Super Smash Bros. Coming Out This Year

@devoureroftime said:

@smokeyd123: You also invest in one of these:

I have no idea how these will fair in terms of input lag. I imagine we'll have a lot of testing of that when Smash comes out.

I have one of those and I don't notice any lag. Really hope Smash Wii U supports the Classic Controller.

What the hell is a greyninja.

@verysexypotato: is a pogeyman.

@shaanyboi said:

@smokeyd123 said:

This MIGHT just make me pick up a Wii U. What's the controller situation on that system? I understand that the tablet thing will probably be fine for controlling, but no way in hell am I using a wii remote.

WiiU Gamepad feels good, IMO. However, the Pro Controller will be great for Smash.

Correction, the Pro controller feels like heaven in your hands.

@ravelle: And pretty good on PC too! (With the right adapter)

Really surprised me that the 3DS version is coming so soon. I hope the time gap between 3DS and WiiU versions is used to make some DLC characters or stages for both platforms.

true enough; thinking about it the delay between releases is probably a tactic to get more people to buy both copies (i know i'm most likely going to, so you win Nintendo :( )

SSB in proper HD (without having to emulate) will be a treat regardless

People still care about Smash Brothers?

Man, this direct really got me looking into finally picking up a Wii U. Played 64 and Melee to death with a childhood friend of mine and this one is looking really good. Also, it was cool to see Nintendo do a direct that focused solely on one developer, no Reggie, Iwata or any other Nintendo personal. Not that they are bad presenters, but the whole thing felt more earnest.

@vrikk: Pfft! Obvi.

I was very excited about this Nintendo Direct. Wasn't all good news, I don't think I can ever get used to Yoshis walking like men(though they have been doing it on and off since Yoshi's Story), Samus' Other M design is still pretty poor and that ranking system does not seem very helpful. The Final Destination/For glory mode is a nice thought, and I'm happy with the way they implemented it with FD versions of other stages to wary up the graphics and music, but it's not like tournament players only play on flat stages. In the end, I'm still happy with the showing. I think ZSS's and Sheik's new abilites look like a real improvement, and Little Mac looks super cool, while Wii Fit Trainer and Villager look super funny.

Winter? Fuck that noise.

Pretty sold on the 3DS version, but want to see how it transitions from console to handheld before buying. The screens they showed for the 3DS version seemed more impressive than before, anyone else get that feeling?

Kinda cool they went out left field with adding Greninja, seems like it could be a cool addition... but there might be too many pokemans now.

I never played characters that could switch (Zelda and Brawl Samus) having the switch ability taken away is interesting. Does that annoy anyone who uses those characters?

It might be an oversimplification, in that not every competitive Smash Bros. match is on Final Destination, but it is the predominant stage people know the competitive scene for. The whole "No items/Final Destination" meme got its start because it's such a popular competitive configuration. And well, now the competitive scene gets an online mode tailor-made for them, though it might be a case of being careful what you wish for.

And as someone that tried maining Zero Suit Samus in Brawl, I'm pleased with the changes being made to her, in particular. Being a stand-alone character that's more competitively able without needing to switch back to her armored form is all I really could have asked for in her return.

@wackojackman: As a guy who really likes Zero Suit Samus and couldn't play regular Samus if my life depended on it, I'm way into it.

it depends, are the stages huge and awesome like Melee, or tiny and crappy like Brawl?

Ah yes final destination mode where everyone who uses it is automatically flagged as an asshole. Seriously why is the community for these games so damn toxic.

The existence of the 3DS version is still weird to me. I can't think of anything that would push WiiU's better than Smash Brothers if it were an exclusive (though I suppose it was in production long before they knew the WiiU would be in trouble).

This is looking good though, first time I've had even a slight bit of excitement for the game.

If there's an option to make all items Pokeballs and jack the spawn rate up stupidly high, count me in. I haven't had a system to play these games since the first one, happy that it's now heading to 3DS.

How is exactly is that? The 3DS version will likely act as a "demo" and raise awareness of the franchise among the Internet jaded and Nintendo newcomers alike after the mixed Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

was surprised the whole separation of 30 fps assists and 60 fps for main characters. Especially on 3DS.

