The phrase "Sell Out" has been perverted into meaning anyone who makes money who did not previously make money. This is an inaccurate redefinition, so be careful when asking about Sell Outs.
Listen to the song Hooker With a Penis by Tool, that will tell you everything you need to know about sell outs. Everyone related to showbiz is a sellout. It's the name of the game.
" The phrase "Sell Out" has been perverted into meaning anyone who makes money who did not previously make money. This is an inaccurate redefinition, so be careful when asking about Sell Outs. "
I'd say sellout means artists who became famous for doing what they normally do, but then chasing the dollar and diluting their product, whatever that may be.
@Torrim: You could say that, but then you get into the nebulous grey area of if the band or artist decided to change styles on their own accord.
The phrase "sell-out" is so horrible, a phrase used by indie holier-than-thous who want to feel cooler than all the other kids because a band decided they need some cash. GUESS WHAT THIS IS AMERICA THE LAND WHERE MONEY RULES. Just because an artist desires cash dosent mean the "Horrible horrible record companies perverted the music and MADE them change".
" The phrase "Sell Out" has been perverted into meaning anyone who makes money who did not previously make money. This is an inaccurate redefinition, so be careful when asking about Sell Outs. "
Yeah im mainly after people who had something really good, but churned out something crap for money
ITT: People complaining about the bands they like becoming popular.
Nothing comes to mind right now. I'd stay away from musicians as so much of that is really driven by the desire to do new things and I think rarely it's as one sided as doing it for the money.
Go for more blatant things like commercial backing and advertising.
" Listen to the song Hooker With a Penis by Tool, that will tell you everything you need to know about sell outs. Everyone related to showbiz is a sellout. It's the name of the game. "
I came to this thread specifically to say this, but I see you already have.
" The phrase "Sell Out" has been perverted into meaning anyone who makes money who did not previously make money. This is an inaccurate redefinition, so be careful when asking about Sell Outs. "
Yeah im mainly after people who had something really good, but churned out something crap for money "
I just dont understand why people look apon it with such distain. Then some people act like it happens suddenly without the band knowing, like green day just woke up one morning and suddenly they were recording "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" nope they decided to take their band that direction.
Why should people talk down about a band who decides they want money. I mean, no one called the Beatles sell-outs when they started making Psychedelic Albums, and people should've. Just remember, people called Bob Dylan a "pop-band sell out" when he went electric, how fucked is that?
@unclejohnny79 said:
" @Bones8677 said:
" The phrase "Sell Out" has been perverted into meaning anyone who makes money who did not previously make money. This is an inaccurate redefinition, so be careful when asking about Sell Outs. "
Yeah im mainly after people who had something really good, but churned out something crap for money "
You'd probably be best to look into the realm of movies, espically horror movies.
When an artist uses his work to sell a corporation's product. Examples: Michael Jackson and the Ramones with Pepsi Rolling Stones with Microsoft Led Zeppelin and Cadillac
This Metallica just changed it's sound. It didn't do it for money. God forbid people stop playing the same music for 20+ years. They can change,it's up to them and their not sellouts for it ;) "
This. If I had the patience to say what you did @Dipstick: then I would have said it. Thanks for saying it for me.
This Metallica just changed it's sound. It didn't do it for money. God forbid people stop playing the same music for 20+ years. They can change,it's up to them and their not sellouts for it ;) "
This. If I had the patience to say what you did @Dipstick: then I would have said it. Thanks for saying it for me. "
Metallica once said they would never make a music video, And Justice for all was released and that's when the first music video came and the decline of Metallica started, think what you want, they sold out and made way more cash then they were making, I still don't know how you tards think they just changed there sound and make it seem like they are still good, Load, Reload, St.Anger and Death Magnetic all blew ass and were all a different sound, you would think they would stick to what they were good at with the first 4 albums but they decided to change there sound for the worst and making Country Metal with Load and Reload and then make Garbage Can Metal with St.Anger and then make "Were kickin it old school thrash metal.......jk " Metal with Death Magnetic
This Metallica just changed it's sound. It didn't do it for money. God forbid people stop playing the same music for 20+ years. They can change,it's up to them and their not sellouts for it ;) "
This. If I had the patience to say what you did @Dipstick: then I would have said it. Thanks for saying it for me. "
Metallica once said they would never make a music video, And Justice for all was released and that's when the first music video came and the decline of Metallica started, think what you want, they sold out and made way more cash then they were making, I still don't know how you tards think they just changed there sound and make it seem like they are still good, Load, Reload, St.Anger and Death Magnetic all blew ass and were all a different sound, you would think they would stick to what they were good at with the first 4 albums but they decided to change there sound for the worst and making Country Metal with Load and Reload and then make Garbage Can Metal with St.Anger and then make "Were kickin it old school thrash metal.......jk " Metal with Death Magnetic "
Essentially what you're asking for is for an artist to make exactly the same song for thirty years, and that's just not going to happen. It doesn't happen with artists (painters), writers, directors, and it shouldn't be expected of musical artists either. If that's what you want, you're just being hella closed minded. Metallica have the right to make whatever music they want. If they want to make pop, they can. Nobody's going to stop them, let alone some idiots who call themselves "fans". If you want to listen to Master of Puppets-style Metallica, just listen to that goddamn album over and over again. Nobody asked you to listen to the rest of their work.
Personally, I dislike their first three albums and I like the rest of their work. Load/Reload is probably my favorite work of theirs because I like its slow, hard, raw style. In the real world we lend artists the right to do whatever the want, because we don't have control over them - only they do. You can't box Metallica, just as you can't box Mark Rothko, Wassily Kandinsky, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Bryan Adams, or whoever - take your pick.
This Metallica just changed it's sound. It didn't do it for money. God forbid people stop playing the same music for 20+ years. They can change,it's up to them and their not sellouts for it ;) "
This. If I had the patience to say what you did @Dipstick: then I would have said it. Thanks for saying it for me. "
Metallica once said they would never make a music video, And Justice for all was released and that's when the first music video came and the decline of Metallica started, think what you want, they sold out and made way more cash then they were making, I still don't know how you tards think they just changed there sound and make it seem like they are still good, Load, Reload, St.Anger and Death Magnetic all blew ass and were all a different sound, you would think they would stick to what they were good at with the first 4 albums but they decided to change there sound for the worst and making Country Metal with Load and Reload and then make Garbage Can Metal with St.Anger and then make "Were kickin it old school thrash metal.......jk " Metal with Death Magnetic "
Load/Reload is probably my favorite work of theirs
I remember a group called dasboard confessional was playing where I worked, and they were doing some kind of advertising for a car company I believe, outside.
The Who Sell out was a funny album. As for later on though?...I donno. Some mess-ups it seems.
" No one said George Lucas yet? What the fuck. He is the very definition of sell-out. "
Lucas was never not about the money. He's as passionate as he ever was, he's just more comfortable being an auteur now. He's like the opposite of a sell out, he was far better when he gave a damn about public perception. Now he does whatever bullshit he wants and people pay for it. basically his fans, by enabling the shitty stuff, are the sell outs.
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