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The Case for Playing 50 Hours of Visual Novels

Patrick emerges from two Nonary Games with a (non-spoilery) reaction to the Zero Escape series, and why your preconceptions about the genre shouldn't turn you off from giving it a chance.

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(There aren’t major spoilers for the Zero Escape series here. Think of this as a companion piece to my spoilercast for Virtue’s Last Reward. This is really meant for people who don’t know what Zero Escape is.)

It’s not easy to play new games. By that, I mean genuinely new games. We’re not talking sequels or spin-offs and iterations on what you’re deeply familiar with, the painfully similar experiences you’ve had a thousand times over. I’m going through that with Fire Emblem: Awakening right now. Several times, I’ve wanted to put it down, and turn on...well, anything else. Devil May Cry. The Cave. Whatever, it doesn’t really matter. Stuff I know I’ll like. It’s raised the same question I asked myself during late nights terrified with Amnesia: The Dark Descent: why am I doing this?

You do it because it expands your palette. You do it because change, even when bad, is good. You do it because sometimes other people are right. In the case of the Zero Escape series--999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors and Virtue’s Last Reward--it turned out these people were very, very right.

I don’t even feel that bad for having put off the journey for so long, either. There were good reasons, which I’ll get to, but I’m getting ahead of myself.

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At the bare minimum, if you can appreciate a good story, you’ll enjoy the Zero Escape games. If you can exercise a serious amount of patience, you’ll be rewarded with a game that respects the player’s ability to connect the dots. At their core, both 999 and VLR are smart, fun, sprawling stories that begin by telling the player nothing, and end by telling the player everything. (Of course, in reality, it’s just enough to feel satisfied, while teasing the bigger picture.) More importantly, there’s a surprising amount of logical consistency. Unlike so many other stories rooted in mystery, Zero Escape begins with the implicit promise that, yes, it will pay off eventually. That’s less so in VLR than 999, as 999 was conceived without a sequel in mind, but in many ways it’s true for both.

What’s the Zero Escape series, anyway? A good question for the many people who weren’t the group of vocal fans who were constantly asking one of us to just play the damn games.

Both are visual novels. Visuals novels are an evolutionary split from the adventure game, an interesting hybridization of the player choice offered in text adventures like Zork and the heavily authored stories present in the “classic” adventure games from LucasArts' heyday. What this practically means is visual novels are largely about reading, making decisions, unlocking cutscenes, and watching those cutscenes play out in different ways when you load it up again. Often, this is required to understand what's really happening in the story. Some visual novels have puzzle elements, some do not. 999 and VLR have their puzzle elements baked into the fiction.

999 was released on the DS, and is easily obtained from Amazon. It's only $20, and the only way to the play the game. There is a very specific reason why it couldn't be ported to another platform, at least one that didn't have two screens. The sequel, Virtue's Last Reward, was released on both 3DS and Vita last year. The 3DS version has the advantage of a second screen for taking notes, which I found infinitely useful. Unfortunately, it's also hobbled by a crippling progress-erasing bug that occasionally crops up when saving during puzzle sections. I never ran into it, but it's worth keeping in mind. The Vita version does look better, and has trophies, if you're into that.

By the way, don’t search for the term visual novel on Google image search, or you run the risk of turning yourself off from what I’m about to advocate for in this piece. Then again, supposing you’re not at work, click here. A gallery of innocent and often sexualized depictions of women is what you'll find, and it’s what I’d surmised about the genre during my brief investigation into it. I wrote it off, truth be told, and didn’t feel bad. Who would want to play that?

(For what it’s worth, I do take issue with some of the sexualization in these games, which I’ll get to later.)

In 999, there are nine people who have been kidnapped by a man/woman/it named Zero, who has locked them on a quickly flooding boat. And it might be the...Titanic? Each person has various levels of short term amnesia, thanks to the gas used to knock them out, and very few know one another. Everyone has a device attached to their arm that’s accompanied by a number, and the devices are used to enter the nine doors around the ship. If you find the door marked “9,” you can leave--everyone can leave. Players must follow specific rules, though. Breaking the rules means a bomb in your stomach explodes. Zero, through a loudspeaker, explains this is all part of the Nonary Game.