A. Who the fuck are you?

B. Your analogy makes zero fucking sense.

C. Who the fuck are you again?

D. I own all three of the "next gen" consoles as well as all the hand helds and a high end PC, so I think I'm pretty qualified to state my opinion on this. Nothing I said was even remotely biased...

E. But seriously, who the fuck are you?

Pretty much how I feel. Smash Bros. (when combined with an at least semi-competent library of games, which the Wii-U still admittedly lacks) is a game that could have pushed me over the edge and made me buy one, but I totally don't have to, considering how all of the best stuff they're putting out is on 3DS. I'm really confused. have they given up on the Wii U, too? I have literally no need for one when I have a 3DS.

They said from the very beginning that the game would be both on Wii U and 3DS. They use the same rosters, but other than that, their feature sets aren't identical. Each has its own unique set of stages and exclusive gameplay modes, so the experience you get on the 3DS is not 100% analogous to the Wii U version. The 3DS comes well before the Wii U version, true, but it's also true that they're targeting the Wii U version for the holiday season, in turn giving them more time for polish on that version, which, as an HD console game, probably needs more time for development than the handheld version. It's also true that the 3DS and Wii U versions will interact in some way, and so it is possible that there may be features or content on the 3DS version that will be inaccessible or useless without the Wii U version to use in tandem.

So excite! Can't wait to get this on my 3DS, a portable smash bros. is like a dream come true on the handheld, and I'm so glad they got multiplayer right and there's no lame "streetpass multiplayer" or local multiplayer only.

Also going to say it is a HUGE mistake putting out the 3ds version first. WHile it is without a doubt going to sell 10 times more copies putting out the 3ds version first is tantamount to throwing the WiiU version under the bus as a large number of people would buy a wiiu just for smash and now not only do have to but dont even have to wait for a 3ds version. Yes Nintendo knows where their bread comes from at this point but hell if their doing this why make a WiiU version at all?

...that was my second thought too. It might be a sign I'm jaded about the whole thing but I am not feeling the hype at all. Its like the announcement on The Last of Us on the PS4: Nice but not a surprise and pretty far from "OMG!" territory.

@wackojackman: I really liked playing Zelda+Shiek because it meant I could play two different ways at any given time. Sure, a lot of people would JUST play Shiek, but both characters I feel had pros and cons that fit with my playstyle.

The Samus thing just kind of makes sense given that their Final Smashes were literally "Do some damage maybe, then turn into other one". I've always really hated Zero Suit Samus since it became the defacto sexy Nintendo lady but there's a growing tumblr-like crowd that claims it makes her "empowering" when she's just a video game character that has no inherit power so whatever.

tldr: Taking out the switch makes sense for Samus, will miss it on Zelda.

People still care about video games? And on a website about video games no less? That is shocking. :P

Man, I didn't really want to get the 3DS version (and I still don't think I will) so this is slightly sad news from my perspective. I guess it means I don't have to go buy a WiiU quite yet though? Ah well. Also, Charizard is cool and all, but he was my least favourite part of Pokémon Trainer in Brawl.

Also, to all those stalwarts of the classic controller who shun the Wiimote - I was one of you for the longest time, and then one of my friends (who is comfortably the best Smash player and was using a Wiimote as a 'handicap' due to our lack of GC controllers) encouraged me to join him in using one. I understand why you'd be reluctant to switch, because I took quite some convincing. But I'd seriously urge you to give it maybe five hours or so of your time just to get the hang of, because it's worth it.

It's now my preferred way to play - it takes some getting used to because of the button placements, but if you tweak the settings there's no loss of functionality and in fact probably gives you slightly quicker response time as the layout on the Wiimote means less moving your thumbs around between buttons. Probably still won't be for everyone, but it deserves a chance - and you might find you benefit from the change.

Plus the freedom to move your hands about independently while playing is a nice bonus.

@mercury45: Nah I disagree, I'd rather have the Down-B move than the Trainer "gimmick" or whatever. I hope Ivysaur and maybe even Squirtle can return. If not, probably Sceptile can take Ivysaur's place for a grass type starter pokemon, since Fire and Water are slots taken. Also, all the other grass starters aren't anywhere near as cool/good for a game like this as Sceptile.

That fucking Pong assist trophy sold me on the game. That's fucking classic Smash Bros. even though I don't really even like the assist trophies. I also like the very frank approach to this video. It's just like "yo, here's the movesets for real" and "hey we realized attempting to balance the game and stretching the "lore" to make the characters more powerful would result in a better game for everyone."

