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UFC Fighter Sells His "Soul" to Appear in UFC Game

Jon Fitch balks over signing away likeness rights to UFC for THQ game, gets fired, agrees to sign contract, gets rehired.

I wonder if this lady had to sign away her likeness rights, too...
I wonder if this lady had to sign away her likeness rights, too...
It's probably been a whirlwind of a day for Ultimate Fighting Championship fighter Jon Fitch. In less than 24 hours he's been booted out of the UFC and reinstated, all because of a deal involving THQ's upcoming game, UFC Undisputed 2009.

It sounds like the core of the Undisputed dispute was the contract for likeness rights, which would entail Fitch signing away those rights to the UFC in a lifetime deal for use in THQ's game. The earlier reports on this have quotes from Fitch about how he wanted to negotiate a shorter-term deal. The response from UFC, apparently, was to boot Fitch and other fighters from the American Kickboxing Academy team that he represents out of UFC. According to MMAjunkie, here's a classy quote from the president of UFC, Dana White on the subject.

"We're looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I'm just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it's not even funny," White said from Honolulu, where he flew Wednesday from Toronto to hold a news conference to announce the B.J. Penn-Georges St. Pierre fight for UFC 94 on Jan. 31 in Las Vegas.

"Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren't partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them."

Nice.

In a later quote in the story, White went on to say "I'm not a douche bag." Sorry, dude. If you have to come out and claim that you're not a douche bag, you're most definitely a douche bag.

Today, MMARated, another MMA-focused blog, posted updates on the situation, including a video interview with Fitch where he claims he has signed the deal and that the whole thing was about respect and Fitch not liking the way White was coming at him over all this, and that the terms of the contract were never a big deal. Considering there are already quotes out there where Fitch questions the need for a lifetime deal, this seems... uh... untrue?
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I wonder if this lady had to sign away her likeness rights, too...
I wonder if this lady had to sign away her likeness rights, too...
It's probably been a whirlwind of a day for Ultimate Fighting Championship fighter Jon Fitch. In less than 24 hours he's been booted out of the UFC and reinstated, all because of a deal involving THQ's upcoming game, UFC Undisputed 2009.

It sounds like the core of the Undisputed dispute was the contract for likeness rights, which would entail Fitch signing away those rights to the UFC in a lifetime deal for use in THQ's game. The earlier reports on this have quotes from Fitch about how he wanted to negotiate a shorter-term deal. The response from UFC, apparently, was to boot Fitch and other fighters from the American Kickboxing Academy team that he represents out of UFC. According to MMAjunkie, here's a classy quote from the president of UFC, Dana White on the subject.

"We're looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I'm just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it's not even funny," White said from Honolulu, where he flew Wednesday from Toronto to hold a news conference to announce the B.J. Penn-Georges St. Pierre fight for UFC 94 on Jan. 31 in Las Vegas.

"Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren't partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them."

Nice.

In a later quote in the story, White went on to say "I'm not a douche bag." Sorry, dude. If you have to come out and claim that you're not a douche bag, you're most definitely a douche bag.

Today, MMARated, another MMA-focused blog, posted updates on the situation, including a video interview with Fitch where he claims he has signed the deal and that the whole thing was about respect and Fitch not liking the way White was coming at him over all this, and that the terms of the contract were never a big deal. Considering there are already quotes out there where Fitch questions the need for a lifetime deal, this seems... uh... untrue?
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lulz Jeff called someone a douche bag. Rock on!

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Yep, he's a douchebag.

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What a bunch of shits. A lifetime deal? Really?

I mean I guess most of the UFC fighters are there because they really just can't do anything else (Kimbo Slice, anybody? No- he can't even fight.) It just seems like a huge douchebag move to do that over someone mildly intelligent pointing out something unreasonable.

Someone needs to kick Dana White in the face.

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A Douchebag like most anyone with a "Tapout" shirt.

