#1 Posted by maskedarcstrike (701 posts) -

Saw the article here at gamespot. Kind of shocking since including headsets was a big positive for the 360 and the PS3 didn't. Didn't anyone ever tell them kinect mics suck? Good lord with that many Kinects on during a multiplayer game I wonder how much background noise people will be getting.

#2 Posted by MacGoesZoom (75 posts) -

I think it's way weird they didn't include it, but I am one of the horrible people that either A. Don't use a mic in multiplayer or B. have a party with my friends, so this isn't a major issue to me.

#3 Posted by BleedingStarX (279 posts) -

Thank God for party chat, I'll be investing in a headset for sure. No way would I use the Kinect as a microphone

#4 Posted by maskedarcstrike (701 posts) -

@macgoeszoom: I don't think it's horrible, when I'm pubbing I typically leave my headset on the floor. If I hear some chatter I'll put it on and if the people sound cool/normal I'll talk to them and if not I just turn the volume down on the headset and leave it on the floor.

#5 Edited by tourgen (4428 posts) -

That seems weird to me.

My first experiences with the 360 were playing Gears of War online with friends.

Talking at my TV might work I guess but will I have a mic mute switch or button on the controller? Doesn't look like it.

Also having the voice chat over a headset is nice instead of routing it through the system speakers with the game audio.

This just seems like a really odd decision.

#6 Edited by Blu3V3nom07 (4162 posts) -

Kinect 2.0 will have Noise Canceling.

And the included PS4 mic looks like it'll get cut in a day.

#7 Posted by maskedarcstrike (701 posts) -

@tourgen: It is weird, especially since Kinect mics are pretty much universally hated for MP games. I mean ya people can buy a headset afterwards but still.

#8 Posted by Residentrevil2 (433 posts) -

I only talk with close friends and I normally use a combination of Kinect and headset depending on whether the headset is out of reach (sometimes I'm too lazy to get up). The current Kinect works well during the times I've used it to chat. I turn down my surround sound audio and talk to my friends while we party chat. The current Kinect kind of reminds me of the Wii Speak, but slightly better.

Even when I only had a headset I always turned my surround sound low so I could hear my friends and so they couldn't hear my game. I don't really plan to talk much anyways I guess. However, I can't wait to distract zombies in Dead Rising 3 using the Kinect.

#9 Posted by EvilNiGHTS (1093 posts) -

Dumb move, but hardly a dealbreaker. God knows there's been enough already.

#10 Posted by Tackchevy (261 posts) -

I mean, I would rather them just not include a super shitty, borderline pointless headset. Anyone that is remotely serious about MP is going to buy their own gear over some stock deal that a manufacturer includes with hardware.

If they save three dollars by not including it, then they'll be that much closer to being able to afford a price break down the line. What can I say, I just don't want to pay or even deal with something that I'm not going to ever use.

#11 Posted by Silver-Streak (1339 posts) -

@blu3v3nom07: True, altough the PS3 and PS4 can use any USB or Bluetooth headset(Unconfirmed if you can use any normal 3.5mm headset yet), whereas you have to buy specific headsets for the XBO.

#12 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2313 posts) -

Would have been a nice inclusion but whatevs, not really a big deal.

#13 Posted by xyzygy (9899 posts) -

@maskedarcstrike: You still get a shit ton of background noise with the ones the bundle with the consoles now. I can't tell you how many times I've had to deal with kids and their brothers/friends in the same room, or parents yelling. I don't think that's an issue strictly for kinect. In fact I think Kinect might be able to muffle sounds not coming from the main player?

#14 Posted by GrendelPr1me (33 posts) -

I'm one of those idiots who spent nearly $200 on an after market headset, and I still barely use the mic in public matches, and really only ever have it one when on with friends. That said, this next wave of consoles looks more like a battle of what useless crap can we cram in this box, more than anything.

#15 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4162 posts) -

@eujin: Yea but you still have to Buy the headset. You could probably find like a cheapo $20 Bluetooth, at the same price of that $15 XONE headset.

I never bought a Bluetooth headset for my PS3. But I still use the Turtle Beach I bought that works with 360 & PS3.

#16 Edited by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

Great idea! If nobody has headsets, then LIVE won't be littered with yelly, asshole kids!

#17 Posted by Reisz (1461 posts) -

Kinect 2.0 will have Noise Canceling.

And the included PS4 mic looks like it'll get cut in a day.

Get cut? Why are you wearing a shirt made from scissors?

#18 Posted by YukoAsho (2001 posts) -

Great idea! If nobody has headsets, then LIVE won't be littered with yelly, asshole kids!

No, they'll be even yellier since they'll probably think they have to be louder for the Kinect to pick them up.

And yeah, the headset isn't really a deal breaker. Hell, it's about the only thing about the Xbone that isn't a dealbreaker.

#19 Posted by EarlessShrimp (1631 posts) -

@yukoasho said:

@ravenlight said:

Great idea! If nobody has headsets, then LIVE won't be littered with yelly, asshole kids!

No, they'll be even yellier since they'll probably think they have to be louder for the Kinect to pick them up.