It’s impossible to explain the setup for Virtue’s Last Reward without getting into spoiler territory for 999, but you won’t be surprised to learn it also involves a bunch of people being kidnapped by a figure named Zero. Anything more would start giving away part of the fun.

That fun involves a whole helluva lot of reading, and it’s not handled well in 999. The budget for 999 wasn’t very high, so there’s no voice acting, and everything’s text. That’s good and fine, except the text moves extraordinarily slow, and it’s not until you encounter an ending for the first time that you’re given the option to make that text move any faster. The second time around, holding down on the d-pad automatically skips any text you’ve already encountered. It still means you’re sitting through a fast-forwarded version of old sequences, but it’s nonetheless an improvement.

Justifying why one would want to play 999 a second time without getting into the nature of what’s really happening is tough. Here’s how I’d explain it, and how I’d warn anyone about to embark on 999 for the first time. You’re going to spend a bunch of hours playing this game, and encounter what’s called a “Bad End.” It’s not an ending that will provide any closure--in fact, it will only confuse you more. Upon unlocking this ending, it will become clear there are multiple ways to finish 999. It’s pretty obvious how to experience the various divergences, as the game often asks the player what group he would like to be a part of. Many people warned me about this going into 999, and I can’t imagine what it would be like to play 999, run into a “Bad End,” and assume that’s how it's supposed to play out.

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There are six “real” endings in 999, and nine in VLR. In total, however, VLR has 35 endings. That’s a somewhat disingenuous representation of VLR, since a “Bad End” in VLR is not one of the “real” endings. I know, we’re getting into some seriously bizarre semantics, but stay with me.

You need to see most of the endings in both games for a few reasons.

One, it all does mean something. Truly! That sounds really vague, but it’s also really true. There is a reason for playing through 999 and VLR multiple times, and it goes much further than just seeing how a story can play out in different ways, ala your traditional choose your own adventure story. To say anything more would be skirting around what’s happening in the Zero Escape series, and the discovery of these revelations is much of the appeal. But trust me when I tell you there’s a real payoff for the investment, even if that investment means playing through some of the same sections over and over again. Just hold down on the d-pad, and you’ll make it through okay. I did!

(Thankfully, VLR meaningfully addresses and largely solves these issues by visualizing the game’s timeline and allowing the player to, at any time, jump around the multiple decision points.)

Two, it’s necessary for the payoff. Part of the hook in both 999 and VLR is encountering dead end after dead end, beginning to put the pieces together (wrongly, in almost every case), and marching towards what is called the “True Ending.” This is where all the cards are put on the table, and the story presents its true self.

Nothing about 999 makes any lick of sense for the longest time, but the oddities about your situation, and the continued acknowledgement by your character about the increasing stack of oddities, pushes you to keep going. The main character is aware things are weird, and logic has been lost. When characters don’t do that, the audiences agonizes. Sometimes, this split between what the audience wants and what the characters actually do is played up to dramatic effect, such as the lonely babysitter walking around the house alone to track down a noise in a horror film. Other times, it’s an overused narrative device mean to to kick the can down the road, like in LOST.

Yes, I just took a pot shot at LOST.

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So long as there’s a legitimate payoff, that’s all fine, and 999 pays off like a son of a bitch. Over here is the picture I took of myself after unlocking the “True Ending” in 999.