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I never understood the appeal behind UFC television in the first place. Why would I want to watch guys in tight short shorts hug each other and roll around in the ground while trying to beat the shit out of each other. Quality TV right there. I guess it would maybe be better in game form. But really if I wanted to see some dude get the crap kicked out of them, I'll go watch a Jason Statham movie, I don't care if it's not realistic, it's way more entertaining. Besides, all of the people in these fighting leagues are like mini Alis, IE they all think their the most badass thing to ever walk the planet, only with Ali it was pretty much. With these so called "people"... not so much.

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thanks for reminding me the B.J. Penn-Georges St. Pierre fight for UFC 94 on Jan. 31, IM SO WATCHING THAT!!!!!

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lol @ walkingcarpet

Your whole post is a nice job at stereotyping fighters. Clearly you know what you're talking about.

Yes Dana White is an asshole, but luckily Lorenzo Fertitta was there to diffuse the overreaction. Dana seriously mishandled the situation, but his issues were about the overall management of AKA rather than just some video game contract agreement. Let's stop with this stereotypical bullshit about MMA when some of you apparently have no clue about the sport's legitimacy.

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MasterSplinter said:
"lol @ walkingcarpet

Your whole post is a nice job at stereotyping fighters. Clearly you know what you're talking about.

Yes Dana White is an asshole, but luckily Lorenzo Fertitta was there to diffuse the overreaction. Dana seriously mishandled the situation, but his issues were about the overall management of AKA rather than just some video game contract agreement. Let's stop with this stereotypical bullshit about MMA when some of you apparently have no clue about the sport's legitimacy."
Let's stop trying to convince people that pay-per-view fighting leagues are legitimate.
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I wasn't aware sports were illegitimate. Sorry, Jayge.

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walkingcarpet said:
"I never understood the appeal behind UFC television in the first place. Why would I want to watch guys in tight short shorts hug each other and roll around in the ground while trying to beat the shit out of each other. Quality TV right there. I guess it would maybe be better in game form. But really if I wanted to see some dude get the crap kicked out of them, I'll go watch a Jason Statham movie, I don't care if it's not realistic, it's way more entertaining. Besides, all of the people in these fighting leagues are like mini Alis, IE they all think their the most badass thing to ever walk the planet, only with Ali it was pretty much. With these so called "people"... not so much."
Yeah, God forbid something stir your latent homosexual feelings. Just keep repressing dude, they won't come out until you've hit your mid life crisis.
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Jayge said:
"MasterSplinter said:
"lol @ walkingcarpet

Your whole post is a nice job at stereotyping fighters. Clearly you know what you're talking about.

Yes Dana White is an asshole, but luckily Lorenzo Fertitta was there to diffuse the overreaction. Dana seriously mishandled the situation, but his issues were about the overall management of AKA rather than just some video game contract agreement. Let's stop with this stereotypical bullshit about MMA when some of you apparently have no clue about the sport's legitimacy."
Let's stop trying to convince people that pay-per-view fighting leagues are legitimate."
You know, call me naive, but I actually believe that UFC is for the most part legit.
Mainly cause they're under so much scrutiny due to either being compared to the predetermined nature of pro wrestling and the rigged fights which have destroyed the legitimacy of boxing. They wouldn't dare risking being caught. At least not during these formative years of the sports popularity.
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Lorenzo saves the day!!!

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I looked at the title of this post and thought, since when does Dana White have a soul?

BA-DUM-TISSSSH!

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At first the whole Mr. Bad Attitude was cute, but now it's ridiculous. Mr. White go back to the douche bag hole you came out of. You're pathetic.

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Hahaha

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Why do the Fertitas let Dana represent their company again?

