Something went wrong. Try again later

Giant Bomb News

240 Comments

Valve Joins EA, Sony, Others in Trying to Block Class Action Lawsuits

Unclear if changes will hold up to legal scrutiny, but Valve's joined the club.

No Caption Provided

Steam (and Valve) is joining Sony, Microsoft, Electronic Arts, and other companies hoping to block any and all class action lawsuits. When you boot up Steam this morning, you’ll have to agree to a new set of terms, and that includes agreeing to bring lawsuits against Valve in a a one-on-one capacity, not together.

Your other option? Not play your games, I guess.

“We considered this change very carefully,” said the company as part of a larger statement on the change featured on its website. “It’s clear to us that in some situations, class actions have real benefits to customers. In far too many cases however, class actions don’t provide any real benefit to users and instead impose unnecessary expense and delay, and are often designed to benefit the class action lawyers who craft and litigate these claims. Class actions like these do not benefit us or our communities. We think this new dispute resolution process is faster and better for you and Valve while avoiding unnecessary costs, and that it will therefore benefit the community as a whole.”

“Some situations” of a class action lawsuit benefiting consumers isn’t enough, apparently, and Valve is removing the tool entirely. Unlike companies like Sony, Valve isn’t offering an opt-out clause. Sony allowed consumers to continue having access to class action lawsuits by submitting a letter of intent, though that option disappeared 30 days after agreeing to the new terms. You have no such option with Steam, and must simply click okay and move on.

Valve is, however, offering to front the legal costs of its preferred option, arbitration or small claims court. The company will reimburse costs “under a certain amount” no matter the outcome, even if it goes against Valve, but it requires the arbitrator to determine the claim “is not frivolous or the costs unreasonable.”

It’s not clear these changes will ultimately be enforceable, however. They’ve never been challenged, but by introducing the idea that consumers cannot use class action lawsuits, how many will consider it an option?

“Time will tell on that one,” said Washington attorney Thomas Buscaglia to me last September, back when Sony instituted the same changes for PlayStation Network. “The US Federal Trade Commission and various state consumer protection agencies could have a problem with it. Also, some courts might not allow it to be enforced due to existing state court precedent."

Again, time will tell on this, but I’m bothered by the response by most players to just shrug at this move, as they have in the past. You should carefully scrutinize the reasons your rights are being limited, even it’s by a company who has traditionally been exceptionally consumer-friendly in the past, Valve. There may never be a point in your life where a class action lawsuit benefits you, you may be tired of getting emails about being part of class action lawsuits you didn’t realize were happening, you may not understand why you received a quarter-sized check in the mail related to a class action lawsuit from a few years ago whose email notification went in your spam folder, but you shouldn’t be okay giving up your rights. One day, you may wish that right was at your disposal, and suddenly it won’t be.

Make sure to read all of Valve's statement.

Patrick Klepek on Google+

240 Comments

Avatar image for slag
Slag

8308

Forum Posts

15965

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 45

Edited By Slag

@patrickklepek said:

Again, time will tell on this, but I’m bothered by the response by most players to just shrug at this move, as they have in the past. You should carefully scrutinize the reasons your rights are being limited, even it’s by a company who has traditionally been exceptionally consumer-friendly in the past, Valve. There may never be a point in your life where a class action lawsuit benefits you, you may be tired of getting emails about being part of class action lawsuits you didn’t realize were happening, you may not understand why you received a quarter-sized check in the mail related to a class action lawsuit from a few years ago whose email notification went in your spam folder, but you shouldn’t be okay giving up your rights. One day, you may wish that right was at your disposal, and suddenly it won’t be.

I agree with you Patrick, but I think Americans are numb to this treatment by now. Virtually every agreement you sign now has arbitration clauses and has for years now from Credit Cards to Gym memberships. Why would gamers react at all to this change by Valve when bigger aspects of their life have already been signed away?