The games are hardly perfect--don’t get me started on the puzzles--and their issues go beyond repetitive text. Both games are guilty of sexualizing characters for no good reason, undermining the huge amount of time it spends fleshing each of them out. In 999, it’s Lotus. In VLR, it’s Clover and a character whose name I can’t say, since it would be a spoiler for VLR. In any case, keep in mind how these characters are dressed. You might think each of them are depicted as floosies, but that’s not the case. Each are smart, independent, and bold women with interesting back stories, characters who are cut off at the knees by what one would hardly call clothing. It plays into the worst stereotypes of Japan’s depiction of women, and an early reason why I’d dismissed both games. Maybe these characters just like to dress this way? Let's assume that's true. It hardly forgives the game's repeated indulgence of the player's character cracking cheap, juvenile sex jokes at the expense of every single one of these characters. It comfortably discredits the argument the characters were designed this way other than to be provocative. The next Zero Escape game would do well to dispense with this.

Try to put that out of your mind, and you’re left with some awfully special games. They’re not for everyone. I wouldn’t blame anyone who rolled their eyes at spending 50 hours with games that spent most of their time talking to you.

If you take the same leap of faith I did, though, you’ll be happy you did.

Also, your brain will explode. Promise.

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The bug he mentions for VLR on the 3DS is NO JOKE. I lost 21 hours of progress after attempting a save in the PEC puzzle room and almost lost my mind. It took 13 extra hours just to reconstruct my game and replay up to the point where I lost everything. In the end it was worth it, and I really enjoyed the game. But if you play on 3DS, avoid saving in the puzzle rooms ENTIRELY. You definitely don't want to go through what I had to deal with.

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I just finished 999 a few weeks ago. That game is amazing./ For such a ridiculous and complex plot it makes perfect sense (as much sense as it can make) and has so many great tie-ins that just fit everything together. I can't wait to play VLR and thank you Patrick for writing this article to try to get more people interested in the series.

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Guess I probably should get to playing VLR & 999. I'm a huge fan of VN's (Ever 17, Clannad, & Katawa Shoujo are masterpieces) but I've just never got around to those two.

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@Taku128 said:

@Anjon said:

@Taku128 said:

@Anjon said:

Events shift in 999 when they really shouldn't. For example, there's a character who can die if you choose a certain course of action, but that action has nothing to do with them nor how they die. It's just an arbitrary change much like Heavy Rain's arbitrary changes.

I got every ending in 999 and have no idea what you're talking about. Your path opens up situations for certain things to happen that wouldn't in other storylines, but there's never an instance where something happens in one playthrough that should've happened in the others but didn't, at least not that I can remember.

I distinctly remember a situation where a certain character that originally died had escaped death for seemingly no reason when I got different endings. It's been a while since I've played it, but that stuck out to me as being a real "What are you trying to pull, game!?" moment. Though I haven't played VLR, so maybe they explain it in some crazy pseudo-science-y way later on in the timeline. Maybe Mantorok had something to do with it. Apologies for incredibly obscure references.

Could you spoiler tag what you're talking about? The only situation I could think of would be

*MAJOR 999 SPOILERS INSIDE TAG*

Wow, that's actually what I was talking about, but I was remembering it very differently, probably since I basically ran through all of the endings in that game in about a day, all while screaming "WTF" every few minutes. The game doesn't really take care in explaining its crazy twists, so there's so much stuff that got bogged down that I still don't understand. A lot of it is probably weird "anime" stuff like (not really a spoiler since it starts right at the beginning), why does Junpei actually care about Akane to the point of doing the things he does in the different ending paths when he literally forgot she existed until she literally tackled him to the ground and rubbed her face all over him? Is that just an anime thing or did they explain that in a twist? I remember a twist involving them that kiiiiiind of seemed like it was implying something about that but the game is just full of twists literally every 5 minutes or so and it all starts to feel very silly... but that's just my opinion. In any case, that dead character thing isn't as despicable as I thought it was. I thought it was some straight up David Cage-ian mess.
 
Edit: In retrospect, I guess having twists on top of twists on top of twists is also an "anime thing"...
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@zerdune: It's entirely fine you didn't like the game, but I think it's safe to say that the true ending won't have any impact if you only went through a single story branch.

999 and VLR both have story-driven reasons why you should know every ending, including the bad ones. All of the story branches have to do with tying together the main plot.

