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    Game » consists of 3 releases. Released Jul 09, 2013

    The official free-to-play sequel to the Warcraft III custom scenario that originally popularized the Multiplayer Online Battle Arena sub-genre.

    The International - Tournament Discussion Thread

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    #201  Edited By WinkLynx

    @Mageknight: Does the cost of buying back in scale with either time or amount of uses?

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    #202  Edited By phrosnite
    @Mageknight said:

    Does anyone else think infinite buybacks are a *bit* ridiculous? HoN changed buybacks to a max of two, and I feel like that helps cap the lengths of games some.

    If you have the money you should buy yourself as many times as you want. It's not cheap man.
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    #203  Edited By Mageknight

    @WinkLynx I don't believe so; pretty sure it's based solely off the level of the hero.

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    #204  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    Yeah, it scales with level. Pretty sure there's a cooldown on buybacks in Dota as well

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    #205  Edited By Kodo_Beast
    @Mageknight: The 4 minute cooldown is generally enough to keep non-stop buybacks in check while retaining strategies focused around late game buybacks. In a regular match it's a complete non-issue imo.
     
    The buyback cost formula is 100+Level*Level*1.5+Time*15 according to the 6.66 changelog.
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    #206  Edited By phrosnite
    @Mageknight said:

    @WinkLynx I don't believe so; pretty sure it's based solely off the level of the hero.

    Not to mention that a 25 level character will lose a lot of money if he dies and add that to the buyback cost. It balances itself out. No need of hard caps.  IIRC when you die at level 25 and yourself back you will be like -3k gold.
     
    Can you pick up other people's items in DOTA 2? For example if I kill his courier or catch him at the secret shop buying something with an item on the ground, can I take his item?
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    #207  Edited By eXfire

    Come on two more heroes, they used forty-four heroes in the first day, two more to go!

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    #208  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    I'm sure Pudge will get picked. Na'Vi have been known to use him well. Not sure if Tinker will show up though.

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    #209  Edited By Kodo_Beast
    @phrosnite: If it works like DotA, you can pick up all items that are dropped and kill most of them (can't kill Divine Rapier). Only a few items can be used that don't belong to you (all consumables, Gem, Divine Rapier, Sobi Mask, Ring of Regen, Ring of Health, Perseverance, basically anything that can be shared with allies).
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    #210  Edited By phrosnite
    @Kodo_Beast said:
    @phrosnite: If it works like DotA, you can pick up all items that are dropped and kill most of them (can't kill Divine Rapier). Only a few items can be used that don't belong to you (all consumables, Gem, Divine Rapier, Sobi Mask, Ring of Regen, Ring of Health, Perseverance, basically anything that can be shared with allies).
    Is that is the newest version 6.71? Last time I played was 6.20 and you could even kill the rapier. I've heard that in the new version you can pick up other people's items but you can destroy them.
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    #211  Edited By Mageknight

    LION MID! Also, wow, SF trilane? That's something you would never see in HoN.

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    #212  Edited By Kodo_Beast
    @phrosnite: Yeah, it was made immune to damage (or at least had it's hp increases to ~999999) in 6.66.
     
    Thinking of 6.2x brings back memories of Bristleback and Beastmaster's maphawk >_>.
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    #213  Edited By Kodo_Beast
    @Mageknight: Lion mid is definitely my favorite Lion :P. A fast blink on Lion is such a game changer.
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    #214  Edited By Mageknight

    @Kodo_Beast: Agreed! Really sad that Lion is a wardbitch in HoN, he's so much more fun when you play him as a fast-and-loose ganker.

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    #215  Edited By Kodo_Beast

    And there's the blink :D

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    #216  Edited By valrog

    I caught the last 10 minutes or so of the last match and I have to say... I had no idea what the hell was going on. Though same applied when I watched League of Legends stream before I knew the game. I don't think I'll watch anymore streams of any kind.

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    #217  Edited By WinkLynx

    Thanks for the information regarding buybacks.

    Having never seen more than 5 minutes of DotA in action (my only MOBA experience being a year of LoL), I find watching Dota 2 to be fascinating. I have gone from being indifferent towards Dota 2 to being ridiculously excited for its release.

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    #218  Edited By Mr_Skeleton

    @eXfire said:

    Come on two more heroes, they used forty-four heroes in the first day, two more to go!

    Actually there are three more they didn't use (I did some digging with the URLs :) ).

    Morphling
    Morphling
    Pudge
    Pudge
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    #219  Edited By crazyleaves

    Wow, MUFC stomped those fools.

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    #220  Edited By scarace360

    That was gank ass shit.

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    #221  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    Another Windrunner ban. This aggression against gingers will not stand.

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    #222  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    GG.net needs to gank this morphling, stat. Otherwise he's going to rice them out of this tournament.

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    #223  Edited By eXfire
    @Mr_Skeleton said:

    @eXfire said:

    Come on two more heroes, they used forty-four heroes in the first day, two more to go!

    Actually there are three more they didn't use (I did some digging with the URLs :) ).