Well, there will actually be a clip for the Kinect 2.0 so you can clip it to your shirt so you won't have to yell at your kinect from across the room.

#20 Edited by YukoAsho (2001 posts) -

@yukoasho said:

@ravenlight said:

Great idea! If nobody has headsets, then LIVE won't be littered with yelly, asshole kids!

No, they'll be even yellier since they'll probably think they have to be louder for the Kinect to pick them up.

Well, there will actually be a clip for the Kinect 2.0 so you can clip it to your shirt so you won't have to yell at your kinect from across the room.

You'd need a badass shirt for that to work. the Kinext 2.0 looks fucking HUGE.

#21 Edited by Silver-Streak (1339 posts) -

@blu3v3nom07: So apparently it's been confirmed that the PS4 headset jack can be used by any 2.5 mm headset. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-vs-ps4-headset-war-begins-577590186. Although it is Kotaku, so take this with a grain of salt.

With that in mind: USB Headset: $12 http://www.amazon.com/iMicro-IM320-USB-Headset/dp/B003RRY8ZG/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1372210739&sr=1-1&keywords=USB+headset

2.5 mm Headset: $6 http://www.amazon.com/Naztech-N65-EarPro-Headest-Cancellation/dp/B0052OD0QU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1372211231&sr=1-1&keywords=2.5+mm+headset+noise+cancelling

Bluetooth Headset: $17 http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BHM1200NBACSTA-Bluetooth-Headset-HM1200/dp/B005BHFH3W/ref=sr_1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1372210881&sr=1-2

It is exceedingly unlikely that Microsoft will sell the new headset for less expensive than they currently sell the 360 headset, as the new one apparently costs more to make. With that in mind, the current 360 headset (Which is not compatable with the XBO) sells for $19: http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Headset/dp/B003OAE79S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372210980&sr=8-1&keywords=Xbox+360+headset

Also, the included headset with the 360 is/was terrible, so if the XBO's Chat headset is the same, you'd probably need to get at least the Turtle Beach one that they've announced, which means it is likely way more expensive.

Edit: Replaced 3.5mm headset with 2.5mm

#22 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3801 posts) -

That sucks. Not surprised they probably wanna push using the Kinect. The old one was terrible for voice chat but maybe the noise cancelling is worth a damn on the new one. I'll probably just get a headset anyway.

#23 Posted by Genfuyung (226 posts) -

Well they're only charging 500 bucks. You want them to go broke? /sarcasm

#25 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

That sucks. Not surprised they probably wanna push using the Kinect. The old one was terrible for voice chat but maybe the noise cancelling is worth a damn on the new one. I'll probably just get a headset anyway.

I was gonna get a turtle beach.

#26 Posted by ez123 (1945 posts) -

360 online before party chat will never be repeated. I assume the PS4 has party chat, too.

#27 Posted by JJWeatherman (14557 posts) -

Hm. I wonder if the new Kinect mic will be of the beamforming variety. I think we're to the point now where that wouldn't be out of the question.

#28 Edited by mrfluke (5101 posts) -

thats stupid, i really dont want to be shouting at the kinect mic to be talking to friends.

#29 Edited by OurSin_360 (834 posts) -
@yukoasho said:

@earlessshrimp said:

@yukoasho said:

@ravenlight said:

Great idea! If nobody has headsets, then LIVE won't be littered with yelly, asshole kids!

No, they'll be even yellier since they'll probably think they have to be louder for the Kinect to pick them up.

Well, there will actually be a clip for the Kinect 2.0 so you can clip it to your shirt so you won't have to yell at your kinect from across the room.

You'd need a badass shirt for that to work. the Kinext 2.0 looks fucking HUGE.

lmaoooo

Seems like the xbone just wants to give more reasons not to buy it.

#30 Posted by LoZ825 (7 posts) -

Can't wait to yell at my TV to talk to someone, I'm guessing the mic would be strong enough so you don't have to hear people sound like they are a few rooms away over chat.

#31 Edited by CornBREDX (4836 posts) -

The headset that I got came a hard drive I bought the 360 and it was shit. I only ever used it once, but it wasn't that great.

I don't really care about that though, I am very unlikely to get an XBox one. I just don't like a lot of things about the system in general (it's not really about the DRM policies).

#32 Edited by Blu3V3nom07 (4162 posts) -

@mrfluke said:

thats stupid, i really dont want to be shouting at the kinect mic to be talking to friends.

I thought you weren't getting an XONE?

#33 Edited by mlarrabee (2888 posts) -

Unless Kinect 2 can differentiate the player's voice from the voices of their girlfriend, their six year-old, and their dog, there's no way it'll filter the only truly disruptive background noise. I can understand you over the sound of your box fan, not over the sound of your terrier.

#34 Edited by mrfluke (5101 posts) -

@mrfluke said:

thats stupid, i really dont want to be shouting at the kinect mic to be talking to friends.

I thought you weren't getting an XONE?

still aren't,

but im assuming that thing will essentially be a boom mic, thats gonna let in more noise than a headset would,and you'ill most likely have to raise your voice more to have the mic pick you up, not to mention the voices of your friends will be coming out of that device now and be a lot more public vs through a headset.

