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The Kid Who Created Team Fortress 2's Controversial Anti-Free-to-Play Mod

Asher Baker created the mod getting headlines, but he's not even against free-to-play.

Moving Team Fortress 2 free-to-play follows Valve enabling other F2P games on Steam.
Moving Team Fortress 2 free-to-play follows Valve enabling other F2P games on Steam.

When Valve turned Team Fortress 2 into a free-to-play experience, it opened the floodgates. It's not like Team Fortress 2 hasn't been ridiculously cheap in the past--once, it was just a few dollars on Steam--but the difference between any amount of money and free is a big one.

The people who have been playing Team Fortress 2 since its launch in 2007, however, are a dedicated bunch. You don't play a game for this many years without forming expectations about the people you play with.

As such, not everyone responded to the decision with open arms.

Asher Baker, known in the Steam community for his various Valve-related plugins and workarounds, created "Free2BeKicked (Anti-F2P)," a plugin that detects whether a player has a Team Fortress 2 premium account. Getting bumped to premium after downloading the game for free is simple; you only have to purchase an item from the in-game store. If you don't have one, you're kicked out.

It's worth remembering this is happening exclusively on private servers, not on Valve's, and anyone who purchased Team Fortress 2 in the past automatically became a premium member when the switch was pulled.

Baker and others in the community got the sense Team Fortress 2 was heading towards free-to-play before Valve ever announced it, as some backend changes rolled out. As this happened, then followed by the official announcement, there was chatter about a plugin to kick free-to-play users. Baker was first asked by a friend in the Team Fortress 2 trading community.

To provide a better sense of the mindset, Baker provided me with a transcript of an IRC dialogue between himself and "dvander," the founder of Alliedmodders, where Baker's plugin is hosted.

<dvander> personally i put it in the same category as banning high ping people which i hate
<dvander> but valve has created a problem
<dvander> a community needs a barrier to entry and it needs a way to heal itself if there is a misbehaving member
<dvander> if there is no barrier to entry - and no recourse against those people - it could be bad
<dvander> but its too early to tell
<asherkin> there are also a large number of tf2 servers aimed specifically at trading, the non-premium players can't start trades and therefore just end up in these servers taking up a slot and begging for items
<asherkin> (it's a trade server owner that originally asked me for the plugin)
<asherkin> and yeah, I also dislike high ping kickers, that silly cross-game vac ban detector, and even this one
<asherkin> but I figured it was better to do it myself properly before someone released something that did something silly like parse their backpack page to see how many slots they had etc.

Between some public requests for a plugin and other private conversations, Baker relented.

"Basically it just boils down to there being a demand for it," explained Baker over email recently, "yet there being very few developers who had the necessary background knowledge to do it without 'hacks.' I was in a unique position due to my work on Open Steamworks."

Team Fortress 2 quickly overtook Counter-Strike as the most popular game on Steam.
Team Fortress 2 quickly overtook Counter-Strike as the most popular game on Steam.

Open Steamworks, as Baker puts it, is "a series of scrounged, leaked and reverse engineered headers that allow the usage of the client-side portions of Valve's Steamworks API [application programming interface]." It allows people like Baker to create things that are not necessarily kosher.

According to Source Mod (and Baker), there are 16 servers running his mod. He can't be sure, since the ability to query servers running on Linux for their rulesets is broken at the moment, and from what he can tell, the majority of Team Fortress 2 servers are hosted on Linux machines.

To get a sense of how the community is hashing this out, read this rather contentious thread. Hostilities are definitely abound.

I've contacted Valve about whether the company's okay with Baker's mod, but haven't heard back. Baker expects it's not, though less because of what the plugin does, more that it's possible.

"I would doubt Valve are okay with [this] method," he said.

To explain how Baker's plugin works would get unnecessarily technical, but when asked whether Valve would have an easy way to get rid of it, Baker launched into a lengthy breakdown of how the plugin detects free-to-play users. In summary, it comes down to the way Steam authenticates.

"While Valve may wish to prevent the plugin from operating," he said, "it would only end up with a large amount of work and worse methods being used to the same effect. As long as there is demand a version of the plugin will exist, although probably not written by myself."

It wouldn't be surprising if Team Fortress 2 moving free-to-play is a signal for future Valve products.
It wouldn't be surprising if Team Fortress 2 moving free-to-play is a signal for future Valve products.

And while you might expect that Baker is one of the many outraged at the influx of newcomers to the Team Fortress 2 userbase, it's not true. Baker's loyalty, as he puts it, "is to the server operators."

"I anticipated a negative response from the general player base and a positive response from the server operators," he said. "I hadn't anticipated it to be this strong either way, even including receiving death threats. [...] I don't really have a personal opinion about TF2 going free to play, it's brought in lots of new players, but I'm not sure it's worth the long-term cost. I think that once the droves of inexperienced players dies down, we're going to be left with a (slow) steady stream of new players (good), but primarily just cheaters and people evading server bans."

It's understandable there's issues within the community, as Team Fortress 2 was not free-to-play on day one. Were Valve to release a game with a free-to-play model on day one, the fervor would be less.

DOTA 2, anyone?

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@Styl3s:  
Hats, store, farming and new weapons are completely optional. Do you UNDERSTAND that? How can TF2 suddenly turn into garbage if its essentially the same game if you ignore the things you just listed.
 
Seems to me like you are living in some sort of weird denial. You don't hate new content, but you do.  
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The people who started playing Team Fortress when it went free to play are just a bunch of little kids and teenagers who have no access to a credit card and can't buy stuff on line.

