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The Emo Kid, Troll, and Hacker in All of Us

Forumwarz writer and producer Mike Drach reflects on a game that turned into a massive critique of the Internet, even if nobody who plays it seems to care.

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Filmmaker Joss Whedon conducted an Ask Me Anything yesterday on Reddit, and was asked about fandom.

“All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend,” he said. “Art isn't your pet--it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you.”

When Mike Drach started Forumwarz with Robin Ward and Jason Kogan, conceptualized and developed in 2007 but launched in February 2008, they weren’t quite sure what they were making. It was, and still mostly is, an online video game about participating in online message boards. It's a concept that still makes me cross-eyed thinking about it.

Drach, writer and producer on Forumwarz, gave a talk at the Game Developers Conference this year called “Like Herding LOLcats: Managing the Internet's Most Unruly Gaming Communities.” After my experience with the fighting game community, I was curious. His talk suggested a man who was beaten and bruised from the last few years.

My barely played character, who just so happens to have my original Internet screen name. Ugh.
My barely played character, who just so happens to have my original Internet screen name. Ugh.

Forumwarz is currently in what Drach calls “maintenance mode.” The game hasn’t received any content updates since early 2011, and nobody works on Forumwarz full-time anymore. The servers are still running, though, which means people can still play the game and participate in the forums for the time being.

Every few weeks, Drach logs into his creation and, well, sighs.

“It's something nobody could prepare for career wise, you know?” he said. “Especially if they turn against you.”

Drach was recently monitoring a situation where one forum moderator banned a user for a series of inappropriate comments--standard procedure. One day later, another moderator unceremoniously unbanned them. Drama ensues. It's a familiar story.

“It's like a police force,” he said. "You are the commissioner in Batman or something, and this is all for things that, when you really break it down, seem really inconsequential."

The message boards are just one piece of Forumwarz, and a small one, too. The vast majority visit the Forumwarz website to play the game, then leave. Only a small percentage venture to the boards, and an even smaller number posts regularly. Those that do, however, post all the time. The moment a new thread pops up, it’s the same names.

Even though Forumwarz is in “maintenance mode,” someone has to maintain it. At times, that's Drach.

“It's still like being the mayor of a very small village,” said Drach. “The things I identify in my talk--they were kind of shallow. I didn't have much more than ‘this is how we coped.’ I didn't come up to any solutions to what's wrong with the culture itself, though I think that's a much bigger talk.”

I'll come back to that in a minute.

Forumwarz is surreal. The game is structured like any traditional message board, though Drach said his team’s specific influence was Something Awful’s infamous forums. On Something Awful, when you’re banned, you can come back but you have to pay. Users can even fork over cash to have your tagline changed. It’s a rough and tumble place, but Something Awful continues to exist, despite the harsh treatment, because it’s a good forum.

Drach believes Forumwarz resonates because parts of the game's
Drach believes Forumwarz resonates because parts of the game's "classes" are in all of us.

Players choose from one of four classes--Emo Kid, Troll, Camwhore, Hacker--and engage with fake instant message clients, boards, and shopping sites. The influence of traditional role-playing-games is immediately evident, as players earn experience points, gain levels, and employ different tactics in order to progress.

All the while, it’s incredibly easy, seemingly too easy, to be a troll.

The people aren’t real, so...why not? The game feels rigged to push people into trolling. Maybe that’s because of what happened halfway through development, when Drach realized he had a chance to try and say something with Forumwarz.

“What a lot of people don't get about Forumwarz,” said Drach, “is [thinking] ‘This is a game about trolling, I can't believe you're banning me for being a troll lol that's so stupid.’ Actually, when it's all said and done, this is a statement about Internet culture, and it's a critique.”

We’ve all been there once. Or twice. We’ve all been that guy (or girl!), and I can’t help but be thankful the current Internet didn’t exist when I was young enough to not really know any better. I’d like to think I wouldn’t be as bad as some of the people on the Internet that I encounter on a daily basis, but who’s to say? It seems like I dodged a bullet.

“We're giving people an outlet to virtually [troll],” he said, “but in the end, we're trying to say that this is something that all of us have done and all of us have witnessed or some of us have subjected to, but I think it's something that people should try to keep under wraps or maybe think twice about.”

There is an ending to Forumwarz, too, unlike arguments on the Internet. There are nine endings, and Drach admitted most players have not and will not see them. The endings are blocks of text, and much of the community doesn’t care for their inclusion. Users might roll their eyes at the chunk of moralistic script, but it’s part of Drach's vision.

“I knew people [that] would use the game in a certain way are more likely to do the evil thing,” he said, “but as a result, their ending was vicious. That was me trying to get the message across.”

