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#51 Posted by Fredchuckdave (5353 posts) -

@dudeglove: Putin knows how to get those jobs! 120,000? I want some of that shit.

#52 Posted by RVonE (4633 posts) -

@alwaysbebombing said:

@thedudeofgaming said:

@alwaysbebombing said:

Putin is already so close to tipping the scales to being another Stalin. (Though some have argued he's already there) He's going to do something real stupid soon.

Yup. He already sent millions of people to their deaths in gulags, and purged an incredible number of his perceived political adversaries as well as creating and maintaining a cult of personality.

Care to rephrase your post?

No, I'm going to keep it. He's destroyed what little democracy they had left. Pretty much anyone in a major political position is his best buddy. He's changed the rules to allow himself even more political might and stay leader as much as he wanted. He's massacred innocent people who wanted their independence, instead of just making SAR's like China did. Anyone who stands up to him lands in prison as a political prisoner. Not to mention a big part of his platform is just passing laws to thumb his nose at the West. The man is a dangerous, arrogant, leader who does not care about the Russian people in anyway.

No, he doesn't do as west dictates. That's what makes him dangerous. I'm sure you'd love to see another puppet like Yeltsin in power. Never going to happen again. If people who elected Bush, twice, not once tell you something is wrong, you must be doing something right.

Massacred innocent people who wanted their independence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

That's how they went about it, got what they deserved. Also I guess that saying rings true "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." I'll make sure to take special note, and quote it when someone attacks the US again. If you cared to read the update in the main post, you'd see that right after Russia the US is the next primary target for the radicals.

But seriously, how DO you distinguish between terrorists and freedom fighters? When my country was ruled by the Nazis, a resistance movement emerged. The resistance was opposed and denounced by those in power and I can't say that many people thought highly of the resistance since their involvement would usually cause great trouble for bystanders. Some of the more wide-scale actions of this resistance movement involved what we would now surely label as 'terrorist actions' to undermine the Nazi regime--bombing government buildings or supply roads, for example. And you know what? I'm glad that they did.

#53 Posted by Danteveli (1176 posts) -

@truthtellah said:

@thedudeofgaming said:

It's time for Putin to bring the hammer down, again. Just my personal opinion. Anyway just thought I'd share, seeing as how I didn't see a thread about this.

It's not time for that. That is what this is all about. A repressive regime pushing desperate people to resort to terrorism.

The answer to what is wrong isn't to hurt innocent civilians, and these terrorist attacks are absolutely reprehensible. But the response to them should not be for Putin to tighten his grip even further. That would be the worst response, not only for hurting average Russian citizens even further, but also because it would likely just inspire more attacks like this.

Russia doesn't need any more of a hammer coming down. They need serious reforms.

First off, it depends on the intensity of the attack. If you make it clear to the terrorists that any attack will cost them far more than Russia, they'll either stop or be eradicated.

Secondly, what of the repression of Iraq and Afghanistan? Maybe they should make a couple of attacks on US targets, so people can hear their cry for help?

Might makes right.

You know that people from these regions have been fighting for really long and they won't stop even when Putin or some other dictator will bring all the hammers down.

#54 Posted by dudeglove (7758 posts) -

@dudeglove: Putin knows how to get those jobs! 120,000? I want some of that shit.

It's a government agency that was once part of the multifaceted KGB prior to the 1991 dissolution. Considering there's about 110 million people in Russia and the population of Moscow is about 13 million, it's not that remarkable. There's more street cleaners than there are cryptogrtaphers. The NSA likely employs way more people too.

#56 Edited by ZolRoyce (667 posts) -


Might makes right.


You are obviously a very angry person, and I wouldn't expect anything else from someone whose fellow people have been attacked and killed, but you are saying some very horrible things due to that anger.
When in a state of anger have you ever known someone to do the right thing? The terrorists are angry, they killed innocent people, if Putin gets angry, he'll harm innocent people and the cycle will continue for forever.

#57 Posted by mina_mina752 (121 posts) -

same here in egypt the terrorist group 'muslim brotherhood' is tearing egypt apart...almost every day they attack army outposts

#58 Posted by avantegardener (1117 posts) -

@dudeglove: Putin knows how to get those jobs! 120,000? I want some of that shit.