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@Ygg: Oh please, don't stop now, I love the way you think you're correct and blindly follow a dogma of saying everyone is wrong, then not debating with them because they can out-argue your sorry ass. People like you never look at the big picture, and without that type of insight, nothing ever gets done. And actually, my first post was had nothing to do with 'what ifs' so your statement is totally invalid. 
 
Just a great job outlining online gaming for me there. Obviously, your wit knows no limits. Such a clever response. I am now more enlightened than I have ever been. Seeing as you're not very good at this, I'll just tell you that all that was sarcasm. See, other people can patronize too. Great how you deal with the topic at hand...just saying: "you're wrong...because I said so!" in more words.
 
Also, the 'sweeping statements'? Welcome to academia, where everything and anything is, at best, a broad stroke. Try as you might, you haven't added anything to this debate. You've simply stated useless information that you think is purely correct, and you just can't argue with it. People can have opinions, they're allowed, but when you don't bother backing your own with anything bar 'I'm done here', you've got nothing. So I will continue, but thank you for the waste of time that was this debate, I needed an easy writing exercise today :D
 
Next please :D
Wow you're trying amazingly hard to come across as intelligent and well-reasoned, and failing utterly...so good job there, I guess. Maybe be a little less childish and stand-offish if you're going to take the holier-than-thou route to Internet fighting? Just a friendly suggestion.

I've been playing since the beginning, and I (like the absolute vast majority of TF2 players I have seen) welcome the Influx of new players free to play has brought in, and not just due to my 10:1 KDRs as a Spy. I personally have gone out of my way to instruct players (including writing a Spy Guide) and giving unlocks out whenever I get drops.

I think this mod being used to discriminate is fairly disgusting (barring the trading server example, which makes sense), but server owners have every right to do what they want with their own servers; at least, until Valve sets a rule regarding this.

The amount of servers this will impact will be minimal, because the vast amount of server owners just want someone - anyone - to play there and justify their outlay of cash, which is generally only done in the first place because they love the game and want to foster a community that shares that.

This is pretty much a giant non-issue in the grand scheme of things, and there are far worse things in gaming to be stressing about than this so-called elitism.

Good article, Patrick, keep it up.
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The kid? Really that's...not a very professional way to describe somebody.

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The people sending death threats to this poor guy need to take a look at their life, and their choices.

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@Crushed: Holy shitcrackers...you actually did it again. Its amazing! You missed my point...again....I...wow....again, I joked about how this is being portrayed, by the very guys who support  it, as some sort of civil rights situation. FFS at least read the article. I never even hinted at the community ruining itself. Christ, learn to read and understand basic points man! It isn't that hard!  
 
But dya know what? It isn't going to matter. You want to glance over the article's points, which are the ones I'm debating here, then grand, that's your business, but please, please don't try to paint me as someone who is overreacting. I see this as something disgusting, something that should never have taken place or even been mentioned, but it has been. People are talking about it, people are equally as disgusted by such an issue. Are they all rife with mental issues too?
 
What I am doing is called arguing the point. It's what adults do when they debate. This is why I come to forums, sometimes for the craic, other times, just because. If anyone is making a bigger issue out of what I'm saying, it is, in fact, you. Nothing I have said thus far has insinuated that this situation is to be taken seriously, the silliness factor it presents actually speaks for itself. The people who lack the ability to come up with valid points surrounding this topic deserve to be verbally beaten down. 
 
Again, down here, in bold: this forum is about the news-related post we were all reading. The opinions formed here about it are valid, because they are based around this topic. You want to enlighten the world about the TF2 community? Then make a thread about it, otherwise, I can say whatever I please, in whatever manner I wish, because it is my opinion, which I formed, stated and am now backing up. This is what people do when they have...well spines, and beliefs. Sorry you feel like I'm the one who is overreacting, but if anything, you really are making a bigger deal out of what is basically me, in a persona, making fun of a silly situation that people openly defend. Why don't you go ahead and talk to the people who like the idea? Or the holier than thou types who started this crap? Why not tell them that this is pointless and not a big deal? 
 
Seriously dude, relax, I have a sense of humour, so don't go getting all concerned for my mental health, it's sweet and all, if not a little creepy, I'm perfectly fine, but in future, you might want to take whatever reaction you take away from reading a post with a grain of salt. I'm taking this from a logical point-of-view, about how silly this whole situation is, that it was even an issue that came up in the first place. Stop trying so hard to defend the game, and the generally good community it has, they didn't do anything wrong, and everyone knows that. You on the other hand, seem to be jumping in pretty hard to defend people that aren't being attacked...which is also really, really funny :D I'm more for advancing our medium, and keeping silly people away from headlines, but they make it there, and we might, might have to deal with backlash. If it happens, it happens, and I called it and am awesome, if not, well then the world is a nice, happy place, where people can live in harmony, until something else that is more shitty than this happens...and again, I called it!
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@Joru said:
As for the mod, it doesn't really matter - new players definitely don't want to be playing with the kind of people who would use this stuff for their server.
Definitely this.
 