Again though, I can see why it's not everyone's cup of tea. Even as someone who likes this sort of game now and then, even I had to look past a lot in order to appreciate them. VLR I think is generally better than 999 in quality, but I can say for certain that it won't change anyone's mind if they don't like the first game's storytelling.

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I played 999 back in 2011. Hated the characters and the plot. And that text scroll was so slow. When I got a bad ending, I said fuck this game, watched the true ending on Youtube and don't even remember it anymore despite Patrick claiming it was some "holy shit" moment. At least I got my money back when I sold the game at an auction site. I tried the VLR demo recently but it seemed about the same quality as 999.

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Ever since you started talking about these games I've wanted to play these games but alas no 3DS

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@Anjon said:

@Taku128 said:

@Anjon said:

Events shift in 999 when they really shouldn't. For example, there's a character who can die if you choose a certain course of action, but that action has nothing to do with them nor how they die. It's just an arbitrary change much like Heavy Rain's arbitrary changes.

I got every ending in 999 and have no idea what you're talking about. Your path opens up situations for certain things to happen that wouldn't in other storylines, but there's never an instance where something happens in one playthrough that should've happened in the others but didn't, at least not that I can remember.

I distinctly remember a situation where a certain character that originally died had escaped death for seemingly no reason when I got different endings. It's been a while since I've played it, but that stuck out to me as being a real "What are you trying to pull, game!?" moment. Though I haven't played VLR, so maybe they explain it in some crazy pseudo-science-y way later on in the timeline. Maybe Mantorok had something to do with it. Apologies for incredibly obscure references.

Could you spoiler tag what you're talking about? The only situation I could think of would be

*MAJOR 999 SPOILERS INSIDE TAG*

When Snake is "killed" by being pushed through the Number 3 Door, but in the true ending you find out it was actually Nagisa Nijisaki, one of the Cradle Pharmaceutical executives, who got pushed through the door. Santa dressed him as Snake to trick Ace into killing him since his prosopagnosia would prevent him from realizing it wasn't Snake. This is consistent across all "timelines".
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Really awesome stuff! Great spoiler-free read that I will have to send a link to friends to try and convince more of them to play these games. :)

I also gotta agree, VLR did almost make my brain explode at the end. I actually got a headache from getting my head around it, and that is a first for any medium. I also had been playing 4-5 hours straight at that point not being able to put it down :P

Man, looking forward to the next one ^_^

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@golguin said:

Shit, so I could play 999 then? You could make an argument that the Phoenix Wright series is visual novel with some puzzle elements, but the way the story hooks you in and how you make logical connections to present the correct evidence is something no other game series of stand alone game has ever provided.

Is 999 the same kind of thing where you can feel good about figuring things out or is it mostly the story?

It's a bit of a different kind of story, but there is a LOT of mysterious stuff going on that does pay off when it all gets sorted out. I don't necessarily think the PLAYER is the one that is usually going to be deducing these things as they are in Ace Attorney, but it can be fun to speculate as you go along. The games do have puzzle rooms (and some of them can be sort of obtuse).

999 has a lot more novel-like narration though (which I personally find to be written a bit badly), although the character dialogue is mostly alright. VLR dispenses with the third-person narration and makes it from the main character's perspective instead, akin to how Ace Attorney handles it (mostly being dialogue, and occasionally being narrated by the main character's inner thoughts). Although I don't think either of the games has characters or writing as good as Ace Attorney, the overall stories are hugely mindblowing, and I think they're worth a try. Neither of those games' stories are what they seem, so if you're willing to stick with them long enough I think you'll be surprised. 999 is the best place to start since you'll get far more out of it if you play them in order, but if it's too much for you to stand, VLR is still worth a look on its own because it fixes a lot of the monotonous things from 999 (like adding the ability to skip around the timeline at will).