He goes on a tirade over Jon Fitch not signing a lifetime rights contract for a video game and decides to release not only him, but 3 of his teammates from American Kickboxing Academy from their UFC contracts. That's 3 elite fighters (Fitch, Josh Koschek and Shane Carwin) and 1 good fighter in a weak division (Christian Wellisch) released because Fitch and Wellisch wouldn't sign an unreasonable contract for, essentially, a promotional vehicle. Not only that, but Dana claims the UFC will never do business with AKA (a premier MMA training gym) again. Good thing for him Lorenzo and Frank are there to smooth things over, but wow. Someone needs to fire Dana already.
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"A Douchebag like most anyone with a "Tapout" shirt."


I can't even count the times I've ran into people that wear Tapout and don't even know shit about the sport that it represents, and while we're on the subject, does the sport of mma really need guys like this representing it?
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these people really are idiots.

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Harsher than WWE when it comes to contracts.........

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whatever dude, this game looks kick ass. it looked realistic and thats rare in fighting games. 

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Fuck Dana White, He`s always being a bitch. He should give Fedor a contract he wants and let him fight, and stop being a dick to other fighter like Jon fitch.

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To Jayge:
"What a bunch of s****. A lifetime deal? Really?

I mean I guess most of the UFC fighters are there because they really just can't do anything else (Kimbo Slice, anybody? No- he can't even fight.) It just seems like a huge douchebag move to do that over someone mildly intelligent pointing out something unreasonable.

Someone needs to kick Dana White in the face."

Talk about being stereotypical.  You obviously don't know what you are talking about.  First of all, yes, Kimbo Slice is an overhyped ratings-getter whose main purpose was to get people to watch EliteXC events.  However, he did not fight for, nor will he ever fight for, theUFC.  Wrong league buddy.   Second of all most of these fighters have done something, and have the education to do something career oriented with their lives other than MMA.  Most have had collegiate college wrestling experience, which, in fact means, that they went to college, and since there are no "professional" wrestling leagues most stayed in college and got their degrees.  Don't knock a sport unless you know about that sport, MMA is a legitimate sport with very intelligent fighters who have black belted in some form of Martial Art (whch also requires intelligence) and who train years to do what they are passionate about.  Let us not try and treat this more that what it is; an overreaction by White.  Those of us who watch MMA on a regular basis are not suprised by this.   It usually blows over when White calms down. 
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UFC, based in Classytown, USA.

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So many misinformed and uneducated comments to this story.  It's mindblowing.

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I'm surprised that people are surprised at all.

It's precisely because Dana White is such a classy guy that Fitch had to amend what he said. Never mind the fact that Lorenzo Fertita swung in to save the day--Dana White is still, for better or worse, the face of the UFC, and last I checked, it's the only game in town. (Or at least, it's the last promotion to fall under the weight of its own mismanagement.) There's not many other places Fitch can go to get paid what he's worth before said promotion folds.

With White's scorched-earth approach to doing business, it was under Fitch's best interests to back-peddle. He's not "under Lorenzo's" protection--White is still his boss.

The day before yesterday, he thought he was out of a job and could say whatever he wanted without repurcussions--and he had a lot to say considering how good he was and how the UFC treated him for it. Now that he's back though, he's obligated to put a company spin on things.

This is professional fight sport. Promoting has never been a clean business, especially when it comes to the monopoly of all (MMA) promoters.

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leftie68 said:
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To Jayge:
"What a bunch of s****. A lifetime deal? Really?

I mean I guess most of the UFC fighters are there because they really just can't do anything else (Kimbo Slice, anybody? No- he can't even fight.) It just seems like a huge douchebag move to do that over someone mildly intelligent pointing out something unreasonable.

Someone needs to kick Dana White in the face."