To be honest, this shouldn't even be a news story. There's nothing controversial here, and this is no different than the server plugin that changed the model of the Cheater's Lament years ago.
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@Dookysharpgun said:

@Crushed: I like how you actually didn't read anything I wrote, because I never said every TF2 player hates games, but then again, I'm not surprised, you didn't even try to get my attention via the 'reply' or 'quote' functions. And you went straight to joining in with individuals who never attempt to make relevant points of their own. My point is this, just in case you missed it: It doesn't matter if every other server for TF2 loves the F2P community. That isn't the fucking issue here. What is the issue, is that this kind of action, taken by so few, can have repercussions, especially if it is over something as stupid as a server that trades in-game items for money...now if anyone may agree with this, just take a look at that article one more time, and see how silly that is. People are actually putting time and effort into making mods for servers, so that new people can't play...if these people are so conservative, they could at least use the facilities that are in the game already. It is unethical, and these guys are shining a bad light on TF2 players, and gamers in general. Also, lets put forward a little scenario. Johnny Douchebag just got TF2 on F2P and bought something else that gave him a premium account, while Kyle Mcsoundguy just got a F2P copy of TF2. By the logic of these backwards ass servers, Johnny Douchebag, who knows nothing about the game, is welcome, while Kyle Mcsoundguy isn't allowed in on them, because he didn't spend, at minimum, a fiver. So for all the huffing and puffing, for all the controversy this brewed, this mod didn't save the server any more trouble than it would have otherwise. So really, was all this hassle necessary, over a few in-game hats, and the fact that a bunch of pricks don't like new people in their community? Isn't that the reason they put passwords on the servers? Really, if you're not going to contribute to the topic at hand, and maybe give a halfway valid opinion, then please, don't step up to the plate and ridicule someone for making points, then defending them. And I don't see these peace and love TF2 players commenting on this, just the people who say "well, there are thousands of other servers for TF2, its not an issue". That isn't contributing at all. This thread isn't about that issue. If these embracing individuals want to make themselves heard, they could just condemn these guys openly, instead of saying its a "non-issue". I'd also like to point out, people really need to learn the difference between overreacting, and having a strong opinion. They are two separate entities. There is never an excuse for trying to avoid an issue, like there is no excuse for these players to put in such a bigoted ideal behind a fucking videogame. That, is the issue I am talking about.

Holy shit dude, nobody is using this mod and the TF2 community is embracing F2P. The entirety of this issue is games sites bringing it up like it's a huge thing. It's not even a huge controversy in the TF2 community. This is nothing. There will be no repercussions for this. Also it really wouldn't take much time or effort to make a plugin like this, it's pretty easy stuff that probably took the guy a couple minutes.

Also trading servers aren't "trading items for money," it's a way for people to get items they want by getting rid of ones they don't, while not wasting time during a game by stopping to trade. They have a function, and you're acting like the community has now ruined itself forever because now a free-to-play user won't be able to join them or passworded clan servers.

This isn't the goddamned Civil Rights Movement, you are overreacting. Seriously, I think you might have mental issues with how upset you're getting over something that will affect maybe a handful of people ever in a free video game.

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@mabans said:
Isn't discrimination cute?
It's like a puppy...a really savage puppy, that will try to kill you when your back is turned, or while you sleep, even if you treat it like a king.
 
I also agree with your following post, people tend to get on moral high-horses on the internet, just thinking that because they can, they can. Really, its quite sad that such a nice gesture by Valve has been met with such venom by individuals who just can't understand what a videogame is anymore. People just seem to think they're superman when they run a server, or are good at a game. There's nothing wrong with having a positive attitude towards your skills, but if a person isn't good at a game, the good gamers will always attempt to help them. I've known a few players that have helped me when I played SSFIV, just starting out, and being awful at it. A few tricks later, and I could hold my own for a bit at least. There isn't any excuse for treating people this way, least of all after the community has expanded in such a manner, like you said, that can extend the game's life. It saddens me, and makes me ashamed to be a gamer, when I hear news like this.
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I'd like a 'no-pay' filter that kicks anyone who bought a trinket from the store. I'm fairly tired of the hordes of doof-hat wearing imbeciles who want to trade and flaunt their crap instead of play the damned game. It ain't supposed to be like second life. 
 
Also, I actually paid money for the game as part of the Orange box, so calling me 'free to play' because I avoid the store smacks of arrogant STUPIDITY. 
 
Still there's nothing a gaming community likes better than an opportunity to tear itself apart in a vain attempt to create  nice pigeon holes for everybody. They need an exclusive elite branch to reward, a common riff raff branch to ignore, and a disliked pariah branch to punish or they just can't be happy. 
 
It's stupid and sad.

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@sixghost said:

@BlazeHedgehog said:

Didn't Valve immediately say they had a system in place to make sure cheating wouldn't be a problem?

Well surely they couldn't possible be promising something they can't deliver.

Earlier precedents being...?
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@Crushed: I like how you actually didn't read anything I wrote, because I never said every TF2 player hates games, but then again, I'm not surprised, you didn't even try to get my attention via the 'reply' or 'quote' functions. And you went straight to joining in with individuals who never attempt to make relevant points of their own. My point is this, just in case you missed it: It doesn't matter if every other server for TF2 loves the F2P community. That isn't the fucking issue here. What is the issue, is that this kind of action, taken by so few, can have repercussions, especially if it is over something as stupid as a server that trades in-game items for money...now if anyone may agree with this, just take a look at that article one more time, and see how silly that is. People are actually putting time and effort into making mods for servers, so that new people can't play...if these people are so conservative, they could at least use the facilities that are in the game already. It is unethical, and these guys are shining a bad light on TF2 players, and gamers in general.
 