Here’s the kind of vicious Drach is talking about, an excerpt from one of the game’s “evil” endings:

You become destitute, suicidal. In your depressed state, you start wondering if any of this really happened. You try to do some research, but all the records are gone. You post about your experience on message boards. People just think you're insane.

And perhaps you are. You start to commit petty crimes just to get attention. You damage property at random. You assault people on the street, shaking them, yelling about "the machine." Somehow, you can't help yourself.

You're arrested and tried, but found not guilty by reason of insanity.

You're eventually taken to a mental institution and kept on a steady regimen of pills, gradually losing what's left of your individuality as you absorb the debilitating insanity of the empty shells living--if you could call it that--in this sterile habitat. No more internet access for you; you're far too dangerous for that.

You lose all contact with the outside world, other than the occasional visit from your long-suffering mother, who just cries when she sees you.

Maybe it's for the best.

Drach figures (hopes) the Internet's problems get better with time. As a culture, we’re basically new to the Internet, and coming to grips with how to act around one another is a process. When we start to figure out how that works, maybe we'll teach our children how to be civilized, and everyone benefits. There is that whole anonymity thing, though, and Forumwarz is a clever encapsulation of that touchy issue, a trap that can get even the best of us.

“We took a snapshot of Internet culture when we started doing this in 2007,” he said. “Things have changed a little bit, but not entirely.”

Because let's face it, it’s still easier to be a troll.

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@martyarf said:

@Lokishot said:

People are insulted by the word "whore"? Are you new to the internet or just a home schooled kid?

Or maybe you're a woman who doesn't like to see gendered insults in a totally inappropriate context?

Whore is a gender neutral word, and even if it weren't, it doesn't fucking matter. I really can't believe that you're offended at the use of whore in reference to a class in a video game.

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I thought ForumWarz was pretty great. Only discovered it about a month ago when the guys mentioned it on the podcast.

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@Phished0ne said:

@TyCobb said:

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@DaveC524 said:

Why use the word "whore" Patrick? Phh... misogynistic male privilege.

Really inappropriate for a front page headline, at least to anyone not knowing what the article is about. Felt insulting.

I agree "whore" is a horrible word and should never be used. There are much better words like "slut", "bitch", "twat", and every woman's favorite, "cunt".

shut up. The character class is called "the camwhore" and this is an adult website. Ugh.

You should read my whole post. Obviously I know this is an adult website.

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I don't like the preachy message the developer attempts to posit for his users. He issues a ruling entirely based on morality, and then goes on to craft an entirely hypothetical scenario that has pretty much nothing to do with behavior on the Internet just so he can front his "message". This is the kind of fiction I absolutely despise. Something that's entirely a vehicle for an author's opinion and eschews all reason in order to conform to it. It's occasionally the reason I dislike Patrick articles: they are just sometimes too preachy.

Additionally, all this camwhore nonsense is ridiculous. Don't get mad a Patrick because you associate your gender with a gender-neutral word. If you're a male attempting to suggest this notion, either stop white-knighting or educate yourself. 4chan's /b/ was the home of camwhores for years, and while the majority of camwhores were girls of all sorts, there were loads of dudes who would get just as much attention, and were also addressed as camwhores. Frequency has no bearing on the matter, they were both camwhores.

If you have to have an issue, take it up with the ironically moral-preaching dev who made the only female class in the game a camwhore.

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What does this article have to say about forums that hasn't already been shown... by actual forums? I'm just not sure what the meta-meta layer of it being a game about a forum has to offer about society other than what we already know. The Giant Bomb forums are a better commentary on society simply because the idiocy is real instead of manufactured and encouraged.

Also, Patrick said whore. DERAIL THE TOPIC.

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Are you people really being offended by "camwhore"? Really? Thats fucking pathetic.

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I don't know who's trolling who anymore!

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@Animasta said:

@HomemadeZiggurat said:

"Cam Whore" is the established term for some people on the internet. It can be applied to a male or female that excessively posts pictures of themselves online. Would you have preferred he used "amateur models"?

it is very rarely used for men don't be disingenuous

Well, Cam Whore is one of the types of characters you could play as in the game this article is about along with Emo Kid, Troll, and Hacker. I don't understand why people are getting pissed at Patrick over this.

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Sounds like pretentious garbage.

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I like the article but as far as the whole "resonates because parts of the game's "classes" are in all of us" part just makes me go ugh. People still like to use the word emo?

Also, who goes to giant bomb and gets offended by someones use of whore? if it doesnt offend Vinny Caramel Caravella then shush.

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trolled hard

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I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

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“It's like a police force,” he said. "You are the commissioner in Batman or something, and this is all for things that, when you really break it down, seem really inconsequential."
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That was a good read Tricky. I liked your conclusion a lot. I think internet civility will come with time & education.

