" you are.

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Sucks about Fez but this article sums about my feelings about this really well.

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I just wanted to say I thought this was a great article. It remind me of something I read on the Internet. (I've since lost the link.) The angry minority can feel like the majority, because happy and content people don't feel the need to comment.

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I think Beer has kind of gotten very full of himself and fallen into the Morton Downy Jr./Rusk Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilly role at this point. It's kind of class-less. At the same time, Phil Fish made commitments with Fez 2. Not so much to fans, but to publishers and developers working on the project with him. Despite his anger and bruised ego, I don't think he should allow it to drive him from his work and those commitments. He made himself a very public figure with his opinions and boasts and the like, and is sucks ass, but people like Beer are the other side of that coin.

I think he should endeavor to stay as much out of the public eye as he can, keep his head down. Work on his stuff and avoid these sorts of exchanges. It's just not worth it.

And Patrick, that shit about people attacking your wife and your dad is all shades of fucked up. If people have an issue with you that's one thing. But there's no reason for that kind of underhanded shit. Sorry dude.

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Uhmmm, is this article about Fez or is it about Patrick?

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Both Beer and Fish acted out of line. Beer knew he could get a reaction out of Fish and he did. Fish proceeded by making a number of inexcusable comments which would only bring public backlash.

99% of the internet are good people. BUT I would guess that 99% of those 99% do not hold allegiances. We attempted to comfort Patrick after his father had passed the best way we know how (by making threads and sending PMs). I would imagine that if Patrick came out of every altercation he has had with a select few of the community with comments akin to Fish, we would not be as warm. I think that is where Fish went wrong. His perceived toxicity (even if he wasn't being that big of an asshole) either converted some of the good to go bad OR convinced more of those 1% to then actively comment on his twitter.

In essence, toxicity is both born and incubated in itself. Unfortunately for the public figure, it falls to them to be the better person and their readers/patrons will soon follow.

While I am not a public figure, I am a coach. At times, my players will get testy with me. While I do have to bite back, I have to do so in a way that seems fair. If I come back telling them to "compare our lives and then kill themselves" I imagine I would not have a team for very long.

The old adage is right. It's not what you said but it's how you said it.

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This whole thing is such a shame, I just want Fez II. I hope he gets back into it once everyone cools off.

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I hope Fez 2 comes out. Fez was amazing.

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I feel like phill fish should come back by releasing a video of him playing a piano and singing Kayne West's "Runaway".

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@sergio:

What do you think Gianbomb is? Or what are you doing then commenting in a comment section about an article a journalist wrote?

I wonder where I said I want to do away with game journalists?

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Good read, and I agree with Patrick, neither side owes each other anything. I hope that Fish takes a break and comes back with a cooler head. On the other side, I think Beer could do with turning down the rant level a bit. He has some good points, but they often get lost in his constant name calling and mud slinging.

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But you're not a douche-bag that sees himself above everyone Patrick. Fish is and does. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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I doubt this will get read by Patrick, but I had to say that it's level-headed, reasonable, and personal things like this that make Giant Bomb the best gaming site in the business.

The amount of vitriol being thrown Fish-ward this weekend made me want to hear the whole story. Giant Bomb and Patrick have once again come to the rescue.

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People want to throw stones (as I believe Fish has on dozens of occasions) and then not be criticized.

It's nice to want things.

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No such thing as bad publicity I guess...

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Patrick,

While I'm glad to see you comment on this I can't help but feel like this distant criticism of the internet and to an extent Beer, feels out of step, Much like your distant defense of Fish on the Bombcast. Fish uses social media as a platform to promote himself and his games, he often lets the chips fall where they may when he offends or is just being ornery. When he is offended he decides to lash out and then "quit". Beer's point of the symbiotic relationship is a fair one as it applies to all artist critic/news outlets. Personal attacks are uncalled for but Fish has delivered quite a few of his own and should know very well the power they hold. I may be way off base, but I'm most bummed because he now won't patch my version of FEZ!!

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Well said! Love you all.

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I think Phil Fish suffers from classic Female hysteria.

It's a joke! Chill out!

Someone's been listening to Justin McElroy's latest podcasts. :D

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I don't even remember who said it to me the first time, but it bears repeating - Never send an e-mail or a tweet while you are angry.