Also, lets put forward a little scenario. Johnny Douchebag just got TF2 on F2P and bought something else that gave him a premium account, while Kyle Mcsoundguy just got a F2P copy of TF2. By the logic of these backwards ass servers, Johnny Douchebag, who knows nothing about the game, is welcome, while Kyle Mcsoundguy isn't allowed in on them, because he didn't spend, at minimum, a fiver. So for all the huffing and puffing, for all the controversy this brewed, this mod didn't save the server any more trouble than it would have otherwise. So really, was all this hassle necessary, over a few in-game hats, and the fact that a bunch of pricks don't like new people in their community? Isn't that the reason they put passwords on the servers? Really, if you're not going to contribute to the topic at hand, and maybe give a halfway valid opinion, then please, don't step up to the plate and ridicule someone for making points, then defending them. 
 
And I don't see these peace and love TF2 players commenting on this, just the people who say "well, there are thousands of other servers for TF2, its not an issue".  That isn't contributing at all. This thread isn't about that issue. If these embracing individuals want to make themselves heard, they could just condemn these guys openly, instead of saying its a "non-issue". 
 
I'd also like to point out, people really need to learn the difference between overreacting, and having a strong opinion. They are two separate entities. There is never an excuse for trying to avoid an issue, like there is no excuse for these players to put in such a bigoted ideal behind a fucking videogame. That, is the issue I am talking about.
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I don't like playing with free to play people really to be honest.

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@mabans: I agree, though I feel bad when all it makes me feel is that 'those' people should be murdered... without lame people though the world becomes a very lonely place, and if we're talking pie in the sky requests here then I'd rather ask that everyone in the world be shown everyone else's shoes when they meet them, so they understand EXACTLY where that person is coming from, because there's always a reason for anyone's actions. Even when it's a poor excuse it's still comforting to know why someone came out of no where and started killing you at your spawn for hours forcing you to cut your gaming night short or switch games.
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@BlazeHedgehog said:

Didn't Valve immediately say they had a system in place to make sure cheating wouldn't be a problem?

Well surely they couldn't possible be promising something they can't deliver.

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thumbs up for this

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Didn't Valve immediately say they had a system in place to make sure cheating wouldn't be a problem?

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@Lazyaza: How exactly? Because one group of people had to pay and because it was so successful they are able to give to everyone away for free? Imagine the assholes who are against this.. I"m almost certain they tons of times touting the superiority of TF2. Here is  a chance for the community to grow, to convince others of this "superiority" at no risk and people develop bullshit like this? It's elitism, and just plain discrimination. So now I can't play on your server because you bought your game before me? This stuff isn't new. 
 
I tried to get into DOTA and posted some obvious scrub stuff and was eviscerated for it. Calling me all kinds of names, telling me not to even bother because the game is too complex for my simple mind.. 
 
Soon after that I reignited my love affair with fighting games with SF4, and went to Shoryuken.com, a site I knew of for years, and when I tried to setup matches I was just ridiculed. So bad that even a Mod gave me a warning on my account for asking such "stupid questions". It was so bad that the owner put out word that people caught doing this would be banned, and mods abusing power were being closely looked at.  
 
No one ever says "Ooh this taste so good, fuck off and buy one if you want to know." We share as humans but with the internet allowing this anonymousness, it lets people be as racist, sexist, elitist, and as prejudice as they want to be because, who really knows Deathcaller1777 is Terry from accounting. The community has exploded and we can see updates for this game for another 5 YEARS EASY!  There is NO justification for banning someone who got the game for free and using the HACKER excuse is just as dumb, according to gamers, as gaming companies putting DRM on PC games. Even that last sentence just a broad brush. 
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Isn't discrimination cute?

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Honestly I think their should be some kinda filtering for the free2play players, if only to keep them from getting killed repeatedly and quitting.  I bought the game originally as part of the orange box and played a bit, then took some time off it for a while.  When I tired to play it again later, with all the new stuff including many one hit kill weapons, I died instantly and figured I should just give up on it since I didn't feel like grinding away to try and catch up.  Spare those free2play kids for a while until they can compete.

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The game might be free but the servers the game runs on are not.

Sure valve has a couple of official dedicated servers but the huge majority of TF2 servers are run by private people or big communities renting servers. And because they pay for these servers they can decide who they want to let play and who don't.

It's similiar to householder's rights and i'm confused that so many people are suprised about this. This has been a pretty normal thing to do in multiplayer FPS gaming. Heck there are servermods out there that will auto-kick you when you are connecting from the wrong country... You rent a server you can play god on that server, easy as that and more often then not one of the biggest reasons to actually rent a server.

People can do whatever they want with their servers, run low gravity mods or all kinds of other bullshit. But imho they should allways properly tag their server as one with custom rules/maps/mods to prevent people from wasting their time.

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@MordeaniisChaos said:

It's ridiculous. I've played against a LOT of F2P players, and none of the hacked, exploited or were even dicks. In fact, since then, I met a couple kick ass guys because my server wasn't kicking them. The community surrounding TF2 is AWFUL, or was before the F2P folks came in. It was nothing but whining and bitching and half of them only cared about hats and trading and idling.

I can however see the need for F2P kick for maybe very competitive servers where a high level of play is expected, but half of those are password protected clan servers, or will be such an awful experience for the new players that they just leave immediately.

People as such brats. If there is a reason to kick the F2P guy that is hacking, it's that he's hacking, NOT that he MIGHT be the 1% that does hack. Yes, they have every right to do what they will with the servers they own, but that doesn't make them pompous pricks any less. I cheered as soon as I heard about new blood in the community, which was starting to become stale. Not to mention the TF2 Forums are pretty much the Bungie forums only with slightly fewer troll posts. Hard to complain when suddenly there is a massive wealth of people to play with.

