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#1 Edited By rewcastle

Ey folks

Having just returned my Samsung C7000 due to disgusting input lag ranging up to about 90ms, i am now looking to buy a BRAVIA. Instead of lurking the shit out of stuck up AVforums etc i thought i'd ask some of the old community if they had any recommendations for a good LED Bravia with minimal input lag. Was looking at the KDL-46NX713. Experiences anyone? Shoot.

13 years ago

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#2 Edited By HitmanAgent47

My 120hz bravia has imput lag with all the dejuddering and 120 motionflow shit going on. It's reduced when you use lower settings or turn it off. My toshiba 120hz has no noticable input lag even with 120hz clearframe shit going on. However I like my bravia 120hz alot better. Also the bravia i've noticed doesn't really look at good at 720p, scaling is horrible. Blu ray looks out of this world though. I'm sorry that's all the experience I had with hdtvs, even my samsung 60hz hdtv had input lag and it was ghosting.I exhanged that hdtv for the toshiba. So really it's best to google a particular hdtv model to see if it has input lag. Never really owned an led, just lcd.

13 years ago

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#3 Edited By Video_Game_King

I thought this was a thread containing trivia about surfers who use the word "brah." You have greatly disappointed.

13 years ago

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#4 Edited By MikkaQ

@Rewcastle said:

" @HitmanAgent47 said:
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My 120hz bravia has imput lag with all the dejuddering and 120 motionflow shit going on. It's reduced when you use lower settings or turn it off. My toshiba 120hz has no noticable input lag even with 120hz clearframe shit going on. However I like my bravia 120hz alot better. Also the bravia i've noticed doesn't really look at good at 720p, scaling is horrible. Blu ray looks out of this world though. I'm sorry that's all the experience I had with hdtvs, even my samsung 60hz hdtv had input lag and it was ghosting.I exhanged that hdtv for the toshiba. So really it's best to google a particular hdtv model to see if it has input lag. Never really owned an led, just lcd.
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Hmm yeah. Most of the 120Hz/240Hz stuff just looks unnatural in games anyway. Mighty impressive in a couple such as Brotherhood. But apart from that, meh. Just a shame you need to turn it off for gaming when you just spent the extra cash on that feature alone... "

That feature is literally only useful in sports, it makes movies look like handi-cam shot amateur porn, and games just look straight up weird.

13 years ago

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#5 Edited By HitmanAgent47

@XII_Sniper: it only looks that way because there is no blur and it's not all slow like film. It looks more like a fast motion HD cam though and it looks alot more natural imo for blu ray movies. Since everything is so clear it doesn't only look like a cam, it also looks like you are right there. That's why I have two 120hz, one for blu ray, the other for games which doesn't look like a soap opera. My toshiba doesn't look like that, it still moves like film yet it's slightly less blurry. I like the feature and I will defend it because if you don't like it, you can always turn it off. Maybe you like things at 60hz with a ton of ghosting and blurring, maybe that's the type of film you like to watch.

Like I said to the op, only the toshiba hdtv has no input lag in my experience so far. Yet blu ray is dull and grainy, however games looks decent. I use this for my computer display, so I do use it alot for gaming. I even use it with the 120hz clearframe setting on and it still has no input lag. Also like I said, it really doesn't look that sharp for blu ray at all, yet for games it's really sharp because there is some manual upscale feature called resolution plus which was intended to sharpen 480p and 720p features, which I also use for games to make it look even sharper at 1080p. It gives you a variety of sharpness you want to sharpen the disply. I wish there was a hdtv that can do everything well and has no lag, speaking on lcds only. I'm sure newer plasmas are very fast at 600Hz and has no input lag, however I myself don't like plasmas.

13 years ago

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#6 Edited By HitmanAgent47

@Rewcastle: Well let's do some math. Most movies runs at what 24 frames, then you have to divide it by 5 to make 120Hz

Then you times 24 X 10 = 240hz

600 divided 25 = 25 so in a way, they are using the correct amount of frames where it won't look out of place because old hdtvs like 60hz doesn't divide well into this number.

You can even divide 120hz into 30 frame sports stuff, which is = 4

you can divide 240hz into 30 frames 8

you can divide 600 divided by 30 is 24.

So the conclusion is even if you stack framerates, you won't have a few frames out of place and it should render correctly. I'm also not sure about the type of interpolation plama uses, i'm sure it's slightly different than 120hz hdtvs and they might just replay the same frames a few times inbetween frames. I don't own a plasma hdtv so I didn't research it extensively, it might not even look like a soap opera, yet it's probally blur free. Just do the math, the frames will not have any extra odd frames making the picture look funny, like 24hz film to 60hz hdtv, it doesn't divide into that number well.

that might not make alot of sense, however 120hz they add one extra inbetween frame to make 120 per second. 600hz, i'm sure they don't put the exact middle inbetween from, rather they just repeat a frame a few more times inbetween from one from to another, to make 600hz. That's what I think, I could be wrong, I don't own a plasma, however I think that's how they are doing it. It's a bit different than 120hz hdtvs where they create a new frame inbetween two frames sort of like animation inbetween frames.

13 years ago

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#7 Edited By HitmanAgent47

I was thinking, what about getting a panasonic vierra plasma hdtv? Maybe that's what your looking for, which probally has no input lag. Might have some image retension, however it will go away.

13 years ago

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#8 Edited By ch13696

I have a 40" Bravia. One of the older models that doesn't have anything fascinating on it. Anyways, I have no problems with it at all. It runs everything fine and don't notice any kind of lag.

13 years ago

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#9 Edited By bcjohnnie

Can anyone attest to a substantial difference between LCD and LED-LCD? I'm currently in a very similar situation to the OP, except I'm not looking at 3D stuff at all. The price difference between LCD and LED-LCD for the 46" tvs is $400, so I would love to know that it would pay off. I know that the idea is better contrast and deeper blacks in the LED tvs, and they say the power consumption is cut in half, but does anyone have any real experience with this? Anyone's life changed by the upgrade to LED?

13 years ago

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#10 Edited By thedj93

@Video_Game_King said:

" I thought this was a thread containing trivia about surfers who use the word "brah." You have greatly disappointed. "

Little known fact: The saltiness and overall greasiness of a brah's hair is directly proportional to how alpha that bro really is

13 years ago

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#11 Edited By AmplifiedMuffin

I've been looking at the KDL40EX500 personally. I really like it, and it's pretty affordable (IMO), but I'm sure something else will catch my eye before I actually get a new one in a month or so.

13 years ago

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#12 Edited By mordukai

I have a 46" Bravia I bought 2 years and I couldn't be more happy with it. The amount of options they give you for adjusting a picture is just scary.

13 years ago

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#13 Edited By agentboolen

@HitmanAgent47 said:

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I was thinking, what about getting a panasonic vierra plasma hdtv? Maybe that's what your looking for, which probally has no input lag. Might have some image retension, however it will go away.
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I'm not sure what the Plasma tv's are doing now a days but I know when I was buying my LCD about 4 years ago everyone was saying Plasma isn't good for video games just because of screen burn in. It was designed more for just playing movie, I don't know if they have changed it now a days but at this point I would do a little research on screen burn in if I was you.

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#14 Edited By HitmanAgent47

@agentboolen: I've done some research recently and they said the first 200 hours becareful of burn ins, after that it should be okay. There is image retention, however it goes away after a few minutes.

13 years ago