We are all human, our emotions get the better of us at times. Sometimes it's best to step away from the things that are creating stress. Don't bring your work home with you, even if you work at home.

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I think Fish is over-reacting, particularly considering how vocal and vitriolic he can be. You have to develop a thicker skin if you're putting yourself out there like he does (not saying this is easily done, but maybe temper your own opinions if you're unwilling to endure those of others). That said, the only victims here are fans of Fez who were excited for the sequel. While the gaming community has (apparently) made Fish's life complete hell, there are plenty of folks who happily gave him money for his product and were looking forward to more. Now because two assholes want to act like, well, assholes, these people - who literally had nothing to do with it - lose out. Patrick's right, nobody owes anyone anything. Fish is perfectly within his rights to cancel his own game, but the way this happened reflects most poorly on him. I hope Fez 2 comes out if only for the sake of its fans.

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Yeah, Phil Fish totally is an asshole. He made a very interesting, inventive and excellent game. It has obviously gone to his head and he didn't seem to be a very secure person before Fez. He's always come across as incredibly unstable and a person that is simply incapable of controlling his emotions like an adult. He sees what he does as the purest form of art and he does not seem to believe many people around him are at his standard.

His reaction is in line with everything he has done before. By cancelling the game he is effectively punishing both Marcus Beer and every journalist that has ever dared speak ill of him, as well as create a massive shitstorm where he will be in the center. He claims to not want this, yet he acts as though he does every single time he does anything. He is a soundbite machine and certainly the most quotable and clickable person in all of video games - yes, really. He says stupid, very offensive, shit constantly. He acts like a spoiled child. He looks like everyone's stereotype of hipster indie game designer. He will completely lose his shit if you post about him and create huge scandals for no reasons. Free goddamn admoney for every site out there. Yet he still never figured this out, and instead acted out a la "STOP POSTING ABOUT ME YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES SUCK MY DICK CHOKE ON IT", of course becoming even more of a perfect soundbite, easy clicks creating, machine.

I've tweeted to Fish numerous times describing why he needed a PR-person or something of the sort. I know journalists and most people in general hate that, but Fish is an excellent example of a person that desperately needs a filter and someone that can create a distance and space between the person Phil Fish and his games and public image. He needs someone to tell him to shut the fuck up and try to deal with why he is feeling these emotions BEFORE going on Twitter, and someone that can speak on his behalf in those difficult situations where he has been attacked and needs a response that will calm the situation down - not actually creating the situation. Fish is to blame for about 95% of the shit he's been in because of his reaction. Sure, being the target of a lot of shit is probably really awful, but you need to deal with it some other way then lashing out.

If he would've responded with just nothing unless asked, this would all be fine. This could've been handled by someone that understands these things and that would've talked Phil down. This is also why you have PR-people in general, because developers are frequently complete self-important dicks that can't be trusted to speak for themselves or the company. If Phil could've been taught that some people really ARE as meaningless as Phil himself seems to want to make the dude out to be, it would be fine. Not everything needs to be responded to. Who cares about what some limey fuck is saying about you and your game? He's a middle-aged nobody and you're successful as fuck. So shut your goddamn mouth and do what you do best, Phil - make games.

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I just wanted to say I thought this was a great article. It remind me of something I read on the Internet. (I've since lost the link.) The angry minority can feel like the majority, because happy and content people don't feel the need to comment.

Indeed. I forget the exact amount, but there was an article about how only a fraction of a percent of the people who visited this one site in particular made up all of the actual commentators. You absolutely cannot gauge the actual levels of sentiment based on the people who comment on this stuff.

I'm pretty sure I've never been a jerk directly to anyone over the internet myself (my mama dun raised me gud), but a year ago I made a conscious decision to try to always be positive or positively constructive in comments sections to make up for the vitriol. Some people can be absolutely vile under the guise of anonymity, and it's such a shame that it's expected of these industry professionals to just sit and take the abuse thrown at them.

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@patman99 said:

While I am not a public figure, I am a coach. At times, my players will get testy with me. While I do have to bite back, I have to do so in a way that seems fair. If I come back telling them to "compare our lives and then kill themselves" I imagine I would not have a team for very long.

The old adage is right. It's not what you said but it's how you said it.