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Camwhore. Whore. Cam Whore.

Hmm.

Doesn't seem offensive.

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@patrickklepek said:

I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

That sounds like CBS talking. I am joking, but would be quite sad if it were true. You shouldn't have given in.

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I AM OFFENDED!

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@Winternet said:

Tricky "eXtremer" Klepek.

TriXtremer

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Disregard story, laugh at comments. Thanks for the good laugh, guys.

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TROLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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@patrickklepek said:

I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

tricky you're the best

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@Ooame said:

Are you people really being offended by "camwhore"? Really? Thats fucking pathetic.

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@Krakn3Dfx said:

That cartoon girl is grabbin' her boobzzzz!

right click - Save Image as

Well played sir, well played. On topic though, all i have to say about this is...

The greatest of them all.

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Eh, honestly who cares about the internet 'society' ever being some hub of civility and intelligence. Chaos reigns

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@Sweep said:

“It's like a police force,” he said. "You are the commissioner in Batman or something, and this is all for things that, when you really break it down, seem really inconsequential."
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Objectivity I am 100% certain that all you did was stick a transparent picture of that burger over Batman's head.

YET SOMEHOW I AM IN AWE ONCE AGAIN OF THE MASTERFULLY CRAFTED ARTWORK YOU HAVE CREATED.

Also, this article is like meta meta. It's weirding me out something furious.

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Lol at everyone crying over this.

Kill yourselves.

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@patrickklepek said:

I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

I'm bummed, only for the fact that I know you didn't remove it to appease those offended, but only to make it so the comments didn't entirely focus on the word whore and whether or not it is offensive, and instead on the article at hand.

I'll agree that it was distracting from the meat of the article, and it really was irrelevant, but it was a fairly accurate look at "Internet Society". People are significantly more interested in opinions that are contradictory (perhaps controversial) to their own.

Maybe that's a commentary on how the subject of your article is less fascinating than the use of a single word, but it's more likely that we as a people will always be fascinated by Jerry Springer.

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This game assumes I have patience. Mistake. BIG mistake.

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nice ending

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Americans, the most offended privileged people in the world, why Americans are such offended pussies(whoops! I may offend people, I mean liberated female parts of strong and intelligent women) of the universe, i'll never know.

Americans sure love that badass military from Call of Dudey gams. :P

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@NMC2008 said:

Americans, the most offended privileged people in the world, why Americans are such offended pussies(whoops! I may offend people, I mean liberated female parts of strong and intelligent women) of the universe, i'll never know.

Sir, I find your comments quite offensive to my sensitive American sensibilities, and request that you at least include the words "badass military" somewhere in your post to make me feel better.

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@ArbitraryWater said:

What does this article have to say about forums that hasn't already been shown... by actual forums? I'm just not sure what the meta-meta layer of it being a game about a forum has to offer about society other than what we already know. The Giant Bomb forums are a better commentary on society simply because the idiocy is real instead of manufactured and encouraged.

Pretty much this.

Now on to the more important bit:

@DaveC524

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Why use the word "whore" Patrick? Phh... misogynistic male privilege. 

... a bunch of people taking the "whore" complaint troll seriously, later...
 
@patrickklepek said:

I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

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trolled hard

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@patrickklepek said:

I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

Also tsk tsk Patrick what about Artistic Integrity!?
Man Bioware really set a bad precedent.
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@Lokishot
Not really appropriate in this particular case, since several people have seen the originator of the "whore" comment for a pretty obvious light hearted trolling it was. As well as the success of the troll not only being determined by the replies taking it seriously but also an actual eventual caving in of the OP and changing of content.

Cheer up mate :)
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@Example1013 said:

trolling is a art

WHY IS THIS PLAYING AUTOMATICALLY?!?!?

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@TyCobb said:

@Kixxi said:

@DaveC524 said:

Why use the word "whore" Patrick? Phh... misogynistic male privilege.

Really inappropriate for a front page headline, at least to anyone not knowing what the article is about. Felt insulting.

I agree "whore" is a horrible word and should never be used. There are much better words like "slut", "bitch", "twat", and every woman's favorite, "cunt".

Hilarious! Not at all creepy, weird and hateful.

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@martyarf said:

@TyCobb said:

@Kixxi said:

@DaveC524 said:

Why use the word "whore" Patrick? Phh... misogynistic male privilege.

Really inappropriate for a front page headline, at least to anyone not knowing what the article is about. Felt insulting.

I agree "whore" is a horrible word and should never be used. There are much better words like "slut", "bitch", "twat", and every woman's favorite, "cunt".

Hilarious! Not at all creepy, weird and hateful.

