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#12551 Edited by Roomrunner (811 posts) -

Gonna sound like a "puppet" here, but I bought DBry's injury. The whole thing felt slow, confusing, and not good tv. Orton, who is the worst actor in the world, wasn't sure what to do, hug and show respect to Danielson, or stay cold to The Dazzler.

Also if they planned to have Bryan chew out HHH backstage, it would have been filmed, not spoken about by Cole.

#12552 Edited by DoesitOffendYou_Yeah (137 posts) -

@mildmolasses said:

@doesitoffendyou_yeah said:

So what was the deal with Daniel Bryan? Obviously it all looked legit, especially when Orton and Bryan spent ages selling on the mat and Orton is heard swearing to the ref. But, I haven't seen much since last night and he's apparently in the main event on Smackdown so I guess he's fine?

Just good storytelling. Although I thought they were going to take it further with Orton trying to kill him, but that would have been a bit of a retread from Del Rio/Ziggler the night before.

So you think it wasn't legit? I'm skeptical, I have to say. It seemed real, but then the video on wwe.com shows them talking about the gorilla and the HHH/Bryan confrontation.. and it sort of kinda broke kayfabe a little, so I don't know, I'm perplexed on this one.

#12553 Edited by MildMolasses (3218 posts) -

@doesitoffendyou_yeah: Only because once a doctor got involved and started showing concern, there is no way Orton or the referee would have continued on with the match and they would have made a much greater effort to get Bryan to stop (ie adrenaline took over and he didn't really know what he was doing).

#12554 Edited by papercut (3467 posts) -

God dammit. I wish I was in the chat last night just for Mark Henry. That was easily the best swerve I have seen in years, even if it was telegraphed before hand. Mark Henry, you are great. I'm sorry you tore your nice dress shirt.

Also what's up with Alex Wrestling Podcast??!??!!

EDIT: So if this wrestling podcast happens it kinda has to be called the Giant Powerbomb Cast right?

#12555 Posted by DrX25 (1513 posts) -

F4W is reporting that the injury suffered by Bryan is legit and that the ending was a shoot. They then did a work with the WWE.com article about Bryan snapping at Triple H saying that he's worked through injuries and that Hunter took away his biggest win.

#12556 Edited by RipTheVeins (1546 posts) -

Slater kills it in the end of this week's Backstage Fallout:

#12557 Posted by MildMolasses (3218 posts) -
@drx25 said:

F4W is reporting that the injury suffered by Bryan is legit and that the ending was a shoot. They then did a work with the WWE.com article about Bryan snapping at Triple H saying that he's worked through injuries and that Hunter took away his biggest win.

I just re-watched the match. A major reason I have a hard time believing it was legit is the simple fact that I can't believe the improvised ending, to get a guy who is complaining about numbness out of a match, would involve side suplex onto a guard rail. I will admit that after doing a top rope drop kick that there is a lot of communication between the ref and Bryan, but even after that, Bryan is still able to to skin the cat and take the drop on the guard rail. If it's real, that's shitty. If it's all part of the show, then Bryan sold that shit well

I've been reading around and that is the only thing I've heard suggesting it was legit. I suppose tonight's taping will answer the question for us

#12558 Edited by TurboMan (7498 posts) -

@mildmolasses said:

@doesitoffendyou_yeah said:

So what was the deal with Daniel Bryan? Obviously it all looked legit, especially when Orton and Bryan spent ages selling on the mat and Orton is heard swearing to the ref. But, I haven't seen much since last night and he's apparently in the main event on Smackdown so I guess he's fine?

Just good storytelling. Although I thought they were going to take it further with Orton trying to kill him, but that would have been a bit of a retread from Del Rio/Ziggler the night before.

So you think it wasn't legit? I'm skeptical, I have to say. It seemed real, but then the video on wwe.com shows them talking about the gorilla and the HHH/Bryan confrontation.. and it sort of kinda broke kayfabe a little, so I don't know, I'm perplexed on this one.