And certainly the Class Action system is a broken way to do things for consumers and companies and that's the root of the problem.

Still personally I think it's unconstitutional to circumvent the courts system like this. But if nobody does anything about it , every company will eventually exploit this due to competitive reasons.

Avatar image for yukoasho
yukoasho

2247

Forum Posts

6076

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

Edited By yukoasho

@Darkstalker said:

@ONIKAGEI said:

Not sure i want to live in a world where companies can say, "hey, you cant hold us accountable for stuff" and have it enforced. I would hope that the shaky legal ground would bring this to a halt if challenged in reality, but if it didn't it's all a bit "Dystopian future" for me.

I didnt read the part where you weren't allow to action at valve at all. just the part where you couldn't do class action suits which almost all I have seen are lawyer cash grabs.

this "wah wah wah my rights" has got to stop. you still have the right for recourse you cant just intimidate some company into an out of court settlement because you all band together. If your complaint is legit it should hold up by itself.

I forgot who it was, but it was someone here at GB when EA first rolled the whole "class action" thing that mentioned that you're better off taking these companies to small claims court and getting your $5K or whatever since it's usually not worth a company's time. Class Action suits are of no import at all.

Avatar image for studnoth1n
studnoth1n

231

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By studnoth1n

@Nerolus: Bioware was never sued. Essentially an angry mob threatened to organize and file a class-action lawsuit, but it never transpired. And anyone who thinks that lawsuit would have held up in court is living in a dream world. It wouldn't have made it through the first trial. Bioware simply kowtowed to the masses at the possibility of losing customers (even that i'm not sure), which is completely another topic altogether.

Avatar image for groundbeef
groundbeef

117

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By groundbeef

One more thing, just wanted to say how dirty it is of Valve to sneak this in right after their summer sale. As if people are going to walk away in protest now that they've just sunk a bunch of money into the "service".

Avatar image for studnoth1n
studnoth1n

231

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By studnoth1n

@Darkstalker: That's the whole point of organizing joint lawsuits. by their very design, claims are vetted scrutinized over well before they officially become a class action lawsuit. Handling claims privately means the company can govern themselves with absolutely NO transparency.

again, class action lawsuits don't exist to make people rich, as groundbeef summed it up: they exist to deter companies from committing and repeating liable actions, such as leveraging the costs of paying off the few who are effected, opposed to actually fixing the problem.

Avatar image for groundbeef
groundbeef

117

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By groundbeef

@BiG_Weasel: Problem is that the legal system would come to a grinding halt if each victim filed an individual suit. How many people have bought stuff off of Steam? Even at a super conservative 1 million, imagine if Valve was liable for something that happens and every consumer/victim filed individual suits at the same time. The costs and time required of the court system would cripple any country, which is why the concept of "class actions" was introduced in the first place.

Avatar image for zaxex
Zaxex

629

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 17

Edited By Zaxex

Predictable, but it sucks nonetheless. I'm not about to stop using Steam because of it, but it's humbling to know I now have less rights as a consumer. I don't know the specifics, but I'm assuming this, ideally, (in their point of view) prevents or restricts them being sued by customers, whether or not their grievance is legitimate or not?

I wonder if that European law has come to pass, the one making it necessary to have the ability to return digital products. And more to the point, what Valve will do to facilitate it, should they do so. I probably wouldn't be far wrong in expecting it to be the least useful, and most profitable method that lies within the confines of said law.

Man, I'm cynical as hell, Valve aren't helping though.

Avatar image for joetom
joetom

203

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By joetom

I can't imagine a situation where I'd feel the need to sue a video game company.

Avatar image for studnoth1n
studnoth1n

231

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By studnoth1n

First and foremost companies are not your friends, nor do they have your best interest in mind, no matter how cool they seem. class action lawsuits, imperfect as they may be, are necessary to maintain important checks and balances within the market

also, to align oneself as a devote to a particular company is beyond foolish, and to suggest you don't need things like class action lawsuits is beyond comprehension. there may be more important issues in the world, but to abandon one's ability to think critically seems to be the underlying point of contention here.