But getting testy is not the same as death and rape threats hurdled towards you and your family every day and people like Phil Fish have to deal with that. Everyone has a breaking point and Phil Fish reached his. Which is a shame because he is a talented game designer and could make a ton of great games in his career.

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@mnzy: And yet Bombcast viewers cheer when Marcus says "Bobby Kotick's a cunt."

Everything is fine as long as we all hate the same things. How many poignant greeting cards say best friends' bond over hating the same people? Sports fans would say the same. This is not new, and it won't change. Human nature is base, and simple.

@undeadpool: It's doubly-amazing that Marcus prefaced his entire rant with "I don't want to be that guy that just scrabbles around for crap." Doesn't bode well for retooling the quality of his show.

Back when Marcus was still publisher PR and just moonlighting on GameTrailers, his anonymous handle was Grumpy McGrump. (We all should know @GrumpyGamer is already taken by Ron Gilbert.) The best thing about Invisible Walls was the balance that Shane and Marcus had, and their arguments were just as interesting as any topic Ryan Davis could stir up, or Brad could filibuster. Since Shane left, I see that balance really swinging as most of the GT crew are, and I use this term in a descriptive and not deliberately insulting sense: "lightweights". None of them balance Marcus especially well.

There are many GB users and smart gamers who joined the Annoyed Gamer forums, on the premise of intelligent discourse about the industry, and Marcus is very intelligent and promotes discourse that disagrees with him intelligently. I follow him on twitter, and he followed me back by choice, not from a follow-back habit. But, I don't make time to go to his site, and I rarely make time to view GT content except for Invisible Walls. I've now unsubbed from IW because it simply isn't saying anything I can't hear elsewhere.

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You Patrick have mods and community members to defend you on top of your own thickened skin, Phil is largely alone in what is common abuse.

Two questions about this point... 1) where is Patrick's team of defence when he's reading his own twitter and emails, and 2) what ever stopped Phil from recruiting moderators on the Polytron site? If you believe Phil doesn't have supporters the same as Patrick does, you're not actually reading them. And on top of that there are the insults that come over not being man enough to take what gets hurled. I'm sure the GB mods can tell you a few things about how people view their "defence" of the staff. You don't cut out the criticism, and typically not the abuse either. You simply don't allow it to fester. You let people go elsewhere to do it, because free speech. (If any of you sign that petition I will fucking tie you up and... sorry.)

Wow, never knew "indie" developers were such raging assholes.

As Patrick linked in the article, one can't pretend it's an exclusive club.

http://www.giantbomb.com/hideki-kamiya/3040-60123/forums/meanwhile-on-twitter-1439593/

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An EXCELLENT piece Patrick!

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Both Beer and Fish have made their identities ones of "hard headed bastards". I have enjoyed content from both of them but i have always questioned whether this is a good foundation to build your
social character and career on.
Perhaps off topic, but popular YouTube commenter TotalBiscut is the similar, having built a social identity of someone who makes money tearing into other people work bitterly. I enjoy a lot of his videos, but would i invite him to my Wedding or a Birthday Party.... hell no, nobody wants to be around that.
We are solely responsible for the image and identity that we build and solely responsible for the thoughts and hatred that we consume from ourselves and others. Building it up and creating with it can only lead to instances like the one in the story here.

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@warmonked: So you really think it's the same, Beer talking about Fish not wanting to leave a comment to a journalist, and Fish telling him to kill himself?

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@deegee: Because analogous experience doesn't count....

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@patrickklepek Patrick, duder, I'm damned angry that you've had to put up with the crap you had with threats to Katie and trolls taking shots concerning your dad. Sorry you've had to put up with that shit. No-one should have to. These people are nothing but utter scum.

If it gives you any hope, a guy in Manchester was arrested after making rape threats against a woman on Twitter. I have no idea if he will do time. 21 years old with a chip the size of Texas on his shoulder just because his victim had campaigned to have a female figure on one of our banknotes. Totally nuts.

Funny thing is, when I look at Mr Annoyed Gamer I can't help think of Peter Griffin and what 'Grinds his Gears'. He should also take a good long look in the mirror before opening his mouth and criticizing people for not wanting to give comment on an unconfirmed story.