The match was set up to sell the injury. He injured himself on the dive, but then sold it by forcing in a skinning of the cat and Orton's dropkick to the gut. Also, I don't think that Bryan would shove away a doctor if he was legit hurt.

#12559 Posted by TurboMan (7498 posts) -

@riptheveins: If Vince Russo had control of Slater during the Attitude Era, money would have poured in.

#12560 Posted by RipTheVeins (1546 posts) -

@turboman: 100% agreed. I also love that their "dressing room" is just some abandoned hallway since they're not aloud to be in the normal dressing room anymore.

At least, that's what I like to think.

#12561 Edited by RipTheVeins (1546 posts) -

Dot COM posted a gallery recently featuring sketches, or concept art, of superstars in the developmental stages if their character (like Mankind, Golddust, Max Moon, etc.).

Most of them are pretty rad. Especially if you're into 90's comic book art.

Just a few good examples:

#12562 Posted by DrX25 (1513 posts) -

Main Event Spoilers:

- The announcers are Miz, Mathews and Rhodes.

- The Shield defeated The Usos and Justin Gabriel when Ambrose pinned Gabriel.

- Antonio Cesaro w/Zeb Colter defeated Sin Cara.

- Kaitlyn defeated Aksana with the Spear.

Smackdown Cliffnotes:

- Daniel Bryan cut a promo about his match on Monday, he said they cut it short because he's the weak link. Bryan then challenged Orton, Orton came out and accepted the challenge.

- Del Rio/Jericho and Axel/Barrett for the IC Title was announced.

- Sheamus defeated Cody Rhodes, Damien Sandow was at ringside. After the match, Sandow beat up Sheamus.

- A Wyatt Family promo aired.

- Curtis Axel retained the Intercontinental Championship against Wade Barrett. The Miz was on commentary.

- AJ Lee defeated Natalya with the Black Widow.

- Backstage, Aksana made fun of Kaitlyn for her loss at Payback. Kaitlyn responded by beating the shit out of her until Layla broke it up.

- Alberto Del Rio defeated Chris Jericho by DQ when Dolph Ziggler ran out and beat up Del Rio. After the match, Del Rio ran away and Jericho gave Ziggler a Codebreaker, which, once Jericho left, lead to Del Rio coming back to kick Ziggler and pose over him.

- Christian defeated Drew McIntyre. After the match, Christian cut a promo about having ONE MORE MATCH that was interrupted by The Shield. They then gave him a Triple Powerbomb.

- Punk/Brock recap.

- Renee Young interviewed Paul Heyman about Punk/Brock and, after making fun of her, said he wouldn't comment.

- Daniel Bryan defeated Randy Orton by Count Out after a Suicide Dive. After the match, Bryan argued with the referee to restart the match, but he refused and left to end the show.

#12563 Edited by cmblasko (1177 posts) -

@riptheveins: Thanks for posting that, really interesting stuff in there. Can you imagine if Foley debuted as "Headcase" instead of Mankind?

#12564 Posted by TurboMan (7498 posts) -

Smackdown this week seems like a placeholder show, not many angles.

although, the possibility of a Dean Ambrose vs. Christian program in interesting.

Hopefully WWE is committing to saving all of the hot stuff for Raw from now on again.

#12565 Edited by damswedon (3185 posts) -

Renee Young interviewed Paul Heyman about Punk/Brock and, after making fun of her, said he wouldn't comment

I know complaining that a Heel is being a dick is stupid, but I really wish more Heels weren't dickish to the non-wrestlers.

Also that Mark Henry segment was great.

#12566 Posted by DrX25 (1513 posts) -

So, um, John Oliver and Mick Foley cut a promo on Zeb Colter on The Daily Show tonight.

#12567 Posted by papercut (3467 posts) -

@drx25 said:

So, um, John Oliver and Mick Foley cut a promo on Zeb Colter on The Daily Show tonight.

So that's why the Daily show was brought up on Raw

#12568 Posted by Rick_Fingers (524 posts) -

Those Smackdown spoilers now make me wonder whether we saw a double-turn at all.