Avatar image for groundbeef
groundbeef

117

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By groundbeef

@sephirm87 said:

As an aspiring lawyer in school who believes in consumer protection, class action lawsuits are real shitty, because they are (in the real world application) all about shitty lawyers manipulating people into getting involved with something, then the lawyer wins big (or doesn't, like Vegas) and then takes a HUGE chunk of the winnings because they "won big." Also, when you sign on to a class action lawsuit, you forfeit your ability to sue later for related situations. Just food for though.

Honestly, not sure how I feel about this, but if it really bugs the consumer enough, people will not buy their games, and they will drop this from their EULA faster than you can blink

The point of class action suits is not to reward the victims, but rather to punish the offender (usually a corporate entity) financially to such a degree that it will deter them from repeating the same liable actions again in pursuit of profit. In other words, the fine has to be much larger than any potential revenue gained, which would never happen in an individual lawsuit against a large corporation such as Valve, Sony, etc.

Avatar image for big_weasel
BiG_Weasel

566

Forum Posts

33

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 8

Edited By BiG_Weasel

The thing about it is, once a person (or their lawyer) wins a case against one of the publishers for an infringement, a legal precedent will be set, and all subsequent cases will be judged from that viewpoint. What this means, is that the first winning lawsuit gets a windfall, and sets up future lawsuits to reap that same windfall, instead of a lump-sum settlement being doled out for all who opt-in on the class action. This could actually spell bigger trouble for these publishers.

Avatar image for danda
Danda

76

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Danda

Everybody is kind of missing the big picture. Why this? Why now?

Well, two reasons, hidden in plain sight:

-The new EU-mandated obligation of reselling digital purchases. Now they need a separate European branch now so they can deal with this separately without going down globally.

-Windows 8, the so-called "catastrophe". Microsoft is trying to force Valve out of the game with the new OS, and if we can't play our games because of this war and any significant percentage of the huge playerbase would go against Valve, they could lose big time.

Avatar image for stingermk2
StingerMK2

398

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

Edited By StingerMK2

iv not read the comments because there are too many, but it sort of disgusted me how Valve referred to itself as a subscription service in the end user agreement, i nearly clicked decline, but then i realised i probably wouldn't have access to Civ 5 and DoW 2 which are really the only games i give most of a shit about on steam. i really should have read through that thing better but to be quite frank, im drunk right now...

Avatar image for stache
Stache

74

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By Stache

Class action lawsuits only benefit the lawyers anyhow. No situation has ever been properly rectified with a CA Lawsuit.

Avatar image for redemptionist
redemptionist

5

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By redemptionist

I think i am ok with this. Have not lost any respect for Value. (yet)

Avatar image for jumanji
Jumanji

463

Forum Posts

2

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Jumanji
@Suicrat said:

the "rights" of consumers to consume are not being infringed if the legal department of a company decides to put their products/services behind a no-class-action wall.


Where's my consideration for the change? Two days ago, I was in a contractual arrangement with Valve that enabled me to seek remedy for breach in court. Today, Valve imposed a post contractual modification that would see me forfeit that right without any consideration for the new risk I now bear.
Avatar image for nerolus
Nerolus

278

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

Edited By Nerolus

With people doing stupid shit like suing Bioware (wasting everyone's time) over the ending of Mass Effect 3, I can't say I blame them at all. In the case of Mass Effect 2, people weren't promised or entitled to anything. Mob mentality is fucking stupid and dangerous. Especially in the video game community. Don't forget we're talking about video games here, folks. Fucking video games. Stop trying to sue everyone because you're a self-important brat. Of course if they snatched your money or did you wrong personally - sue their pants off if comes to that. That is something you WANT to keep one-on-one anyways. Why would you want to split the change?