Talk about being stereotypical.  You obviously don't know what you are talking about.  First of all, yes, Kimbo Slice is an overhyped ratings-getter whose main purpose was to get people to watch EliteXC events.  However, he did not fight for, nor will he ever fight for, theUFC.  Wrong league buddy.   Second of all most of these fighters have done something, and have the education to do something career oriented with their lives other than MMA.  Most have had collegiate college wrestling experience, which, in fact means, that they went to college, and since there are no "professional" wrestling leagues most stayed in college and got their degrees.  Don't knock a sport unless you know about that sport, MMA is a legitimate sport with very intelligent fighters who have black belted in some form of Martial Art (whch also requires intelligence) and who train years to do what they are passionate about.  Let us not try and treat this more that what it is; an overreaction by White.  Those of us who watch MMA on a regular basis are not suprised by this.   It usually blows over when White calms down. 
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yep they all have college degrees, and they all have black belts in some form of martial arts and 99% of the fights end up with both men on the ground arms around each other trying to flail around hitting the other...ect I've not seen a stand up fist fight on UFC except maybe twice the rest of the time its just a down drag fight get the guy to the ground and if you have a chance punch him ANY ONE Can do that thats the essence of fighting your black belts make no difference in a fight like that.   None of that shit is legitimate simple as that sports like baseball and such are actually legitimate to a point cause theres a plan, theres a game, its followed done and over, UFC is supposed to be Ultimate fighting yet its the same drunken bar fight you can see on most any saturday 2 or more men rolling around trying to hit each other.


P.S: like i lost all respect for hulk hogan when he started his reality tv show, any respect i had for UFC went out the window when they had their own on spike tv reality tv shows=desperation.
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yep they all have college degrees, and they all have black belts in some form of martial arts and 99% of the fights end up with both men on the ground arms around each other trying to flail around hitting the other...ect I've not seen a stand up fist fight on UFC except maybe twice the rest of the time its just a down drag fight get the guy to the ground and if you have a chance punch him ANY ONE Can do that thats the essence of fighting your black belts make no difference in a fight like that.   None of that shit is legitimate simple as that sports like baseball and such are actually legitimate to a point cause theres a plan, theres a game, its followed done and over, UFC is supposed to be Ultimate fighting yet its the same drunken bar fight you can see on most any saturday 2 or more men rolling around trying to hit each other.


P.S: like i lost all respect for hulk hogan when he started his reality tv show, any respect i had for UFC went out the window when they had their own on spike tv reality tv shows=desperation."
This reminds me of this retard I overheard while watching a MMA fight

"WTF DUDE! THEY ARE HUMPING! You know what I would do, I would just stand up. Why doesn't he just stand up and punch him in the face."
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Most fights end up on the ground anyway. It's just  from what I've seen *coming from a seasoned high school bout spectator* the two people fighting don't know how to fight on the ground, so they stand right back up and go at it again. If one of them does though, then why would he let the other guy stand up? lol. Makes sense to me. If you want to see two dudes stand up and fight there's boxing. Whether boxing is fixed or not, eh whatever believe what you want, but the dudes DO punch each other and that's what you want to see right?

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Very nice.

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1- The UFC game will suck because THQ is making it. I love MMA and video games, but there is no way in hell I'll buy this game. It's just WWE with a UFC skin.

2- Dana White's role in day to day  UFC operations will be reduced.
3- Jon Fitch is a beast.
4- If you don't understand ground fighting, you will understand it after you get tapped.
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Another reason to hate UFC.

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@ikari47
: "the UFC, and last I checked, it's the only game in town. (Or at least, it's the last promotion to fall under the weight of its own mismanagement.) There's not many other places Fitch can go to get paid what he's worth before said promotion folds."

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Elite XC was a joke.  and it was horribly managed by gary shaw.  they deserved to go belly up promoting a joke like "kimbo slice" (real name kevin ferguson).  Some youtube brawler w/ as much martial arts experience as a 13 year old karate student w/ a green belt.

Affliction however made a profit on it's first show & has a lot of money behind it.  They arent wasting money either.  They have some of the best fighters in the world & plan their shows right.  Their shows are spaced out longer while their getting their name out.  That's the same way the UFC started, only Affliction has the advantage of MMA being mainstream now.  Affliction also has it's own reality show "Fighting Fedor" starting next year which will give it the same boost that the UFC got when it launched it's own reality show.