God I hope we aren't getting another bloody Tweener

#12569 Edited by MHumphreys89 (712 posts) -

Call me a mark but I too bought BD-DB's injury. Unrelated; why did Justin Roberts announce the Christian Vs. Wade Barrett match as being for the Intercontinental Title? Also, the graphic for the belt popped-up.

#12570 Posted by WilliamHenry (1202 posts) -

Call me a mark but I too bought BD-DB's injury. Unrelated; why did Justin Roberts announce the Christian Vs. Wade Barrett match as being for the Intercontinental Title? Also, the graphic for the belt popped-up.

Did he announce the match before Christian appeared? I can't remember, but if he did, it was because it was supposed to be a Barrett/Axel rematch for the title.

#12571 Edited by MHumphreys89 (712 posts) -

@humphreys said:

Call me a mark but I too bought BD-DB's injury. Unrelated; why did Justin Roberts announce the Christian Vs. Wade Barrett match as being for the Intercontinental Title? Also, the graphic for the belt popped-up.

Did he announce the match before Christian appeared? I can't remember, but if he did, it was because it was supposed to be a Barrett/Axel rematch for the title.

Oh right, thanks for clearing that up.

#12572 Posted by MildMolasses (3218 posts) -

Renee Young interviewed Paul Heyman about Punk/Brock and, after making fun of her, said he wouldn't comment

I know complaining that a Heel is being a dick is stupid, but I really wish more Heels weren't dickish to the non-wrestlers.

Also that Mark Henry segment was great.

I also really enjoyed his comment to Matt Stryker about expecting so much more from him

#12573 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4689 posts) -

There's a nice write up on reddit about the Bryan-Orton Raw match but I don't know if linking to reddit is frown upon. I don't really just wanna copy and paste the contents of it though, seems a bit unfair, so here.

#12575 Posted by TurboMan (7498 posts) -

I really want Zeb Coulter and Antonio Cesaro to show up to The Daily Show now, sounds like it could be a lot of fun.

#12576 Posted by GorillaMoPena (2030 posts) -

I really want Colter to go on Colbert, that could be a classic segment.

#12577 Edited by DoesitOffendYou_Yeah (137 posts) -

Those Smackdown spoilers now make me wonder whether we saw a double-turn at all.

God I hope we aren't getting another bloody Tweener

This is what I'm worried about. In the Payback chat, I was one of the very few against Ziggler losing/the 'double turn' - but that was mainly because I didn't believe it was definitely a double turn.

If it is, I'm happy. But there's still enough happening to suggest that Del Rio isn't full heel, and Ziggler isn't full face.

#12578 Posted by TurboMan (7498 posts) -

I really want Colter to go on Colbert, that could be a classic segment.

I think if they start a celebrity feud between shows like that, and have Colbert and Stewart/Oliver come as managers for a payoff match on Raw in front of a NY crowd, they could possibly get some new eyes on both programs.

Foley can't rep the Daily Show though since he can't wrestle.

#12579 Edited by GorillaMoPena (2030 posts) -

@rick_fingers said:

Those Smackdown spoilers now make me wonder whether we saw a double-turn at all.

God I hope we aren't getting another bloody Tweener

This is what I'm worried about. In the Payback chat, I was one of the very few against Ziggler losing/the 'double turn' - but that was mainly because I didn't believe it was definitely a double turn.

If it is, I'm happy. But there's still enough happening to suggest that Del Rio isn't full heel, and Ziggler isn't full face.

Del Rio called the fans cowards on Monday and got himself intentionally counted out. How is he not a full heal?

#12580 Posted by Hockeymask27 (3683 posts) -

Swagger who? God tier.

#12581 Edited by Roomrunner (811 posts) -

I hope Antonio gets his fair share of mic time in promos though. He's way more capable than Swags, and is wasted saying "we the people" like a caveman.