Avatar image for beforet
beforet

3534

Forum Posts

47

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 2

Edited By beforet

Great, so now little old me gets to go up against a multi-billion dollar corporation with as many lawyers as I have kitchen appliances all by my lonesome. I feel so loved.

Avatar image for ch3burashka
ch3burashka

6086

Forum Posts

100

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

Edited By ch3burashka

I find it surprising this to even be a 'thing'. How can this possibly be legally binding? Haven't EULAs been straight-up dismissed in courts for being too vague or rambling, so much so that they can't possibly be considered a valid contract? The fact that they even would consider disabling their consumers, or at least intend to, in such a way is incredibly disturbing. From a business perspective, it makes perfect sense. From a person perspective, it's fucking insane.

Avatar image for nintendoeats
nintendoeats

6234

Forum Posts

828

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 9

Edited By nintendoeats

Not cool with thiiiiiiiis...

Avatar image for probablytuna
probablytuna

5010

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By probablytuna

I ain't even mad.

Avatar image for bradbrains
BradBrains

2277

Forum Posts

583

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By BradBrains

@ONIKAGEI said:

Not sure i want to live in a world where companies can say, "hey, you cant hold us accountable for stuff" and have it enforced. I would hope that the shaky legal ground would bring this to a halt if challenged in reality, but if it didn't it's all a bit "Dystopian future" for me.

I didnt read the part where you weren't allow to action at valve at all. just the part where you couldn't do class action suits which almost all I have seen are lawyer cash grabs.

this "wah wah wah my rights" has got to stop. you still have the right for recourse you cant just intimidate some company into an out of court settlement because you all band together. If your complaint is legit it should hold up by itself.

Avatar image for kosayn
kosayn

545

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By kosayn

TOS's have been overturned in court before, especially the "click through and agree to this 8 pages of bullshit nobody reads to use our software" variety. I've decided not to be concerned about them any more - if the need for justice is severe enough, the law changes.

Avatar image for musubi
musubi

17524

Forum Posts

5650

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 17

Edited By musubi
@CL60
@Demoskinos
Want to know why people aren't angry at Valve? Because unlike Sony and EA they are being extremely transparent about it. They aren't burying it in the EULA hoping nobody will discover it like was the case with EA and Sony.
Nope, pretty sure it's because people are hypocrites.
Can't agree. Valve's transparency when they got hacked last year was the same reason I didnt bat an eyelash when it happened compared to the Sony debacle earlier in the year. Valve has earned my trust as a consumer.
Avatar image for napalm
napalm

9227

Forum Posts

162

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By napalm

@sephirm87 said:

As an aspiring lawyer in school who believes in consumer protection, class action lawsuits are real shitty, because they are (in the real world application) all about shitty lawyers manipulating people into getting involved with something, then the lawyer wins big (or doesn't, like Vegas) and then takes a HUGE chunk of the winnings because they "won big." Also, when you sign on to a class action lawsuit, you forfeit your ability to sue later for related situations. Just food for though.

Honestly, not sure how I feel about this, but if it really bugs the consumer enough, people will not buy their games, and they will drop this from their EULA faster than you can blink

I really don't think people care enough, and it's far too easy to just click "agree" and continue on.

Avatar image for besetment
Besetment

650

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Besetment

Well what am I supposed to do, click no? Pardon me if I don't stress myself over something I have no control over.

Avatar image for brackynews
Brackynews

4385

Forum Posts

27681

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 48

Edited By Brackynews

@CL60: I prefer "hypercrite" and "ultracrite" for massive dramage. ;D

Avatar image for soral
Soral

37

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Soral

Can some EU folks file a class action lawsuit over this as a favor for the US users? Thanks in advance.

Avatar image for doesnoevil
doesnoevil

25

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

Edited By doesnoevil

@Scotto said:

@doesnoevil said:

HA HA... "Valve Joins EA, Sony, OTHERS?" how about MICRO$OFT?" i know you guys love your xboxes, but c'mon!