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@Video_Game_King said:

I still need to play 999, so I'll just leave this here to incite minor controversies:
 
*KS*

Katawa Shoujo even has a disable adult control check box. Of the two routes I played, the doings on are pretty mild too. They are NSFW, but something you could see in an R rated movie. 
 
While this doesn't paint the prettiest picture, I would say a lot of visual novels are come for the porn, stay for the story. You start rushing through any naughty bits to get to the part you care about. There are also some visual novels that have no porn on the PC, but its not as big of a group. 
 
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@Draxyle said:

(not only from Japan, but it's pretty excessive from there) that really needs to be subverted at least a little bit. Sexuality has to serve a purpose, and with Lotus.. it's hard to justify a purpose for it there. Her true profession made for an interesting contrast, but her outfit still felt a bit forced and probably could have been toned down a bit.

but if part of the backstory is her being a belly dancer though how is that not a purpose for the outfit, and said outfit is in fact in the style of an actual belly dancer outfit? if you want to say its the writers writing her that backstory for sex appeal then fine.

im only chiming in cause being of indian decent, these outfits are not really uncommon, they are part of middle eastern culture.. and said women from indian culture that wear these outfits have no problem with them and are not really "slaves to men".

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@Taku128 said:

@Anjon said:

Events shift in 999 when they really shouldn't. For example, there's a character who can die if you choose a certain course of action, but that action has nothing to do with them nor how they die. It's just an arbitrary change much like Heavy Rain's arbitrary changes.

I got every ending in 999 and have no idea what you're talking about. Your path opens up situations for certain things to happen that wouldn't in other storylines, but there's never an instance where something happens in one playthrough that should've happened in the others but didn't, at least not that I can remember.

I distinctly remember a situation where a certain character that originally died had escaped death for seemingly no reason when I got different endings. It's been a while since I've played it, but that stuck out to me as being a real "What are you trying to pull, game!?" moment. Though I haven't played VLR, so maybe they explain it in some crazy pseudo-science-y way later on in the timeline. Maybe Mantorok had something to do with it.
 
 
 

Apologies for incredibly obscure references.
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In order to purify my soul, every time Patrick thinks a game has sexual discrimination, I shall avoid that game till the end of time.

Thanks Patrick, for making me a better person.

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I love that people are starting to notice this game.

When I first played it it seemed like such an impossible thing to convince someone to play seeing as the things you can't talk about (spoiler wise) are the best aspects of the game. Never thought I'd never see it here of all place, so glad it has some vocal advocates now.

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I have a feeling Patrick would really enjoy the Ace Attorney series.

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What was so bad about the puzzles?

VLR had a couple of terrible ones, but most of them were fun to figure out.

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Patrick always has to bring up Lost... which I can not relate to at all because it was a bad show.

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@patrickklepek said:

I do take issue with some of the sexualization in these games

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As someone who has played/read a visual novel or two, I think you're overstating the commitment it takes, especially 999 (can't speak for VLR yet). Anyway, you guys read books, right? Well, this is like that. On a (3)DS/Vita or your PC. The whole 'not really a game' thing seems silly to me. Sure, you can say they're not really games but why do they have to be? Just cos they're on a handheld or a PC? I don't know why 'not really being a game' is a basis to dismiss it as a piece of entertainment.

I have other complaints about Lotus before her dress sense. I didn't like her so if her clothing was supposed to be pandering then it failed on at least one account. Raised an eyebrow at Clover's wardrobe change but it's ultimately trivial.

Having said that, hearing Patrick talk so positively about 999 prompted me to actually play it when I finally got a 3DS so I have to thank you for that.

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Glad you brought up about the early "bwuh?!?" reaction to these. I chimed in on the goading you to play these back when and that was my reaction to getting the Sub ending. I had spent $35 dollars and I'm not mad but "bwuh?!?!".

For those of you reading this uninitiated in Uchikoshi's high-grade MINDFUCKERY this is the distance you're going to need to be willing to go to meet the game halfway. It's worth it.