@Styl3s: Enjoying a game and defending it, especially one with clearly as much staying power, as well as critical and consumer power, is hardly being a fanboy. Just because you think the new content ruined the game doesn't mean it's true. Try playing the game before this big update (it's still a bit broken as often happens with updates this big), and then play the game as it existed-actually, play the 360 version. Tell me how that can objectively be considered a better game.

Makes it true to me, do you not understand the concept of opinion? hats/stat based items ruined the game, as in ruined it for me, why do you insist on bringing up the 360 version? because it's pre-bullshit? i play my multi-player shooters on the PC not console.

If you can't accept that i dislike the stat based items and hats then you can simply not reply to me, if you love it then hey.. more power to you but i think the game is complete and utter garbage now, this isn't the team fortress i loved.

@Ygg said:

@Styl3s said:

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Get rid of the stupid hats and stat based weapons and i will re-install TF2, till then that game is dead to me, valve ruined it.

Nobody cares. Everyone else is having fun playing with the new weapons and map(s).

Apparently you care enough to reply.

And LOL @ all the fanboy replies, to the kid who says go play COD, i don't play COD.

Sorry i don't love your precious valve game.

The less free content hating pricks playing the game, the better.

Cool story bro.

I don't hate free content, i bought the game when it launched and loved it till they ruined it with hats and stat based items, before opening your mouth you should learn about someone because i never once hated on it being free, i hated on how they changed the game. Sorry that i have my own opinion and don't love your precious valve game so back in your basement.

They haven't changed the game. It plays the same you just have more options with playstyles due to the new weapons. In 90% of cases the default weapons are actually superior. Hats are just cosmetic so I don't see why you really care. I went back to it recently after also being put off by all the new weapons because I thought it'd mess things up, but nope it hasn't. It's the same TF2, most of the weapons have a lot of downsides that makes them not really worth using at all. It's no big deal and the game hasn't become horribly imbalanced or anything. The only thing I seriously dislike is the Demoman being able to charge using a melee weapon, that might get nerfed soon though so fingers crossed. Still it's not game breaking and not that many people use it, just a minor annoyance that feels a little out of place.

The hats/store, farming and stat based weapons ruined it for me, is it THAT hard to understand? did i say it broke the game? made people overpowered? I don't like it, nothing anyone says will change my mind it's my opinion and what i don't understand is why people care what I think about it, i think it's garbage now, if you don't then that's your opinion and i respect it, it would be like adding hats, store and stat based weapons in CS, it ruins the game for me. I love the ORIGINAL tf2 and TFC mod for HL, not this crap.

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I have been playing a fair amount of TF2 since I picked it up in April '08. I adore TF2. It is certainly my favourite multiplayer game. If a rush of new players wish to come in and keep the game popular, go right ahead. For me, personally, it means I can feel like I am better than I actually am at TF2 when I am on a server full of new F2P players. This whole elitist attitude toward new players is stupid. New players = keeps TF2 alive.

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@Crushed said: 

You play on some bad servers. I have not seen a single "elitist" P2P at all since the update came out.

People are getting a very inaccurate picture of the TF2 community if they think this sort of thing is representative.

Well, I have on almost every single server I've played on since the game became free. I'm not saying all P2P guys are like this, hell, not even saying the majority are, but I certainly haven't been able to avoid them. Bad luck? Maybe, but like I said them combined with the stupidity of a lot of the F2P crew has definitely brought the game down. 
 
I just miss the days of pre-item TF2.
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What a brilliant scheme.

You make a game free to play, getting all sorts of people to try it out.

And then your player base puts a paywall up between them and all the servers. All the money goes to you.

Maybe next the player base will put a paywall up between these guys and maps? Why not make them have to pay to use guns?

You're not to blame, you made the game free to play! It's those rascally players!

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Holy fucking meltdown, Dooky. Overreaction over a non-issue. The TF2 community embraces F2P players, so all this screaming about how every PC gamer now hates games because someone made a server plugin is insane.

Seriously, what in god's name are you talking about?

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Great article as usual Patrick. I love it when you guys report a story and then actually dig deeper into it to find out motives and implications.

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@Ygg: Oh please, don't stop now, I love the way you think you're correct and blindly follow a dogma of saying everyone is wrong, then not debating with them because they can out-argue your sorry ass. People like you never look at the big picture, and without that type of insight, nothing ever gets done. And actually, my first post was had nothing to do with 'what ifs' so your statement is totally invalid. 
 
Just a great job outlining online gaming for me there. Obviously, your wit knows no limits. Such a clever response. I am now more enlightened than I have ever been. Seeing as you're not very good at this, I'll just tell you that all that was sarcasm. See, other people can patronize too. Great how you deal with the topic at hand...just saying: "you're wrong...because I said so!" in more words.
 