Yeah, he should name every single company that ever inserted these new clauses, in order to placate the fanboys like you!

Fanboy is the guy who cant even mix Microsoft with the "evil" EA and Sony... putting them in the "others" group as if microsoft is not notable enough in the gaming industry to make this headline... if i'm a fanboy you're a blind idiot. see what i did there?

i had to look up if ms was in the list because i honestly didn't know. not saying they have to name everyone but which are the 3 most notable companies in gaming? off the top of your head? why do i get the feeling you're being intentionally dense?

p.s.: i won't deny i have an axe to grind with M$ for the RROD'd 360 i couldn't get replaced for not living in the US and buying imported (basically, i game on everything but the 360 because of that) don't get how that makes me a fanboy who needs to be placated... ASSuming much?

Avatar image for cl60
CL60

17117

Forum Posts

-1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

Edited By CL60
@Demoskinos
Want to know why people aren't angry at Valve? Because unlike Sony and EA they are being extremely transparent about it. They aren't burying it in the EULA hoping nobody will discover it like was the case with EA and Sony.
Nope, pretty sure it's because people are hypocrites.
Avatar image for musubi
musubi

17524

Forum Posts

5650

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 17

Edited By musubi

Want to know why people aren't angry at Valve? Because unlike Sony and EA they are being extremely transparent about it. They aren't burying it in the EULA hoping nobody will discover it like was the case with EA and Sony.

Avatar image for hurricrane
Hurricrane

184

Forum Posts

5

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By Hurricrane

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Avatar image for theunsavedhero
TheUnsavedHero

1325

Forum Posts

8

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 3

Edited By TheUnsavedHero

I have never liked this whole "No Class Action Lawsuits" clause that has started springing up. I feel somehow that it is totally taking away consumers rights.

Avatar image for suicrat
Suicrat

3829

Forum Posts

1057

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 0

Edited By Suicrat

Another thought: the notion of consumer "rights" where goods produced by others are concerned, "rights" which can override the terms by which the producer sells their goods is no different from the notion of "slaveholder rights". You do not have the right to dictate the terms by which other people produce goods. Just because you get more positive play in the media than slaveholders do does not mean you're in the right.

Yes that's an extreme example, but none of you consumerists seem to even have a modicum of sense about the immense innovation, risk, and endeavour that goes into producing the values you all so thoughtlessly consume.

Avatar image for babychoochoo
BabyChooChoo

7106

Forum Posts

2094

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 2

Edited By BabyChooChoo

@Demoskinos said:

Eh. Don't care.

Yeah, I'm not even gonna lie. This is exactly how I feel.

Avatar image for rvone
RVonE

5027

Forum Posts

8740

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 6

Edited By RVonE

I'm in the EU where this doesn't mean anything.

Avatar image for subjugation
Subjugation

4993

Forum Posts

963

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Subjugation

This is just another way of Valve saying

No Caption Provided
Avatar image for suicrat
Suicrat

3829

Forum Posts

1057

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 0

Edited By Suicrat

Limiting your liability as a prerequisite for doing business with people is not an infringement of other people's "rights". My employer's rights are not being infringed if I refuse to perform specific unsafe tasks, and the "rights" of consumers to consume are not being infringed if the legal department of a company decides to put their products/services behind a no-class-action wall.

If I was digitally selling goods to millions of anonymous users I would stipulate the exact same term. No one goes into business to sacrifice their profits to help ambulance chasing lawyers get rich.

Avatar image for deactivated-589cf9e3c287e
deactivated-589cf9e3c287e

1984

Forum Posts

887

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 16

User Lists: 4

Have they rolled out the new EULA today? Is acceptance of the agreement on a per-machine or per-account basis? My brother accepted the agreement on our shared computer and I haven't been prompted on my laptop. I probably would've accepted anyway, but it would be nice to know that I clicked it myself.