There's also STRIKEFORCE which has been managed well & has been making a profit every show.  Their stable is decent as well.
Cage Rage is also big in the UK & europe.  M-1 is big in russia.  Japan has DREAM to replace PRIDE now.  There's also K-1, WVR, Sengoku, Shooto

The UFC is most deinitely not the only game in town.  And most other organizations pay better.  The only real advantage to being in the UFC is mainstream coverage which helps fighters get name recognition so they can charge more when they eventually start a gym.  That's the end game im MMA.

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@ WilliamRLBaker : "yep they all have college degrees, and they all have black belts in some form of martial arts and 99% of the fights end up with both men on the ground arms around each other trying to flail around hitting the other...ect I've not seen a stand up fist fight on UFC except maybe twice the rest of the time its just a down drag fight get the guy to the ground and if you have a chance punch him ANY ONE Can do that thats the essence of fighting your black belts make no difference in a fight like that.   None of that shit is legitimate simple as that sports like baseball and such are actually legitimate to a point cause theres a plan, theres a game, its followed done and over, UFC is supposed to be Ultimate fighting yet its the same drunken bar fight you can see on most any saturday 2 or more men rolling around trying to hit each other."

You obviously havent followed or bothered to learn anything about MMA, let alone seen much of it then. 

MMA is mainly a mix of 3 things.  Striking (which can range from traditional karate like Lyoto Machida & Bas Rutten to boxing like Marcus Davis to Muay-Thai to Sambo to Tae Kwon Do to Savat even some Kung-Fu)  All of which have strengths and weaknesses.  How well each figther knows them determines if they make good or bad decisions to gain the upper hand.  Just like chess. 

Then there's Wrestling (greco-roman like randy coutoure, brock lesnar, matt hughes & sean sherk.  Or Catch Wrestling like Josh Barnett, which was the first real submission grappling in the U.S. & used a lot of the same locks from Jui Jitsu). 

Then there's the ground game which varies greatly (Ground & pound, Transitions, Rolling, , Chokes, & Locks or twisting submissions / BJJ). 

All of these things are tools.  And how well a fighter can use them and how well versed they are with the ones their opponent has and how well they can recognize & react to them is a VERY complex game.  There are rules for fighter's safety; but besides those it's entirely up to a figher's ability to adapt & overcome.   MMA has existed as a LEGIT sport since the FIRST OLYMPICS it was called Pankration, look it up.  It's one of the worlds oldest sports & also one of the hardest mentally & physically.  Educate yourself before you make assumptions.


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To WilliamRLBaker:
  If I use your ignorant view of MMA and apply it to baseball, I could also make the lousy assumption that baseball is a non-strategic game with a bunch of guys sitting in a dugout for half the game chewing tabacco until they get the a chance to swing at a white ball.  Then if the people out in the field catch enough of these white balls they switch sides.  You don't understand the rules or the strategy of MMA so you assume their are none.  When they are on the ground "rolling around" like you said, they are using a form of Martial Arts called Jujitsu.  Believe me there is a strategy and if two guys in a bar are doing it in your home town, then you have a very interesting town.  Technology did a good job of summing it up.  Learn something before typing some ignorant opinions on message boards.

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WilliamRLBaker said:
yep they all have college degrees, and they all have black belts in some form of martial arts and 99% of the fights end up with both men on the ground arms around each other trying to flail around hitting the other...ect I've not seen a stand up fist fight on UFC except maybe twice the rest of the time its just a down drag fight get the guy to the ground and if you have a chance punch him ANY ONE Can do that thats the essence of fighting your black belts make no difference in a fight like that.   None of that shit is legitimate simple as that sports like baseball and such are actually legitimate to a point cause theres a plan, theres a game, its followed done and over, UFC is supposed to be Ultimate fighting yet its the same drunken bar fight you can see on most any saturday 2 or more men rolling around trying to hit each other.