  
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@jNerd said:

That was a good read Tricky. I liked your conclusion a lot. I think internet civility will come with time & education.

I want to agree with this, but we always have the influx of young people into the system. A lot of kids troll hard, and it's only when they grow up a little that they understand that that behavior is unacceptable.

Then again, some people never grow up, and will troll forever because they are amused by manipulating people.

One thing Something Awful does right is it's banning. Yes you can buy back in, but how many people are going to spend that cash over and over again. They are brutal, but it keeps an honesty there that other forums lack.

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Emo Kid, Troll, Hacker, and ________ in all of us.

- Cards Against Humanity

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@Tennmuerti said:

@martyarf said:

@TyCobb said:

@Kixxi said:

@DaveC524 said:

Why use the word "whore" Patrick? Phh... misogynistic male privilege.

Really inappropriate for a front page headline, at least to anyone not knowing what the article is about. Felt insulting.

I agree "whore" is a horrible word and should never be used. There are much better words like "slut", "bitch", "twat", and every woman's favorite, "cunt".

Hilarious! Not at all creepy, weird and hateful.

Woah! WOAAAH! WOAAAAH!!!

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@FreakAche said:

@Example1013 said:

trolling is a art

WHY IS THIS PLAYING AUTOMATICALLY?!?!?

I am a god, ofc

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@martyarf said:

@Lokishot said:

People are insulted by the word "whore"? Are you new to the internet or just a home schooled kid?

Or maybe you're a woman who doesn't like to see gendered insults in a totally inappropriate context?

Right, because the use of the word "whore" (especially considering the context of the article, and that it's in conjunction to form the word camwhore) is obviously directed at all women, everywhere.

Just like if I call someone a "dick", all men everywhere may feel offended because I'm OBVIOUSLY talking about them.

Grow up.

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@Shaanyboi said:

@martyarf said:

@Lokishot said:

People are insulted by the word "whore"? Are you new to the internet or just a home schooled kid?

Or maybe you're a woman who doesn't like to see gendered insults in a totally inappropriate context?

Right, because the use of the word "whore" (especially considering the context of the article, and that it's in conjunction to form the word camwhore) is obviously directed at all women, everywhere.

Just like if I call someone a "dick", all men everywhere may feel offended because I'm OBVIOUSLY talking about them.

Grow up.

yes because whore and dick have the same connotations.

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@TyCobb said:

@Kixxi said:

@DaveC524 said:

Why use the word "whore" Patrick? Phh... misogynistic male privilege.

Really inappropriate for a front page headline, at least to anyone not knowing what the article is about. Felt insulting.

I agree "whore" is a horrible word and should never be used. There are much better words like "slut", "bitch", "twat", and every woman's favorite, "cunt".

Well, if we take George Orwell's essay on "Politics and The English" Language" to heart we should always prefer the simpler, Anglo-Saxon words over more complex foreign words. So yes, instead of "vagina" a writer should always use "cunt", instead of "prostitute" use "whore", etc. Seminal words always have more color and punch.

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Why is the troll music playing?

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@Animasta said:

@Shaanyboi said:

@martyarf said:

@Lokishot said:

People are insulted by the word "whore"? Are you new to the internet or just a home schooled kid?

Or maybe you're a woman who doesn't like to see gendered insults in a totally inappropriate context?

Right, because the use of the word "whore" (especially considering the context of the article, and that it's in conjunction to form the word camwhore) is obviously directed at all women, everywhere.

Just like if I call someone a "dick", all men everywhere may feel offended because I'm OBVIOUSLY talking about them.

Grow up.

yes because whore and dick have the same connotations.

Well they're both "gendered insults". No, actually not really. Whore can apply to both a male AND female, so there goes Martyarf's argument.

And again, we're not even talking about the word "whore". It's not like Patrick's title was "Yo! This one person is a real whore!" No, the word was 'camwhore', which is a word with its OWN connotations (as opposed to someone who is either sexually premiscuous, or is a prostitute), and its own context considering that he's talking about the game Forumwarz where that is the name of a "character class".

If you're getting all upset about something that CLEARLY has its own context, then you need to rethink your priorities. Hell, let's get all upset about the word 'Emo Kid' which demeans all the sad, whiny teenagers out there while we're at it?

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@big_jon said:

Why is the troll music playing?

Because someone in the comments section decided to have a YouTube video set to auto-play (which isn't cool). It's not a problem anymore.

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@patrickklepek said:

I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

Why? What a genuinely pathetic thing to do.

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@ZombiePie said:

@big_jon said:

Why is the troll music playing?

Because someone in the comments section decided to have a YouTube video set to auto-play (which isn't cool). It's not a problem anymore.

He did it for the luls.