Avatar image for deanoxd
deanoxd

776

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By deanoxd

I could careless about any of this because a game company would have to come to my house and burn it down for me to be mad enough to want to sue them.

And i think they have the right to protect themselves from frivolousness lawsuits.

Avatar image for yummytreesap
YummyTreeSap

1268

Forum Posts

306

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By YummyTreeSap

I'm not buying that class action lawsuits never benefit the consumer. Remember how shitty the original PS2s are and how great a number of them eventually got the Disc Read Error? And remember how Sony eventually decided to fix them free of charge? That was the result of a class action lawsuit.

This shit is fucked. Gaming is becoming something truly vile.

Avatar image for fisk0
fisk0

7321

Forum Posts

74197

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 75

Edited By fisk0  Moderator

@gbrading said:

Pretty sure this wouldn't be binding in the EU. I think there are certain laws which mean companies cannot take away consumer rights, even if the consumer willingly gives it up. I suppose it really comes down to someone has to try and sue them, then we'll see what happens. But as far as I can make out, UK law at least extends to the fact that you're allowed to sue whoever you want so long as you have a valid reason and enough money.

They say in the agreement that it does not cover citizens of EU members. I found another line about EU I hadn't seen in the Steam EULA either - that you're explicitly allowed to cancel a purchase as long as you haven't in any way downloaded the purchased software yet (somewhat hard to avoid when it comes to DLC purchases made from the Steam client, as there's no option to not install that directly after purchase like you can with regular software - it is avoidable if you purchase through a browser and cancel before starting up the Steam client). I'm pretty sure that section wasn't in the EULA before, previously making EU citizens risk getting banned from Steam would they decide to use their right as consumers to return to the goods and ask for a refund.

Avatar image for tychoid
Tychoid

86

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Tychoid

@Peanut said:

I like how much of a shit storm this was around Sony and EA, but everyone is just kind of chill about Valve. I don't get why these big PC companies can walk all over people and no one gives a shit, but the second anyone in the console space steps a toe out of line there are boycotts and everyone is outraged.

Also, summed up my fear about the way all this shit works.

Because PC users are generally older, mature, and thus more informed about how legal language and the legal system works and don't throw a tissy fit over nothing.

Avatar image for penguindust
penguindust

13129

Forum Posts

22

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

Edited By penguindust

"Our super-lawyers will crush your measly solitary strip-mall lawyer but they have trouble with mega-class-action lawyers"

Avatar image for snail
Snail

8908

Forum Posts

16390

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 9

Edited By Snail

@ONIKAGEI said:

Not sure i want to live in a world where companies can say, "hey, you cant hold us accountable for stuff" and have it enforced. I would hope that the shaky legal ground would bring this to a halt if challenged in reality, but if it didn't it's all a bit "Dystopian future" for me.

They seem to be totally cool with you suing them on a "one-on-one" basis or whatever it was they called it.

Avatar image for tychoid
Tychoid

86

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Tychoid

The vast majority of class action suits are really freaking stupid anyways. They generally just end up hurting the customer in the long run. Class action lawsuits benefit lawyers and literally noone else.

For people thinking Valve is now immune to the law: you're an idiot. Stop being a hippie. This is class action lawsuits only.

Avatar image for sanity
Sanity

2255

Forum Posts

178

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Sanity

Well i dont like it, the thing is most class action suits dont do jack for the average person anyways.

Avatar image for jasondesante
jasondesante

615

Forum Posts

2

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 0

Edited By jasondesante

if you personally sue valve for personally doing shit to you (whatever it may be), you have the right to sue them for it, and they'll even pay the costs to be sued? Sounds FUCKING AWESOME. Don't think anyone would ever use this unless they cheated and want to be unbanned or something else lame like that.

Avatar image for musubi
musubi

17524

Forum Posts

5650

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 8

User Lists: 17

Edited By musubi

Eh. Don't care.