P.S: like i lost all respect for hulk hogan when he started his reality tv show, any respect i had for UFC went out the window when they had their own on spike tv reality tv shows=desperation."
Yeah, Demian Maia's black belt means nothing. He sure does suck, every time he fights it ends up going to the ground! Although I think there was this guy called...Royce? Like, as in Rolls Royce? He did some Ultimate Challenge thing way back when and tried to prove that superior grappling skill could overcome enormous size and striking skill differences....I dunno what happened to him, he probably lost. Lol, grappling is teh ghey cuz it haz no planz.
The reality show, whatever opinion you have of it, saved MMA in the United States and brought the UFC to the mainstream.
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As a completely self-aware douche bag I can attest that he is indeed a douche bag. Thank god I don't care the slightest bit about this UFC crap.

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Technology:

Elite XC was a joke.  and it was horribly managed by gary shaw.  they deserved to go belly up promoting a joke like "kimbo slice" (real name kevin ferguson).  Some youtube brawler w/ as much martial arts experience as a 13 year old karate student w/ a green belt.

Affliction however made a profit on it's first show & has a lot of money behind it.  They arent wasting money either.  They have some of the best fighters in the world & plan their shows right.  Their shows are spaced out longer while their getting their name out.  That's the same way the UFC started, only Affliction has the advantage of MMA being mainstream now.  Affliction also has it's own reality show "Fighting Fedor" starting next year which will give it the same boost that the UFC got when it launched it's own reality show.

There's also STRIKEFORCE which has been managed well & has been making a profit every show.  Their stable is decent as well.
Cage Rage is also big in the UK & europe.  M-1 is big in russia.  Japan has DREAM to replace PRIDE now.  There's also K-1, WVR, Sengoku, Shooto

The UFC is most deinitely not the only game in town.  And most other organizations pay better.  The only real advantage to being in the UFC is mainstream coverage which helps fighters get name recognition so they can charge more when they eventually start a gym.  That's the end game im MMA.


MMA here in Japan is not in a good way. There's a lot of political infighting at the moment such that Japanese MMA will most likely never be as big as it was during the 2003 boom in this country, nor will it reach out abroad to make any impact beyond hardcore fans such as yourself who seek it out. Further, they all don't pay fighters as much most Westerners are used to thinking.

Shooto is by far the oldest organization in all of MMA, but there's a reason why they're relatively unheard of to mainstream MMA fans: they have never wanted to expand abroad, and to this day, continue to keep the organization close to home. Further, even within Japan, no one really knows what Shooto is unless they have a relative or friend fighting in it. Sport fighting to Japanese people is basically "K-1," if it's not boxing. Also, Shooto pay is miniscule--their fighters, on average, get less than the bottom of the barrel 3K-3K contract that many get when entering into the UFC.

Most of the bigger promotions in Japan, like Shooto, are content not to expand abroad. Sengoku and Dream love to import non-Japanese fighters, but they still won't pursue shows outside of Japan because a) they wouldn't know how to (esp. with UFC's growing world monopoly), and b) they wouldn't be interested in the first place. For the meantime, they're busy fighting over who controls what turf here in Japan. With Master Kazuyoshi Ishii now out of prison and his well-publicized hate for the former DSE staff, the prospect of him absorbing Dream back into the K-1 fold altogether is high, especially since they've been doing so horribly in terms of TV ratings.

As far as pay is concerned, Dream has a bad habit of not paying their fighters either on-time, or their full amount. Nick Diaz, Todd Moore, and Jimmy Ambriz are the latest (publicly known) victims of this, but even during the Pride era (since the people running Dream are basically the same DSE staff), fighters like Josh Barnett and Frank Trigg never got paid for fighting and commentating, which is why they're fighting for Sengoku.

Speaking of which, with Sengoku's main sponsor (thrift store chain Don Quixote) pulling out after their Jan. 4 show, they will most likely fold next year. They already lost Naoya Kinoshita and the backing of the Kinoshita Group, so losing Don Quixote will be the final straw unless they can get another big-name sponsor before or shortly after Jan. 4.