    Morphling
    Morphling

    Pudge
    Pudge
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    #224  Edited By nazer858

    Na'Vi soooo sick, finally a Viper, amazing match

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    #225  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    Nirvana.cn v Mineski actually ended up being pretty entertaining. Mirana's backdoor shenanigans at the end were priceless!

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    #226  Edited By nazer858

    WOW Mineski, what a comeback

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    #227  Edited By phrosnite

    I don't approve of BACKDOORING!

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    #228  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    Final match of the day, MYM v Scythe going on now. Promises to be epic

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    #229  Edited By nazer858

    Hell yeah finally a Razor

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    #230  Edited By Kodo_Beast
    @phrosnite: Why? You have teleport scrolls, glyph of protection and towers / raxes (other than tier 1 towers) regenerate health at a massive rate if you attack them without AI-controlled creep support. It takes a lot of effort to backdoor successfully.
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    #231  Edited By phrosnite
    @Kodo_Beast said:

    @phrosnite: Why? You have teleport scrolls, glyph of protection and towers / raxes (other than tier 1 towers) regenerate health at a massive rate if you attack them without AI-controlled creep support. It takes a lot of effort to backdoor successfully.

    I disagree. Late game the heroes are so powerfull(unless you played like a noob) that destroying the towers is no problem. I've had games in which a hero backdoored our/their ancient.
    Backdoor is for pussies. There should be a rule that says clearly whether backdoors are allowed or not.
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    #232  Edited By Mageknight

    Yo, if you're not carrying a TP, you deserve to lose buildings.

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    #233  Edited By phrosnite
    @Mageknight said:

    Yo, if you're not carrying a TP, you deserve to lose buildings.

    Backdoor is a sign of desperation. They fucked up in the last battle so they deserve to lose. As I said we need an offcial rule.
    Also... wtf? Sooooooo many bad Sand Kings. The more matches I watch the more I"m convinced that those guys aren't "pros", they are just above average.
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    #234  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    Games should be starting soon. For any people unfamiliar with the game who might be watching, here's a quick reference guide to the heroes and their abilities. 
     
    http://www.jordan-baker.com/dota2/

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    #235  Edited By Kodo_Beast
    @phrosnite: Well to each their own I suppose. Even on the receiving end of backdooring I don't really mind (insert crude joke).
     
    @Jokers_Wild: Haven't read through all the abilities for inconsistencies but that's a really nice reference guide. It even has the HoN equivalents listed!
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    #236  Edited By Mageknight
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    #237  Edited By phrosnite

    I want to punch someone. Even the commentators don't know how to play with Sand King. The shit they are saying... /facepalm
     
    I hope Virus win. Those MYM are soooooooo bad. Bad, bad SK and they don't know how to render Prophet's first skill basically useless.

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    #238  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    And MYM brings it on home. They make the big plays.

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    #239  Edited By scarace360

    Did he just say facepalm 9000?

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    #240  Edited By phrosnite

    I have a question... In which DotA version did they introduse that noob friendly smoke bomb item? Where people so f-ing bad at the game and couldn't gang players? 100 gold, 40 sec invis and you don't get revealed when you use a skill? lol wut? Who was left in charge with DotA balance? What a noob!
     
    Also... Am I the only one who has choppy stream?

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    #241  Edited By TheDudeOfGaming

    GO M5!!!!1

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    #242  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    Hoping M5 wins this, but Mineski will definitely be tough to beat. Both lineups look really good.

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    #243  Edited By phrosnite
    @Jokers_Wild said:
    Hoping M5 wins this, but Mineski will definitely be tough to beat. Both lineups look really good.
    I guess you were wrong about the tough match... What an ownage. So many mistakes on MIneski's side.
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    #244  Edited By TheDudeOfGaming
    @phrosnite said:
    @Jokers_Wild said:
    Hoping M5 wins this, but Mineski will definitely be tough to beat. Both lineups look really good.
    I guess you were wrong about the tough match... What an ownage. So many mistakes on MIneski's side.
    I didn't expect M5 to wipe the floor with them so hard, usually that type of ownage is reserved for Dota pub :D
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    #245  Edited By vegoku

    this is my first intro to the DOTA world. I have NO fucking idea what is going on. the commentators make me feel dumb :( haha. but it looks like a neat game

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    #246  Edited By Jokers_Wild
    @vegoku: haha yeah it can be pretty intimidating at first
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    #247  Edited By phrosnite

    MUFC vs. ok.nv.int is actually very interesting so far.

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    #248  Edited By Jokers_Wild

    This match is insane!

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    #249  Edited By nazer858

    @Jokers_Wild: I just woke up (about 7 am PDT...) and caught the very end of it, can't wait to check out the replay later

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    #250  Edited By countinhallways

    I know nothing about this game, but that bait by ok.nv.int at the end there was incredible. Turned the whole thing around. From last-ditch defense to all-out offence in a couple of seconds. 
     
    Brilliant. I may just play this game when it comes out. Damn competitive gaming, why are you so godlike? I rarely play single-player games any more because they just can't match the excitement.

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