Great for X1 people if im wrong though.

#35 Posted by mrfluke (5101 posts) -

@mrfluke said:

thats stupid, i really dont want to be shouting at the kinect mic to be talking to friends.

I thought you weren't getting an XONE?

still aren't,

but im assuming that thing will essentially be a boom mic, thats gonna let in more noise than a headset would,and you'ill most likely have to raise your voice more to have the mic pick you up, also the voices of your friends will be coming out of that device now and be a lot more public vs through a headset.

Great for X1 people if im wrong though.

#36 Posted by xyzygy (9899 posts) -

@mrfluke said:

@blu3v3nom07 said:

@mrfluke said:

thats stupid, i really dont want to be shouting at the kinect mic to be talking to friends.

I thought you weren't getting an XONE?

still aren't,

but im assuming that thing will essentially be a boom mic, thats gonna let in more noise than a headset would,and you'ill most likely have to raise your voice more to have the mic pick you up, also the voices of your friends will be coming out of that device now and be a lot more public vs through a headset.

Great for X1 people if im wrong though.

I'm pretty sure it's noise cancelling. Like you know how it can detect who has what controller, and your body in 3D and all that? Basically I think what it does is pinpoint the user who is holding the controller the same was as it does to recognize what account is playing with that controller, and cancels noise from other sources. Of course it won't work perfectly, but that's something that comes with microphones. Any type of microphone these days has that.

I remember seeing it in one of the tech demos.

#37 Posted by xyzygy (9899 posts) -

@mrfluke said:

@blu3v3nom07 said:

@mrfluke said:

thats stupid, i really dont want to be shouting at the kinect mic to be talking to friends.

I thought you weren't getting an XONE?

still aren't,

but im assuming that thing will essentially be a boom mic, thats gonna let in more noise than a headset would,and you'ill most likely have to raise your voice more to have the mic pick you up, also the voices of your friends will be coming out of that device now and be a lot more public vs through a headset.

Great for X1 people if im wrong though.

I'm pretty sure it's noise cancelling. Like you know how it can detect who has what controller, and your body in 3D and all that? Basically I think what it does is pinpoint the user who is holding the controller the same was as it does to recognize what account is playing with that controller, and cancels noise from other sources. Of course it won't work perfectly, but that's something that comes with microphones. Any type of microphone these days has that.

I remember seeing it in one of the tech demos.

#38 Posted by MonkeyKing1969 (2574 posts) -

You probably only need to talk in a normal voice for Kinect 2 to pick you up fine. But, who the heck wants to talk to their TV in a normal voice. With a headset mic you can talk in a low voice to communicate and not bother anyone else. Headsets are cheap, their are dozens of different models with prices that fit any budget, so just buy one.

Most people should drop the PS4 headset into a draw and you folks with the Xbox One should go into the settings to disable the Kinect 2 microphone. Everyone buy a good headset for you own enjoyment, for the sanity of the people in your home, and especially for the people online who have to hear your stupid voice.

#39 Posted by mikey87144 (1668 posts) -

Hopefully those headsets they sold for the PS3 will work with the PS4. According to reports from some of the higher ups they see no reason why it shouldn't but still. As for the XBO, I'm not a fan of hearing chatter coming out of my sound setup. I'm also not a fan of people hearing incidental conversation from other people around me.

#40 Posted by TheHT (10922 posts) -

Well that's unexpected. As someone who didn't get a 360 however, and thus never really used a headset on my PS3, this doesn't seem like a big loss.

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#41 Posted by MattyFTM (14348 posts) -

The kinect is supposed to have noise canceling stuff that means only your voice gets through. If it works like it's supposed to, then it'll be fine. But that's a big if.

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#42 Posted by Corvak (910 posts) -

The PS4 headset will be pretty cheap, but my existing PS3 set will work with it anyway.

Like the flimsy Xbox 360 pack-in headset, I expect most people who play a lot will probably invest in a better one anyway, on both PS4 and Xbox One.

#43 Edited by laserbolts (5314 posts) -

@reisz said:

@blu3v3nom07 said:

Kinect 2.0 will have Noise Canceling.

And the included PS4 mic looks like it'll get cut in a day.

Get cut? Why are you wearing a shirt made from scissors?

Maybe he usually looks pretty sharp.

#44 Posted by Lydian_Sel (2480 posts) -

Unless there's a whole new version of Uno then this doesn't bother me.

Uno smacktalk is the deadliest smacktalk.

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#45 Posted by Nictel (2380 posts) -

The NSA complained that the audio wasn't synced with the camera recording from the old Kinect. With Kinect 2.0 they are hoping to fix this.

#46 Posted by Live2bRighteous (315 posts) -

@ravenlight: Actually, it's going to be the complete opposite. Now that everyone has a kinect mic attached, you will hear MUCH more then just the people talking. A family discussion will probably be a common thing to hear every day.

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#48 Edited by Lord_Xp (602 posts) -

I'm hoping my Tritton 720's will work with the Ps4 if not, I'll have to buy some new ones.