As for Phil, he needs to get off the net and hire a pr guy/gal should he decide to keep making Fez 2 (I hope) and not get drawn into Twitter rants. It doesn't do him or anyone else any good.

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My personal opinion, Phil seems like an okay guy that that is too sensitive, loves being talked about and doesn't take criticism well. It's a critical flaw for someone who isn't ready to be as famous as he got. I think hes probably an okay guy personally he should just avoid responding to the internet in the way he does. He comes off as sort of an asshole.

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Amazing article and probably my favorite I've read on the matter.

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99% of the Internet has been nothing but nice to me, even when it’s a backhanded compliment. It’s easy to focus on that 1%. That 1% is vile, hateful, spiteful, jealous, mean, and would likely be as venomous in a public place as they are with a badge of anonymity. Many are probably teenagers who will grow up and learn to regret their ignorant actions, but some of them aren’t, and those are the people who scare me the most. But I can’t spend my day worrying about the 1%. I wake up every day trying to make the other 99% happy.

Damn Patrick when did you become an internet sage? That was kind of beautiful..

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@bumpton: Because as someone else mentioned, the face behind the product is sometimes important. Fish is an asshole, plain and simple. I don't wish to support him in any way, because that will just inflate his ego more. By cancelling Fez 2, he basically boycotted himself.

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As usual, Scoops does the best job of covering the tough topics.

Your perspective on the internet 1% I thought was really interesting, though it sure makes me sad to hear that some people think this way.

Keep it up Patrick! Love the content you continue to produce!

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The thing about that whole Fez 2 thing, is some critic gets on a podcast and talks with "harsh words". Shocking! What else is new?!

The real problem starts with Fish and Blow getting involved, firing back, just makes the two of them look unprofessional and childish.

Let the Howard Sterns and the Rush Limbaugh's of the game industry spout their filth, perpetually feeding the sophomoric frat stereotype our industry is constantly battling.

If we want to be treated like an adult medium, we need to act like one.

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It's really unfortunate that it's so convenient to attack someone's character without suffering any repercussions.

As for the Phil Fish incident, very highly unprofessional from both gentlemen.

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It's a shame about Fez 2, but then you reminded my of Ryan... Kind of puts it all in perspective...

I met Phil Fish two years ago at Nottingham's game city. It's a game developer's event that focuses on games being art and educational properties, as well as entertainment. It's a great festival. But anyways, Phil Fish was demoing Fez in this swanky room at the local indie cinema. Being a wannabe games journo, I did a really poor video interview with him (link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0HMxDkwWQA), in which I mistakenly referred to the game as Rez... something I still kick myself over doing to this day, especially when you realise what he went through to make the game. I didn't realise at the time, I just new Fez was the new Bastion... But anyway Fish was cool enough to talk to me and my friends and once I finally played Fez it shattered all of my initial conceptions.

Used to like Invisible Walls, but it did begin to grate on me about two years ago. First it was Shane Satterfield who seemed to go off arguing with the panel making it quite unbearable to listen to, but then eventually Marcus Beer got a little irksome, with his angry Welsh schtick. Then he gets his own 'annoyed gamer' platform and you remember the pettiness of the games industry. But I think it sucks that the result of this 'twitter war' is that Fez II has now been cancelled. Speaking as a gamer, and a wannabe games journo - Phil Fish is the piper, we are the rats. Wish he could just rise above it. But who knows? Maybe he'll come back.

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@mrpandaman: Ok, choir-boy, I'm from Sweden, but thats probably no defense ^_^
I agree that Beer is harsh in hes comments, but still telling him to go kill himself is just strange.
Sure both of them gets comments like that all the time, but when a developer tells someone to go kill himself something is not right in that guys head.
If you worked at company A, and a guy representing company B starts an argument with you, wouldn't it be kind a strange if he all of a sudden said "Go kill yourself"? If i was he's boss i wouldn't be anymore, if he couldn't defend he's out lash, he would get booted.
So defending Fish just because you guys (not meaning you in particular, just the general Internet folks) don't like Marcus Beer and want Fez 2 is just ridiculous. If Fish cant behave in a more professional manner than this, in other words defend himself from the bully Beer with good arguments like "Since I don't have the complete picture I really don't want to comment anything concerning X1", I for one wont miss him.
Fez was a really good game, but so many games comes out every month, so if Fez 2 is out I won't cry about it.