That really only leaves one "big show" in Affliction, and with how their management has shown their ability to promote shows and cancel them when they only sell 700 tickets, I sincerely doubt they'll be around for much longer. Affliction isn't doing anything different than WFA, the IFL, or Pro-Elite have done before them. As soon as they can prove they can pull mainstream fans into watching fighters like Fedor Emelianenko, then I'll start to believe they can last. Until then, this is a UFC world where people (outside of Japan) only care about the UFC and nothing else.

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Is dana for real ?? That jackass is causing problems all over , first it was arlowsky, then cotoure now fitch and the AKA, dude is punch drunk on power. I saw boot his ass and give Captain America the Management Control he would definately do a much better job than Dana "Dude Cussing is passe" White

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DANA WHITE IS THE MAN!

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o....k....

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If Cliffy B were writing this he would of written Douche Nozzle instead of Douche Bag.

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@ikari47

: First of all, DREAM, K-1, WVR, etc.. not hosting shows inside the U.S. does not mean it's not getting coverage in the U.S.  DREAM was one of the top rated HD shows when it aired.  & now HDNet is showing K-1 starting w/ the 2008 Grand Prix Finals on Dec. 6.

You also are ignoring STRIKEFORCE which has now absorbed whatever good fighters EXC had; as well as other fighters from japan and open contract fighters from affliction like babalu.

The fact that the MMA market is growing only makes the pie bigger.

Affliction is not making the same mistakes as EXC or the IFL.  If they were they wouldn't have postponed the 2nd show.  As soon as they get the same free cable coverage the UFC has they'll be in the running.  Remember, before the first TUF the UFC was on the verge of shutting down.

Youre also fogetting WAMMA is gaining recognition and eventually people will be looking to it to see who's they want to see fight.  UFC has no control over which fighters make the list, & while they do have many great fighters they most certainly don't have all the best.

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I hate to say it, but you're one of the handful of hardcore fans that supports the sport outside of the UFC. Your enthusiasm is awesome, but I can very much guarantee you're not part of the mainstream fanbase that pays the UFC's bills. Case in point: if you know what WAMMA is, you're not a typical MMA fan--you're a hardcore fan. There's nothing wrong with that at all, but try and see if you can see things my way for a minute.

I agree that Strikeforce is indeed a great show, but it's still a local promotion that isn't looking to challenge the UFC (which has helped lead to their success). I agree that they pick up great talent as well, but most of them are otherwise unknown to the mainstream MMA audience. M-1 Global is an interesting travelling show, but they are hardly anywhere near being an international force (and you can't blame me for thinking this since, after all, Gary Millen is their president). Affliction as well is awesome insofar as they have serious talent with them, but their inability to sell out shows (resulting in them cancelling them) or to put their product on free TV simply to advertise their PPVs doesn't help their bottom line. It also doesn't help that they pay their fighters more than they can afford to (and it's a hole they dug themselves into--try asking Josh Barnett to take a paycut now). As a hardcore MMA fan, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned whether or not you think their shirts are outrageous and overpriced, as well.

Before the UFC lauched TUF, most of the UFC's current fanbase didn't know that they could have even liked MMA in the first place. But with the UFC's aggressive branding, it's not MMA that mainstream fans enjoy today, it's "UFC." It helped that people already had some idea what UFC was by then (ask any new fan and they'll tell you, "dawg, I was a fan since UFC 1!!!"). This eventually led to the notion that the UFC was the first and best MMA organization out there, thus the reason it was "ultimate," and why nothing else beyond it mattered. Everything else, to the mainstream, is and will forever be accessory.

Also, I think you'll have to take into account current economic realities. As most MMA pay-per-views range anywhere from $40 to $50, and with the UFC doing as much as two PPVs per month, there doesn't leave much room for a show like Affliction to schedule a show and make any money. Fans are going to have to start choosing what they watch, and invariably, the better known promotion will win out, leaving Affliction further and further in debt until they too file for bankruptcy.