#12582 Posted by rachelepithet (1391 posts) -

Was Paul Levesque supposed to play Max Moon? Goldust, Headcase, Undertaker, Shango were all designed seemingly after the wrestler to play the character was chosen. I mean, that's Mick Foley all right. But that ain't Konnan. Who else but Trips, Shawn, Jeff Jarrett, Billy Gunn, Bob Holly had locks like that. You'd think if it was meant for a rent-a-gimmick like Sparky, Billy, or JJ, they would have been given it without protest. But for Shawnee's BFF Jill-ple H, maybe he said fuck no, and it was given to Konnan at the last minute.

#12583 Posted by MildMolasses (3218 posts) -

@boocreepyfootdoctor: Seems unlikely. HHH only made his wrestling debut a few months before the Max Moon character showed up.

#12584 Edited by lord_canti (1507 posts) -

@turboman said:

Smackdown this week seems like a placeholder show, not many angles.

although, the possibility of a Dean Ambrose vs. Christian program in interesting.

Hopefully WWE is committing to saving all of the hot stuff for Raw from now on again.

wasnt that supposed to be Daniel Bryan vs Ambrose? ...maybe that stuff about him and hhh was true

#12586 Edited by lord_canti (1507 posts) -

@papercut said:

@drx25 said:

So, um, John Oliver and Mick Foley cut a promo on Zeb Colter on The Daily Show tonight.

So that's why the Daily show was brought up on Raw

in the make believe tv reality the daily show bit was because john Oliver was mentioned.

it is still kinda weird seeing wrestling stuff being mentioned on other shows...especially ones that focus on the news.

#12587 Edited by Roomrunner (811 posts) -

They had Foley on the show once before to do a bit on how grandstanding on the floor of Congress is a lot like cutting a wrestling promo.

#12588 Posted by TurboMan (7498 posts) -

@roomrunner: Foley is a bit of a regular on The Daily Show. He received an award at the Rally to Restore Sanity (and Fear).

Source: I was there.

#12589 Edited by papercut (3467 posts) -

In related news, this Mick Foley Santa Clause documentary looks super weird.

#12590 Edited by DrX25 (1513 posts) -

In news that will make @milkman smile, Matt Striker is going to be leaving WWE soon:

Matt Striker ‏@Matt_Striker_12m

Was just informed by @WWE that my contract will not be renewed. I am now available 4 appearances, signings seminars & wrestling. Deep breath

#12591 Edited by GorillaMoPena (2030 posts) -

Matt Striker will no longer be doing whatever he was doing for the WWE

#12592 Edited by Milkman (16618 posts) -

@drx25: This is good news for everyone. It just means that now, Raw is Renee!

#12593 Edited by Hadoken101 (757 posts) -

@milkman said:

@drx25: This is good news for everyone. It just means that now, Raw is Renee!

The best of news

#12594 Edited by papercut (3467 posts) -

#12595 Edited by damswedon (3185 posts) -

This does mean that two thirds of the greatest segment in WWE history no longer work for the WWE.

#12596 Edited by lord_canti (1507 posts) -

this is ether the best or worst thing

#12597 Edited by Rick_Fingers (524 posts) -
#12598 Edited by DrX25 (1513 posts) -

Daniel Bryan as a spokesperson for anything is kind of surreal.

Also major NXT spoilers:

Corey Graves and Adrian Neville defeated The Wyatt Family to win the NXT Tag Team Championship. The finish was Sheamus (yes, the Irish guy) taking out Bray Wyatt, distracting The Family enough for Neville to hit the CSSP.

Also, Paige defeated Emma to become the first NXT Women's Champion.

#12599 Posted by Roomrunner (811 posts) -

Matt Striker will no longer be doing whatever he was doing for the WWE

You mean saying "Ladies and gentlemen: (NAME OF WRESTLER)

*gets insulted or beaten up by said wrestler*

Yes, his service will be missed.

#12600 Edited by TurboMan (7498 posts) -

Sucks to see a true fan of the sport with a lot of knowledge of its history to be dumped like that. He isn't a vital part of the program, but he at least deserved another shot on commentary in my opinion.