I don't know about you guys, but I'm thinking this calls for dedicated video game museums =) Original games, original consoles complete with storyboards and being able to watch how they all evolved (reflecting a thought someone was talking about on Reddit on this very subject)
" When the government is calling your shit official art, you know you're not making art. Ebert wins. "
Yeah, let's chant anti-establishment slogans, brah! Down with the man!
In all seriousness, considering that they are offering grants to would-be developers, this is great news, regardless on where you stand on the whole games-as-art debate.
@wasteguru:@Bassman2112: MysteriousBob pretty much only trolls when he posts. I doubt he's made one post actually contributing toward a discussion since he started.
That being said, this is excellent news. Every bit of recognition helps.
" When the government is calling your shit official art, you know you're not making art. Ebert wins. "
Yeah, let's chant anti-establishment slogans, brah! Down with the man!
In all seriousness, considering that they are offering grants to would-be developers, this is great news, regardless on where you stand on the whole games-as-art debate.
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I think grants just means now PBS and the History Channel will be able to make more edutainment games. But who knows. I'd have to look at the paperwork. Nothing has kept private funders from offering grants to game developers, there's just no interest. Unless you count XNA proof of concept games that later became funded.
" When the government is calling your shit official art, you know you're not making art. Ebert wins. "
Yeah, let's chant anti-establishment slogans, brah! Down with the man!
In all seriousness, considering that they are offering grants to would-be developers, this is great news, regardless on where you stand on the whole games-as-art debate.
"
I think grants just means now PBS and the History Channel will be able to make more edutainment games. But who knows. I'd have to look at the paperwork. Nothing has kept private funders from offering grants to game developers, there's just no interest. Unless you count XNA proof of concept games that later became funded. "
Nothing has kept private funders from offering grants to aspiring filmmakers or musicians, either.
Videogames are the epitome of art. Every artform of the past and much of siences come together and have one super-powered baby.
Hamstrung by interactivity, since the finishing touch will always be applied by the actions of the consumers. Few are good enough ACTORS living up to the challenge of breathing true life into a game.
Videogame player-direction is the biggest challenge of them all. The game has to create the perfect player.
Right, because I want the Federal Government telling me what is art and what isn't. They need to spend more time on issues that actually matter...like balancing the budget, reducing unemployment, addressing the illegal immigration problem, and countless other things.
" Right, because I want the Federal Government telling me what is art and what isn't. They need to spend more time on issues that actually matter...like balancing the budget, reducing unemployment, addressing the illegal immigration problem, and countless other things. "
Did you read the article at all? It's specifically about the National Endowment for the Arts. It's not like the House and Senate are busy debating the merits of games as art.
" Right, because I want the Federal Government telling me what is art and what isn't. They need to spend more time on issues that actually matter...like balancing the budget, reducing unemployment, addressing the illegal immigration problem, and countless other things. "
Did you read the article at all? It's specifically about the National Endowment for the Arts. It's not like the House and Senate are busy debating the merits of games as art. "
I did, and that organization can be eliminated for now as far as I'm concerned. We can't even keep people fed or employed right now.
" When the government is calling your shit official art, you know you're not making art. Ebert wins. "
Yeah, let's chant anti-establishment slogans, brah! Down with the man!
In all seriousness, considering that they are offering grants to would-be developers, this is great news, regardless on where you stand on the whole games-as-art debate.
"
I think grants just means now PBS and the History Channel will be able to make more edutainment games. But who knows. I'd have to look at the paperwork. Nothing has kept private funders from offering grants to game developers, there's just no interest. Unless you count XNA proof of concept games that later became funded. "
Nothing has kept private funders from offering grants to aspiring filmmakers or musicians, either. "
I'm not going to pretend to be clued up on the subject, but isn't that where private investors come in?
Surely studios, both movies and games, are backed financially by share-holders and their ilk.
" Right, because I want the Federal Government telling me what is art and what isn't. They need to spend more time on issues that actually matter...like balancing the budget, reducing unemployment, addressing the illegal immigration problem, and countless other things. "
Did you read the article at all? It's specifically about the National Endowment for the Arts. It's not like the House and Senate are busy debating the merits of games as art. "
I did, and that organization can be eliminated for now as far as I'm concerned. We can't even keep people fed or employed right now. "
Well, you're a big bucket of positivity, aren't you?
" Right, because I want the Federal Government telling me what is art and what isn't. They need to spend more time on issues that actually matter...like balancing the budget, reducing unemployment, addressing the illegal immigration problem, and countless other things. "
Did you read the article at all? It's specifically about the National Endowment for the Arts. It's not like the House and Senate are busy debating the merits of games as art. "
I did, and that organization can be eliminated for now as far as I'm concerned. We can't even keep people fed or employed right now. "
So... eliminate an institution receiving a tiny fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the budget? Savin' lives. "
Because it's not like that money would go to the military, or anything.
The whole "slashing the budget saves lives" mentality is bullshit, anyway. I have a friend that works at a company that develops projects for the U.S. Defense Department. If the funding for those projects were to be cut, he would likely be out of a job because the company wouldn't have anything to shift him over to due to the already full staff working on the civilian projects. (Not to mention the sudden drop in government funding making it more difficult to pay everyone.)
Sure, you might save a drop in the bucket by eliminating a specific office or program, but then you fuck over everyone that was responsible for running that program.
" Right, because I want the Federal Government telling me what is art and what isn't. They need to spend more time on issues that actually matter...like balancing the budget, reducing unemployment, addressing the illegal immigration problem, and countless other things. "
Did you read the article at all? It's specifically about the National Endowment for the Arts. It's not like the House and Senate are busy debating the merits of games as art. "
I did, and that organization can be eliminated for now as far as I'm concerned. We can't even keep people fed or employed right now. "
Do you have any idea how little funding something like that gets from the government? When over 70% of the budget goes towards medicare and the military, people with a "any budget slash is a good and meaningful budget slash" mentality like yours are absolutely hilarious. Throwing a fit over a few million dollars when the budget is in the trillions is totally the proper perspective going into things.
" I was playing Saints Row last night, and I never once thought of it as art. "
I was watching the Sorcerer's Apprentice last night, and I never once thought of that as art either. "
Eh, I consider saints row way more art worthy than sorcerers apprentice, hell, this has been a long time coming. Video have had a insanely huge edges that movies never will have. Hell, since videogames have been dominating the movie industry on a consistent basis, I am surprised this didn't happen years ago when Mass effect and such came out.
This is quite a big win. Roger ebert would love to hear this though, I would enjoy hearing his blood rage from whereever he lives to here in Montana. Proof that we won and were right from the very start.
" I was playing Saints Row last night, and I never once thought of it as art. "
I was watching the Sorcerer's Apprentice last night, and I never once thought of that as art either. "
Eh, I consider saints row way more art worthy than sorcerers apprentice, hell, this has been a long time coming. Video have had a insanely huge edges that movies never will have. Hell, since videogames have been dominating the movie industry on a consistent basis, I am surprised this didn't happen years ago when Mass effect and such came out.
This is quite a big win. Roger ebert would love to hear this though, I would enjoy hearing his blood rage from whereever he lives to here in Montana. Proof that we won and were right from the very start.
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one piece of shit is less shit than the other piece of shit, therefore games are masterful pieces of art
" When the government is calling your shit official art, you know you're not making art. Ebert wins. "
As much as it pains me, I am inclined to agree with you. "
As much as I don't care that the government considers games art, there is nothing that prevents them from accurately recognizing art. After all, all the other forms recognized by the NEA are pretty much non-disputable. The Endowment has done good work, I just have a hard time seeing it work for games.
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