Also, the 'sweeping statements'? Welcome to academia, where everything and anything is, at best, a broad stroke. Try as you might, you haven't added anything to this debate. You've simply stated useless information that you think is purely correct, and you just can't argue with it. People can have opinions, they're allowed, but when you don't bother backing your own with anything bar 'I'm done here', you've got nothing. So I will continue, but thank you for the waste of time that was this debate, I needed an easy writing exercise today :D
 
Next please :D
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@Ygg: And you, my good man, are an individual with a serious lack of foresight. What happens if/when this starts spreading to other servers? When people feel that they too, are entitled to play with whoever they deem as acceptable? Server owners are allowed to enforce rules, that is their power, but I've come across absolute pricks, and there are really no other words for them, who wield that power like a compensatory dick, banning people for just speaking their mind, or for pointing out that certain rules are BS, which they have every right to do, as long as they don't break them. However, those are in-game rules. You cannot, under any circumstances, kick a person because they don't have a premium account, that was a choice directly effected by the devs. They get last call. Server owners on the other hand, do not. That is bullshit, of the highest order, and reflects badly on our medium and community as a whole.   I'm sorry that you think you're in the right here, but you obviously couldn't give two shits about gaming in general if you supports this pathetic, childish excuse for elitist snobs to act out their power fantasies.  That whole password bit? What if I obtained a F2P copy of TF2, had a clan whom I joined, and they had this mod? Would I still get to play? No, no I wouldn't.    There is no overreaction here. I am simply pointing out that in our medium, even the smallest group causing hassle can fuck things up for the rest of us. Or maybe you're so busy cleaning out the spacious area up your own ass, where your head usually resides,  that you've never noticed that fact before.   How about we get these sections of our community to grow up, and accept the fact that they are powerless, sad individuals, who need to enact their fantasies through a game, because they just fail at life in general, get them help, and then we can all go back to playing games the way they were meant to be played.   Also...trade servers? Seriously? For hats and the like? And you're telling me to grow up? Get over yourself. At least people give enough of a fuck to understand that these people are outright forgetting that this is, in fact,. a videogame, and shouldn't have these issues associated with them.   If you don't give a shit about gaming in general, you're part of the problem, and not worth the time or effort people put into debating with you. This is a matter of ethics, which these people lack, and the threat of this mod spreading, out of either elitist ideals, or simple spite. This is not how games were meant to be played. They are outlets for people to have fun. Take them too seriously, and it reflects badly on all of us. I can see why people might want this mod, but I strongly disagree with them. No reason is good enough to create something like this.

I'm really not interested in continuing this with you. You keep making points that are based on what if's. I don't give a shit what theoretically could happen, the Internet is a big place and TF2 has a lot of players so yes there's a lot of variables and your experience will vary.
 
and I never said I supported it. I merely said I understand why some servers would want to use it. I've said several times some people will use it because they dislike new players. But that's not a free to play related thing, people tend to dislike 'n00bs' this is not new. Welcome to online gaming.
 
Stop getting your panties in a bunch. I'm done here and I suggest you stop too, you're not really adding anything constructive. Just making sweeping statements.
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@Demoskinos said:
Spend .99 cents in the store and bada-bing your upgraded.

Actually, you have to pay 5 bucks. There is a 5 dollar minimum in your wallet.
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@Ygg: And you, my good man, are an individual with a serious lack of foresight. What happens if/when this starts spreading to other servers? When people feel that they too, are entitled to play with whoever they deem as acceptable? Server owners are allowed to enforce rules, that is their power, but I've come across absolute pricks, and there are really no other words for them, who wield that power like a compensatory dick, banning people for just speaking their mind, or for pointing out that certain rules are BS, which they have every right to do, as long as they don't break them. However, those are in-game rules. You cannot, under any circumstances, kick a person because they don't have a premium account, that was a choice directly effected by the devs. They get last call. Server owners on the other hand, do not. That is bullshit, of the highest order, and reflects badly on our medium and community as a whole.
 
I'm sorry that you think you're in the right here, but you obviously couldn't give two shits about gaming in general if you supports this pathetic, childish excuse for elitist snobs to act out their power fantasies. 
That whole password bit? What if I obtained a F2P copy of TF2, had a clan whom I joined, and they had this mod? Would I still get to play? No, no I wouldn't. 
 
There is no overreaction here. I am simply pointing out that in our medium, even the smallest group causing hassle can fuck things up for the rest of us. Or maybe you're so busy cleaning out the spacious area up your own ass, where your head usually resides,  that you've never noticed that fact before.
 
How about we get these sections of our community to grow up, and accept the fact that they are powerless, sad individuals, who need to enact their fantasies through a game, because they just fail at life in general, get them help, and then we can all go back to playing games the way they were meant to be played.
 
Also...trade servers? Seriously? For hats and the like? And you're telling me to grow up? Get over yourself. At least people give enough of a fuck to understand that these people are outright forgetting that this is, in fact,. a videogame, and shouldn't have these issues associated with them. 
 
If you don't give a shit about gaming in general, you're part of the problem, and not worth the time or effort people put into debating with you. This is a matter of ethics, which these people lack, and the threat of this mod spreading, out of either elitist ideals, or simple spite. This is not how games were meant to be played. They are outlets for people to have fun. Take them too seriously, and it reflects badly on all of us. I can see why people might want this mod, but I strongly disagree with them. No reason is good enough to create something like this.
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@sofacitysweetheart said:

@Ygg: Your average Halo player isn't banning "n00bs" from their game because they believe their "clan" is too "l33t" and "h@><0rz" for everyone else. This is why there is such a thing as in-game matchmaking. PC games: still considerably behind consoles :P

Plenty of PC games have lobbies where you can jump in with friends to automatically find games. Left 4 Dead is one of the best examples.
 
and matchmaking isn't superior. It's just easier to get a game going with friends. Servers provide a better community than matchmaking ever can as if you play on the same set of servers (Multiplay TF2 servers) for example you might play against the same bunch of people often and develop ties to them. You can't really do this on console as you can only have 6-8 players in a matchmaking lobby and as for people on the other team they often quit after a game or two so really you're only reliably playing with the same few people.
 