As for the puzzles, I liked VLR's better than 999s, often because VLR's wasn't interrupted by intellegentsia info-dumping. "LETS TALK ABOUT CRYOGENICS!" whose necessity was much better handled with VLR'.

It hardly forgives the game's repeated indulgence of the player's character cracking cheap, juvenile sex jokes at the expense of every single one of these characters. It comfortably discredits the argument the characters were designed this way other than to be provocative. The next Zero Escape game would do well to dispense with this.

Funnily enough, this confusingly didn't happen to the unnamed character!

And for those going shit-flinging ape-shit over this, its just as much about the creators in the eyes of others than tender-hearted feminists. I like my sexual stuff in games with some taste and self-respect from the devs, as those two characters needed to show skin for their role as the 8th Enneagram.

Speaking of taste and self-respect, Sigma would've been much better served if the adult language from him was...adult, or at least funny like the infamous Elevavator Scene from 999. It makes it feel like it was written for the no-game losers back home and not the decent men with needs that populate the world over, especially someone as cut as Sigma. If we're going to talk "Japan" in this, we need to laser focus this issue onto that, as difficult as the video game-buying demographics over there have gotten for that to happen.

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@alibson said:

It's like Patrick is incapable of writing an article without sneaking in his feminist crap somewhere.

This is a website about video games, I want to read about the game, take that sexist bullshit to your tumblr.

It doesn't take a feminist to say that it undercuts a character's believability to have them clad in nothing but their undies. I mean, one character wears nothing on her torso except a fat sorta-necklace. She runs around topless, save for the magical whim of some obstinate jewelry.

I don't think something as petty as that is demeaning to women. It's just annoying, to me. Annoying because it completely jives with everything the game otherwise tries to tell you about her character. It cheapens it, because I feel like suddenly they're trying to sell me some kind of sex appeal, when in fact she's a character that stands completely fine on her own.

I'm a huge fan of 999 and VLR, but I'll love it when games realize they don't have to peddle me boobies. Make no mistake, I think that sexual themes should totally be permitted in games. Heck, I'm fine with the bad sex jokes. Sex scene? Go right ahead if it serves the narrative. I don't even mind a scantility-clad lady prancing around my game. But creating dumb inconsistencies in your fiction, all for the sake of what can only be pubescent titillation? That's just plain unnecessary. And ironically, it does turn people off who view this genre from afar.

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Shit, so I could play 999 then? You could make an argument that the Phoenix Wright series is visual novel with some puzzle elements, but the way the story hooks you in and how you make logical connections to present the correct evidence is something no other game series of stand alone game has ever provided.

Is 999 the same kind of thing where you can feel good about figuring things out or is it mostly the story?

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@Jamsque: I'm sure you're right. But this already rubbed me the wrong way on his spoiler cast, so I just wanted to share my point of view.

If you want to do something good about the world, how about you start changing your fellow citizen's mind about climate change and cutthroat capitalism. Once those problems have been solved, we can start worrying about the culturally influenced depiction of fictional characters in a foreign video game.

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Re-posting this for the discussion.

Yes, a lot of VNs - I'd wager most of them - feature a cast of pretty girls and a male protagonist who is expected to choose from and romance one or more of them.

These games range from light-hearted romances like Clannad to pure, no-frills pornography; unless you're already wired into a certain strain of Japanese pop culture, that does treat porn as an unironic, legitimate form of expression, it's perfectly reasonable to be put off by this stuff. Even the biggest Western visual novel of recent years, Katawa Shoujo, felt the need to hearken back to its Japanese heritage with arguably-unnecessary sex scenes, whereas the bulk of the story was a consideration of physical disabilities and how they figure into - or, more precisely, don't figure into - a person's character. It was all very inspiring and uplifting, but, though I didn't feel so myself, I could easily see the porn leaving a bad taste in someone's mouth.