Also I kind of hope they don't bring Falco back, Fox is really enough. If anything, Wolf would be a better pick, More variation in moveset, appearance, playstyle, as well as being a villain in general makes him a better choice.

Lastly, if the netcode is solid this game is shaping up to be really something, that Final Destination mode is cool for when you get tired of the stage hazards and little gimmicks and just like the cool backgrounds and music.

@generic_username: pretty much! Look at what Microsoft was doing with Titanfall, or how well INfamous sold. We're thirsty for games and putting a "system seller" out months ahead on your more popular system isn't the best business idea. I could be wrong, but if you made it Wii U exclusive you would likely move Wii U units.

@hailinel: absolutely. However, the question is why not just release it solely on the Wii-U? Nintendo needs to move Wii-U systems. Smash Bros (and Mario Kart) are the games to do it. I'm just afraid that not having 100% parity isn't going to get people to spend another $300+ to buy a Wii U and the game again.

@l4wd0g: I think the word you're looking for is "parity," not "parody."

They've gotten rid of Pokemon Trainer guy?!

@nettacki: oops. Damn phone auto correct. I'll fix it

Oh its made by Namco? No thank you :)

I've seen this said a few times and I'm not sure where the idea comes from. If the 3DS version was limited in some way or had a much smaller roster, I could maybe see the point, but it's exactly the same game, with all of the same modes, options and characters. The Wii version might have some kind of single player mode that the 3DS one is lacking, but that's going to have to be pretty special to get people who already own the game to run out and buy another copy of the same game and an expensive system to play it on.

@ptys: What's your beef with Namco? Just out of curiosity.

I remember trying to get into Smash with Brawl. I imported the game to get it early and played it a few times, so underwhelming.

I don't get the party appeal either, we always used to play Mario Kart instead. 8 is almost enough to tempt me to get a Wii U but not until it's even lower in price.

Well, the video has over half a million views on YouTube in less than 48 hours, so clearly no one cares.

Hello hyperbole.

Looking at this message board over the last several weeks (maybe even months) people are obsessed about other things. The only mention of Smash Bros. was that "Project M" thing. Forgive me if I thought people had moved onto other things. Forgive me if I am skeptical about people going "This is awesome!" because as far as I could tell no one here was thinking about it.

This was a great direct. Very informative and entertaining. I'm pretty sure Nintendo is releasing the 3DS version first because the install base is massive, and the sales will help re-coup development cost, and disappointing Wii-U sales.

I love the Wii-U because I still enjoy platforming and niche titles like W101. Smash is, and always has been, a game that brings lots of people together. I know my friends and I are excited to give Brawl and P.M. a rest and move on to the new stuff.

Oh and hell yeah on Greninja's inclusion. The absolute coolest pokemon from gen 6. Excellent choice to represent the new Pokemon games.

@extomar: There really hasn't been any real news to discuss since E3. Just a handful of new characters with uninformative snippets of gameplay.

This may be true, but unless the 3DS version is complete trash, it'll be good enough for me to get my fix. I doubt anyone but a huge, huge fan will go out and buy both versions, and those people probably already have a Wii U. I just think that Nintendo is making it waytoo easy to get my Nintendo fix without buying their console. New awesome Zelda game? Got it on my 3DS. Animal Crossing? Mario? Smash Brothers? All available on my 3DS, and they aren't reduced experiences in any way, aside from graphical fidelity, and that's not really something I (or, i assume, most Nintendo fans, by necessity) have very high on my priority list.

Not that your points aren't completely true and valid, or that I'm complaining that they are supporting the 3DS so well, I'm just very confused about their plan with the Wii U. I mean, it's obvious that it's coming to 3DS because that's where the hardware base is, but in their (appreciated) support of the 3DS, they are actively removing reasons for to go and buy a Wii U. I have no idea what they should do instead, but the way this is happening is still totally confusing to me, from a "we need to sell Wii u" perspective.

I'm not your priest, you don't need to apologize to me. But for what it's worth I forgive you. :D

Great logic but it doesn't account for the fact that the WiiU release calendar is now a radioactive wasteland of nothing if you're not into bayoneta until the holiday season.