Matchmaking has its place but so do server lists. I think it's sad that consoles have ditched server lists, there's no reason why consoles and PC can't both have full matchmaking features while retaining the ability to find your own servers.
 
Oh and server lists let you choose game mode, the amount of players, the latency and what map you play. Matchmaking randomises these things, sure, random is fine but sometimes you just want to play your favourite map and mode. I always play on the same 3-4 maps on TF2 and only really enjoy two game modes so I stick to servers that rotate around those modes and maps. It works great.
 
and if you think the average TF2 player is banning "n00bs" from their servers then I don't think I really want to continue having a conversation with you...that's so ignorant and ridiculous.
 
I mean for one, the average TF2 player isn't even running their own server. Lol.
 
I'm gonna leave it at this now because if I respond to everybody that will come in and make some anti-PC gamer/gaming comment I'll be here all night. 
 
Bottom line is: Assholes exist that dislike new players F2P or otherwise, this mod will be used by some elitists but so what? If they own the server it's up to them who plays. It is not representative of the TF2 community nor will this even be remotely widespread. TF2 has tons of servers, if you somehow find one that runs this mod then you can just choose one of the many other hundred. Simple. Now stop whining and go and enjoy this fantastic game. There's nothing quite like it.
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I understand part of wanting to prevent The Neverending September - tons of noobs coming in simply because it's free.  Parts of the Internet got really crappy when anyone could get in, not just those in CS programs at major universities.  On the other hand, hating these players JUST BECAUSE it's free is kinda dumb.  Maybe they aren't getting it free because they were too cheap to get it when it came out.  Maybe they just heard about Steam and Valve now.  After all, every day there are new people getting to video gaming age and discovering that which we all take for granted.

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@Ygg: Your average Halo player isn't banning "n00bs" from their game because they believe their "clan" is too "l33t" and "h@><0rz" for everyone else. This is why there is such a thing as in-game matchmaking

PC games: still considerably behind consoles :P
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@Dookysharpgun said:

And this is why console gaming, and host MP, will continue to spread. Thank you, you bunch of elitist pricks, for taking a videogame far too seriously, like it is actually the only extension of your life worth having. Way to represent our medium, in the most childish and dickish way possible. Just a real nice job segregating people from playing a game of their choosing, not that you could be nice to these people, show them the ropes of a game you love, and try to coach them along the way. That would just be so very humane of you. No, treating them like filth and acting like bigoted fucks over a videogame, is such a great way to handle it. Truly, this is another landmark in the equality struggle...oh wait....its fucking not! Its just a group of dickheads, too up their own asses to accept anyone new into their fold.   Is it ever a wonder why games and gamers are demonized nowadays? These pricks aren't helping.   And just before  hear anything about hackers and the like, I just have this quick message: AWWWWW boo-fucking-hoo! Not like every other game in existence has that issue, oh lord no, its just all about you ignorant fucks. My heart bleeds for you, really, this is the biggest issue in the gaming world, or in the world at large today. Its not like our medium is stagnating, we're being blindsided by ignorant shits from the outside, and now, after all that crap, we almost prove them right, when some stupid, underline childish, pricks who think that their rites are so much more important than everyone else having fun, decide that they don't want to play with people who got a 4 year old game for free. Seriously, fuck these guys, screw their insane beliefs that they can do whatever they want, as far as I and any gamer worth their weight in honour, love of the medium and dignity are concerned, these people should be shunned from our community. We don't need a group of insufferable losers with nothing more to their lives than running one game constantly, dragging this into public view, and having all gamers look like miserable, elitist pricks, further damaging our reputation. People complain about CoD players who never play any other game, acting like tools...and now we figure out that maybe, just maybe, it isn't limited to just them. Grow up you irrational little turds, there's far more to life than TF2.   There are no justifiable reasons for this, no matter what argument one could take. This is purely a stupid, arrogant and childish reaction, that serves no benefit to the rest of the game's community. This is simply a group of spoiled brats, who want everything their way, all the damn time.  Anyway I stopped playing TF2, wasn't my cup of tea, as the concept of 'Team' is something that people don't seem to understand. This event just solidifies that fact. This actually makes me sick. I'm ashamed and embarrassed for everyone who loves games right now.

and this is an example of somebody overreacting due to the existence of a mod that hardly any servers seem to be actually using.
 
The only servers that might use this are tight knit community servers and clan servers. (which are probably passworded anyway)  TF2 has absolutely loads of servers available, even more now that Valve has added some of their own.
 
Untangle your panties and grow up.
 
I have nothing against F2P players and 97% of TF2 players don't seem to either. Instead of looking for a reason to hate just accept that you are always going to find people that are assholes to new players, F2P or paid.
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@sofacitysweetheart said:
Wait, PC gamers are being anti-social, awkward and generally weird on the Internet? I am shocked.
Oh yeah because the average Halo player is such a well rounded individual.  
 
Stupid generalisation. You will find assholes and weirdos on any system and it is not limited to the Internet. You're just exposed to more of them because of it.
 
@Altersparck said:
PC elitism knows no bounds. 
 It's not elitism. When you pay for the servers you can call the shots. As I said before for people that have a limited amount of time to play they might want a certain TF2 experience that doesn't involve watching people go the wrong way or seeing 5 medics heal one person.
 
Big deal. I don't play in servers that have F2P players blocked from joining (to my knowledge) but I understand why some people would want to use the mod.
 