The single most affecting horror story I've ever read was Saya no Uta, about a man who, by a botched surgery, perceives the world as a repulsive, nightmarish hellscape and human beings as pustulent, vile monstrosities. But then he has sex with the only "human" girl on Earth - who, it's obvious from the premise, is the real monster - and then you realize that 99% of people will immediately close the game in disgust. It's sort of tragic that a lot of great storytelling has its potential audience stunted by porn that probably doesn't need to be there in the first place.

Still, not all VNs are porno games. I'm playing the rather great Steins;Gate, about a group of otaku college kids in Akihabara who accidentally wire their microwave oven to send text messages into the past. It's good stuff.

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Yup, I'm ready for the third game now.

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@gokumane said:

@Gaff: yeah anime titties are exactly like slavery. shut up.

The manner of hyperbole used in internet arguments never ceases to irk me. Christ.
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@Animasta said:

@mangopup said:

@BlatantNinja23: They could bring Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate to the US/CA. Those games have really good stories.

JAST licensed Steins;Gate but they haven't brought it over yet afaik

JAST has not licensed Steins;Gate, they want to, but 5pb is giving them trouble.

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@Gaff: yeah anime titties are exactly like slavery. shut up.

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This sounds legitimately interesting, but I cannot justify forking out for a 3DS/Vita. Would be great to see these ported to iOS, seems like it could be a decent way to experience them. Great article though!

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@the_korben I'm all for some cultural relativism, but this just sounds like a terrible excuse to sit back and do nothing about the world. But I'm curious if you think this also holds true historically: slavery was a "thing" in the Western world. What's your opinion on that?
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Interesting article Patrick. I've been thinking about getting into 999 ever since it was first mentioned on the site. I feel like its the kind of game you need to really dedicate time to playing through. I didn't have time to play through all of Hotel Dusk and couldn't get back into it after a break, I assume this game would be the same.

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Also, in terms of visual novel games, one of my favorite series on DS has long been the Ace Attorney series (aka Phoenix Wright). Those games are excellent (and of course have their own flaws). The characters are the real draw, as the entire series is told almost 100% through wonderfully-written (text) character dialogue. The games do occasionally have a "sexualized" character, but they usually use that intentionally (some characters try to use their looks to their advantage in court to win over the judge and jurors, et cetera). In general the games are in much better taste than the Zero Escape games, and have MUCH better-written dialogue (999 in particular had pretty amateur prose, despite how interesting the story was, in my opinion).

I absolutely recommend people give the Ace Attorney series a shot (ideally in order since there's a continuing narrative, but the games' first cases are such that you can technically start from any one).

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I agree that it's important to look at games that aren't in your comfort zone to see if they speak to you in ways previous games in genre haven't. Whether that's because you dislike those previous games or you wrote of those previous games varies from genre to genre but I find it's an important excercise either way and one that's made much easier by Giant Bomb having video of like every game that comes out. It's kind of unfortunate that Graphic Novels are one of the exceptions to that as it meant I nearly missed one of my favorite games of last year. Not only did I nearly miss it I nearly never heard of it. If Day9 hadn't done a livestream of him checking it out...

I have a list of games which are my first love in specific genres. It's called "My First Loves In Genres XYZ". I suggest you check it out. Some games on there are simple cases of "I got this as a kid and it was pretty good" but many of the others (especially in recent years) see me embracing genres I've either ignored or disliked in pretty big ways.

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@alibson said:

It's like Patrick is incapable of writing an article without sneaking in his feminist crap somewhere.

This is a website about video games, I want to read about the game, take that sexist bullshit to your tumblr.

As for the topic at hand, 999 and VLR certainly sound very interesting. But the idea of a visual novel is just kind of off-putting to me. I'd like a bit more interactivity, which may be a little hypocritical from someone who's favorite game of the year last year was The Walking Dead but whatever, it's different.

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@the_korben: I can't speak on his behalf, but I'm fairly certain Patrick is not claiming to be the arbiter of all morals. He is writing about his reaction to the games, and apparently he had a negative reaction to some of the characters. Try not to lose your mind over this, the whole article is opinion and nothing about the way he phrases his objections to the way certain female characters are treated in 999 and VLR comes across any stronger than any other opinion he offers on the games.