As for Japanese MMA, that you even know of Dream, Sengoku, or Shooto is fantastic. However their inability to spread beyond Japan is still a hindrance to their popularity, despite coverage of their events by the MMA media. Hardcore fans like yourself will still continue to seek these shows out, and while that's great, it'll always be in the form of written reports or "extra-legal" videos on the internet. For people just discovering MMA through the UFC however, you'd be lucky if they put any effort into expanding their horizons beyond the UFC, since it takes a lot of effort to learn about, acquire, and keep up with fighters and organizations other than the UFC (or whatever small show is happening in their town).

I agree with you that the MMA pie will continue to grow, but slower now than before. I also still firmly believe that outisde of Japan, it's going to be a UFC dominated pie. The UFC is still the top promotion out there, and it will continue to be that way for better or worse.

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To first get it out of the way, Dana White is indeed a douche bag.

On the topic of MMA, I am really pulling for Affliction to do well. With the string of issues that UFC has been having, its good for fighters to have another major player to look to and I believe it will be great for the sport itself.  I've been a fan of MMA for a long time now but have only in the past few years discovered leagues outside of UFC and love watching things like K-1 whenever I get the chance.

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Dana White is cool and says what he thinks. You can like it or not, but you cant argue the fact, that he has taken the franchise to heights no one thought possibly 8 years ago. Jon Fitch better show some respect or Dana White will penetrate his skull with words from deep within the darkest places of us all.

DW FTW!

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Lassegp said:
"Dana White is cool and says what he thinks. You can like it or not, but you cant argue the fact, that he has taken the franchise to heights no one thought possibly 8 years ago. Jon Fitch better show some respect or Dana White will penetrate his skull with words from deep within the darkest places of us all. DW FTW!"
Cussing like a twelve year old and firing a talented athlete who more than earns his pay over a videogame is not "cool".  Respect is a two way street, and Dana has none.
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Here is a nice little interview with a ton of character model footage from the game.

Don't freak out it's just G-spot. :P
  


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TeflonBilly said:
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yep they all have college degrees, and they all have black belts in some form of martial arts and 99% of the fights end up with both men on the ground arms around each other trying to flail around hitting the other...ect I've not seen a stand up fist fight on UFC except maybe twice the rest of the time its just a down drag fight get the guy to the ground and if you have a chance punch him ANY ONE Can do that thats the essence of fighting your black belts make no difference in a fight like that.   None of that shit is legitimate simple as that sports like baseball and such are actually legitimate to a point cause theres a plan, theres a game, its followed done and over, UFC is supposed to be Ultimate fighting yet its the same drunken bar fight you can see on most any saturday 2 or more men rolling around trying to hit each other.


P.S: like i lost all respect for hulk hogan when he started his reality tv show, any respect i had for UFC went out the window when they had their own on spike tv reality tv shows=desperation."
This reminds me of this retard I overheard while watching a MMA fight"WTF DUDE! THEY ARE HUMPING! You know what I would do, I would just stand up. Why doesn't he just stand up and punch him in the face.""

Im sorry that you like to watch men humping in the ring then that you had to think that about the person that doesn't like it, Regardless of that UFC fighter sells his soul is the tag line? what UFC fighters are all ready whores/prostitutes they ruin their bodies for money, but thats the same in most sports.

@technology: It doesn't matter what words you use or logic you try to apply it still doesn't change the fact that 99% of all one on one fights in the world come down to two things.

1.Get your opponent to the ground.
2.Start flailing him.

UFC fights are no different if a fight doesn't end within the first minute it all most all ways descends into drop out on the ground grappling and fighting.

ITS HOW CAVE MEN DID IT! And we should be proud is still stands today.
P.S: and the only source of what your saying is the fact you like UFC not because what your saying is actual fact like how what i say is actually fact.