So what your saying is you want to be 'Spook'in with Putes?'

*Instantly apologies for flippancy on a very serious matter.

#59 Posted by joshwent (2172 posts) -

You have to realize that the assholes who supported Bush's pointless and horrifying attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan... were saying the exact things you're saying now. And using the exact same justifications you are using now. They wouldn't be the ones telling you that you're wrong. They're on your side, dude.

"Kill 'em all!", "Nuke their asses!" are just some of the phrases I'd hear (living in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, not even a very conservative place) a whole bunch around 2002 - 2004/5. From what you're saying here, I feel like you see America or Americans as antagonists, but these ignorant masses were the ones clamoring for Bush (and yes, Obama) to "drop the hammer" on the middle east. So maybe think about all you have in common with those you criticize.

As others have said, "Violence begets violence." These horrible attacks happen because of what happened to them, and what happened to them, and what happened to them. More subjugation and oppression and what ever you think "dropping the hammer" means, is the guaranteed way sure ensure this will all happen again.

#60 Edited by Brodehouse (9863 posts) -

I don't want to grab whole quote blocks, but I agree and you are making sense.

@rvone said:

But seriously, how DO you distinguish between terrorists and freedom fighters?

The side that is willing to kill innocent civilians and spread fear in order to force those people to obey them are terrorists. If the French Resistance were burning down innocent people's homes and kidnapping civilians off the street and executing them in order to make the French population too scared to submit to the Nazis, they would be in the wrong and they would be terrorists.

#61 Edited by dudeglove (7758 posts) -

@random45 said:

I don't understand why people like this decide to kill themselves and take out so many other innocents completely unrelated to the incident they are crusading.

Sometimes the people involved in these attacks are the relatives of those killed in other conflicts - nothing hikes up recruits like gunning down someone with a lot of cousins (see any Middle Eastern conflict ever), and it's exactly what "they" want to happen. Other times they are what might be considered "normal" individuals co-opted against their will to commit such horrible deeds. Yet it might help for you to know that what has emerged in the past decade is that some of the female suicide bombers involved in previous attacks on Russian soil were utterly dehumanized through the use of psychotropic drugs and rape. The girls used are literally being "zombified" (no really, that's the term used in Russian) through a vile vetting process akin to torture. By the end of it, the only real option they have left in life is, to quote Sergey Yastrzhembsky (adviser to Putin on Chechnya back in 2003): "...blow themselves up with a bomb full of nails and ball bearings." That's not an ideology or a cause, it's just evil, and entirely symptomatic of asymmetrical warfare.

#62 Posted by mina_mina752 (121 posts) -

"why people like to kill them selves?" as an arab the answer for this question is so easy for me... most muslim men believe that they will get thousands of hoor (very beautiful women who lives in paradise) and rivers of ‏wine that can't get them drunk after they die, so they happily turn their selve into gibs in the favor of these things (which any sane person can relize it's a scam and does not exist)

"why russia is targeted by arabian suicide bombers?" becoz russia is sided with alassad in syria which angers many jihadist groups (qaeda, wahabi, hamas, etc...)

#63 Posted by jakob187 (21663 posts) -

1. All this happening right before the Olympics? Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat.

2. I don't know what's more disturbing: the attack itself or all of the people outside that just keep on walking like nothing happened. Holy shit, if that happened, I'd be trying to make sure people were alright, doing the kind of thing that most humans do and helping people. What the fuck is wrong with those people?

#64 Posted by TheHT (11133 posts) -

"why people like to kill them selves?" as an arab the answer for this question is so easy for me... most muslim men believe that they will get thousands of hoor (very beautiful women who lives in paradise) and rivers of ‏wine that can't get them drunk after they die, so they happily turn their selve into gibs in the favor of these things (which any sane person can relize it's a scam and does not exist)

"why russia is targeted by arabian suicide bombers?" becoz russia is sided with alassad in syria which angers many jihadist groups (qaeda, wahabi, hamas, etc...)

Except in Islam suicide is clearly prohibited and sends you straight to hell. Whoops.

#65 Posted by mina_mina752 (121 posts) -

@TheHT u kidding 0.o ? they don't take it as 'suicide' they take it as 'JIHAD'...they are brainwashed