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999 was so goddamn good, but holy fuck, that game ends...then it ends for like a another 3 hours.

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It's not so bad in 999 with the Lotus stuff. The director confirmed it's a hobby of hers and she just likes the clothes but at least they DID make her smart and clever and independent instead of a dumb dancer. Also most of the jokes made at her expense I thought are mostly about how men are repelled from her in spite of her dress sense because of her age.

Nice article though.

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SING IT, TRICKY! SING IT!

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@Ace829: Dear god that old freeware engine is hideous. Some really great doujin VNs came out during that time, but ughhhhh what a terrible UI that was

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Maybe these characters just like to dress this way? Let's assume that's true. It hardly forgives the game's repeated indulgence of the player's character cracking cheap, juvenile sex jokes at the expense of every single one of these characters. It comfortably discredits the argument the characters were designed this way other than to be provocative. The next Zero Escape game would do well to dispense with this.

well the outfit that lotus is dressed in is a "belly dancer outfit" so that type of outfit is not unusual its an outfit of like middle eastern culture, i cant speak to the other characters though as i dont know who they are.

and as for the jokes, i cant speak to that eitner as i have never played 999 or vlr.

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There's nothing inherently bad about the VN genre (unless you don't want to read when playing games), but the stigma comes from the fact that it's usually used as a medium to make inexpensive moe otaku (and sometimes porn) games. And there is a LOT of this trash on the market.

Publishers that work in localization - I work for one myself - understand that to appeal to a Western audience, there has to be other gameplay aside from reading and dialogue trees - the hybrid adventure gameplay has historically done well (Phoenix Wright, 999, etc.) over here. But, on a personal level, I really do think that some Japanese visual novels are worth checking out for the writing (and occasionally art) alone. The problem, of course, is that such things could easily have been released as text novels or audiobooks and still maintained most of the appeal.

I don't think the image of visual novels as a medium for juvenile sexy fanservice and cartoon porn is going to change anytime soon, but there is good stuff out there. Y'all shouldn't write it all off, in the same way one shouldn't write off the whole FPS genre even if the market is flooded with Call of Duty and Gears of War wannabes.

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@dvorak:

He digs Cowboy Bebop, which makes him cool in my book.(not like that dickhole Will 'White' Smith.)

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I thought Corpse Party was pretty genius for basically having the graphical and storytelling style of a SNES era JRPG, but no combat - you really don't miss it. It has just enough Clock Tower style exploration and avoidance of threats to maintain the illusion of player agency.

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@Cloudenvy said:

@Video_Game_King said:

@Cloudenvy said:

@Video_Game_King: You should've posted a picture from a good VN.

I did.

No. No you did not.

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I enjoy these sort of things. except Corpse Party i can;t bring myself to finish since it requires you to be so specific with how you do things in order to actually progress, and seeing the bad endings isn't worth starting over and over from your save points, although least 999 and last virtue doesn't seem to have that problem.

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About the sexualization and the jokes: this product was not made with only the US culture in mind. Americans have to realize that different cultures have different thresholds for what is acceptable, both in terms of sex/sexism and violence/glorification of violence. Also, different cultures have a different sense of humor.

Patrick, you simply can't claim to have the absolute moral or cultural baseline here. I don't want to say that this is what you're doing, but your value statements come across as "objective" when they are not. All of this doesn't mean that the sexism in VLR should be applauded - but at least you should understand where it comes from and not blame the developers for being influenced by their culture.

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The Zero Escape series is good stuff. Just sayin'.

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Patrick is never allowed to PFFT ANIME!? ever again. He's opened the door.

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@Cloudenvy said:

@Video_Game_King said:

@Cloudenvy said:

@Video_Game_King: You should've posted a picture from a good VN.

I did.

No. No you did not.

Shots fired in another Klepek article. I laughed.