@kyrieee said:
A mod like this is definitely needed. Getting banned from a server for cheating / being a dick means nothing when you can just create as many free accounts as you wish.

and here is another reason.
 
People complaining this mod is just elitism are idiots. Sure elitism will come into it for some people, but others just want to play the game with people that already know what they are doing.
 
I should also add that I fully understand that some people that bought the game are also terrible and in many cases could be far worse than somebody who has played the game for a few hours but actually has a brain and idea of teamwork.
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And this is why console gaming, and host MP, will continue to spread. Thank you, you bunch of elitist pricks, for taking a videogame far too seriously, like it is actually the only extension of your life worth having. Way to represent our medium, in the most childish and dickish way possible. Just a real nice job segregating people from playing a game of their choosing, not that you could be nice to these people, show them the ropes of a game you love, and try to coach them along the way. That would just be so very humane of you. No, treating them like filth and acting like bigoted fucks over a videogame, is such a great way to handle it. Truly, this is another landmark in the equality struggle...oh wait....its fucking not! Its just a group of dickheads, too up their own asses to accept anyone new into their fold.
 
Is it ever a wonder why games and gamers are demonized nowadays? These pricks aren't helping.
 
And just before  hear anything about hackers and the like, I just have this quick message: AWWWWW boo-fucking-hoo! Not like every other game in existence has that issue, oh lord no, its just all about you ignorant fucks. My heart bleeds for you, really, this is the biggest issue in the gaming world, or in the world at large today. Its not like our medium is stagnating, we're being blindsided by ignorant shits from the outside, and now, after all that crap, we almost prove them right, when some stupid, underline childish, pricks who think that their rites are so much more important than everyone else having fun, decide that they don't want to play with people who got a 4 year old game for free. Seriously, fuck these guys, screw their insane beliefs that they can do whatever they want, as far as I and any gamer worth their weight in honour, love of the medium and dignity are concerned, these people should be shunned from our community. We don't need a group of insufferable losers with nothing more to their lives than running one game constantly, dragging this into public view, and having all gamers look like miserable, elitist pricks, further damaging our reputation. People complain about CoD players who never play any other game, acting like tools...and now we figure out that maybe, just maybe, it isn't limited to just them. Grow up you irrational little turds, there's far more to life than TF2.
 
There are no justifiable reasons for this, no matter what argument one could take. This is purely a stupid, arrogant and childish reaction, that serves no benefit to the rest of the game's community. This is simply a group of spoiled brats, who want everything their way, all the damn time.
 
Anyway I stopped playing TF2, wasn't my cup of tea, as the concept of 'Team' is something that people don't seem to understand. This event just solidifies that fact. This actually makes me sick. I'm ashamed and embarrassed for everyone who loves games right now.

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As crazy as I think this whole thing is. I think if you make a server you should be able to have whomever you want on it.

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PC elitism knows no bounds.

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A mod like this is definitely needed. Getting banned from a server for cheating / being a dick means nothing when you can just create as many free accounts as you wish.

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If they made this F2P on XBOX that would be great! Orange Box version is pretty out dated...

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@Tumbler: I too am glad you no longer play TF2. :)
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I can take gaming somewhat serious, but really? When it comes to this, it's just a game. Losers.

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It's a kinda dickish, but at the end of the day people renting servers can do what they want. Some dude can have his own server, password it and only let his friends in. Can I get all butthurt about being excluded? Sure, but I can also just go to one of the many other servers that will accept me.

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umm.... I played tf2 online with people i don't know before it went free to play..... most of THOSE people are terrible. I wish I had a dime for every time i saw a tf2 spray of falice.

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<asherkin> there are also a large number of tf2 servers aimed specifically at trading, the non-premium players can't start trades and therefore just end up in these servers taking up a slot and begging for items

<asherkin> (it's a trade server owner that originally asked me for the plugin)

So this is really just about hats? New players won't have any and you just don't want them slowing or affecting your access to your hats...good god I am so glad I don't play this game anymore.

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Wait, PC gamers are being anti-social, awkward and generally weird on the Internet?
 
I am shocked.

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There are heaps of servers so this mod will hardly affect free users anyway.

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It's ridiculous. I've played against a LOT of F2P players, and none of the hacked, exploited or were even dicks. In fact, since then, I met a couple kick ass guys because my server wasn't kicking them. The community surrounding TF2 is AWFUL, or was before the F2P folks came in. It was nothing but whining and bitching and half of them only cared about hats and trading and idling.

I can however see the need for F2P kick for maybe very competitive servers where a high level of play is expected, but half of those are password protected clan servers, or will be such an awful experience for the new players that they just leave immediately.

People as such brats. If there is a reason to kick the F2P guy that is hacking, it's that he's hacking, NOT that he MIGHT be the 1% that does hack. Yes, they have every right to do what they will with the servers they own, but that doesn't make them pompous pricks any less. I cheered as soon as I heard about new blood in the community, which was starting to become stale. Not to mention the TF2 Forums are pretty much the Bungie forums only with slightly fewer troll posts. Hard to complain when suddenly there is a massive wealth of people to play with.

@Styl3s: Enjoying a game and defending it, especially one with clearly as much staying power, as well as critical and consumer power, is hardly being a fanboy. Just because you think the new content ruined the game doesn't mean it's true. Try playing the game before this big update (it's still a bit broken as often happens with updates this big), and then play the game as it existed-actually, play the 360 version. Tell me how that can objectively be considered a better game.

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@theguy said:

I think if you run a server you should be able to kick whoever you want, its your server.

Exxxaaaccctttllllyyyy.