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Great article Patrick.

On the subject, I think Beer has gone too far with this one: being a polemist it's not easy, and he slipped this time. He's usually pretty good.

And I also think Fish is going to go back to work on Fez 2, as much as I can see that he's super sensitive and he had to eat a lot of shit, he shouldn't stop himself to keep doing amazing work. People have a lot of love for that, deserved love.

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Does anyone calling Phil Fish an asshole actually know the dude? "Oh I met him at this event and he came off as a real dick" does not count.

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@chumm said:
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Did this get posted yet?

Only in photos. Thanks for posting this great video.

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Phil Fish continues to be a big fucking baby, world stares on in confusion.

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I have not seen that Night Court spoof before. Laughed so hard I nearly pooped my pants. Need to quit the gluten.

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The timing on this is interesting, watched the special edition stuff for Indie Game the Movie at pretty much the same time this all went down, and there are shorts from both of the Team Meat guys basically saying they don't deal with the internet anymore specifically because of the way trolls started treating them after Super Meat Boy was successful.

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Good point about that 1 percent. It's always tempting to fixate on the negative and imagine that everyone hates you. I'm a high school teacher and it often only takes one student to ruin a day for me. One negative interaction and I begin to question why I'm doing this and wonder why everyone is out to get me. It's ridiculous, really, and I think it's even more problematic when you are out there on the internet like you are, or like Phil is. It's super important to stay grounded in the positive, and reach into that bag. I always try to smile at someone, compliment someone, and watch them smile in return.

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If this is of benefit to Phil's health then this can only be a good thing.

They're both in the wrong on this one, but people should relax about empty death threats. Put things into context.

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@brackynews said:
Back when Marcus was still publisher PR and just moonlighting on GameTrailers, his anonymous handle was Grumpy McGrump. (We all should know @GrumpyGamer is already taken by Ron Gilbert.) The best thing about Invisible Walls was the balance that Shane and Marcus had, and their arguments were just as interesting as any topic Ryan Davis could stir up, or Brad could filibuster. Since Shane left, I see that balance really swinging as most of the GT crew are, and I use this term in a descriptive and not deliberately insulting sense: "lightweights". None of them balance Marcus especially well.

There are many GB users and smart gamers who joined the Annoyed Gamer forums, on the premise of intelligent discourse about the industry, and Marcus is very intelligent and promotes discourse that disagrees with him intelligently. I follow him on twitter, and he followed me back by choice, not from a follow-back habit. But, I don't make time to go to his site, and I rarely make time to view GT content except for Invisible Walls. I've now unsubbed from IW because it simply isn't saying anything I can't hear elsewhere.

I've tried to put this into words a few times myself, but I never could come up with a summary of why IW is shit these days. I followed that show for right about 190 episodes. Shane leaving was the worst thing that happened to that show. I still enjoy Patrick Morale's reviews and views on games in general (especially when it comes to MMO, [talk which comes up on the rarest of occasions,] because I can relate as someone who played WoW for years - all the way back to vanilla), as well as Bloodworth's take on racing games, but that show has been so dead to me since Shane left. And to be entirely honest, so has GT in general - with the exception of their E3 coverage. They get so few exclusives these days.

I'm thankful I discovered Bombcast, and Giant Bomb.

But I still miss Shane. And I still miss waking up to listen to Invisible Walls on Saturdays.

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This is a sad situation. No one wins and no one looks good. The worst part about all this is that twerpy little *twelve year olds are still going to spew trash on the internet and hurt people, leading to outbursts like this one when the straw finally breaks the camel's back. We should all remember that *twelve year olds are terrible. You were terrible when you were *twelve, I was CERTAINLY terrible when I was *twelve. No one is safe from it and no one should take them seriously for anything ever. They're the ones trolling on sites like these. THEY are the ones probably spewing threats to people and loved ones. THEY are a pariah on this industry. They may be consumers but they represent a small demographic that happens to be a loud obnoxious minority.

We all need to be professional and not call names, especially if you are old enough to know better. But lets all ignore the twelve year olds' verbal diarrhea please. It will make the industry a much better place.

*Note I say twelve but it's really an average age, but that range of late tweens to early high school, people are at their worst.

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That Fez II hype trailer will forever be awesome.