@lively: Dude, the term of feminism is a broad catch-all term dealing with various schools of thought. There're gender feminists, cultural feminism, radical feminism, liberal feminism, conservative feminism, socialist feminists, sex-postive feminists etc etc. I can talk to 10 different feminists and get extremely different opinions about certain women's issues. One of the biggest criticism to modern feminists is that doesn't have a unifying message anymore. It used to be simply "equal work for equal pay" and the same basic rights as men. For some people that is what feminism still stands for. I have no problem with that. That is perfectly fine.
But somewhere after the 70's feminist movement, radical feminists began to take over the academic circles in order to legitimize feminist theory. Than came all the post modern deconstruction academic echo chamber that feminism(modern) seems to be trying to endlessly parade around. The theories of patriarchy and rape culture permeating everything in our society etc. It became more of ideology about what a group wants you to believe than what is actually the truth. To be fair, many men's rights advocate's do the same thing, as well as many religious people etc...
Ya know what, those women can continue on in those academic circles spewing it until their jaws fall off. I wouldn't dare censor any of them. But I have read enough modern feminist theory to have an educated opinion on it. I would say about 85 percent of it is complete and utter horse shit...
I don't doubt that there is a lot of self-indulgent silliness going on in academia, but I wonder if it's fair to extrapolate from that and then say the entire feminist cause has lost its way, because it certainly doesn't square with the opinions I've seen from "boots on the ground" feminists and progressives. Further, I think it's important to try to make sure your exposure is representative; I.E. if you only read the worst studies passed around as evidence that feminists are crazy, are you ignoring a larger body of work that is more sound? I'm not saying that's the case for you, but I can't be too careful with strangers on the internet, you know?
I wonder if you could point me towards some of the feminist pieces you've come across? I actually am curious to read some of it if I have time, to see what my take on it would be.
I don't mean to be rude here, but earlier you were the one who told me that the "elevator gate" thing wasn't worth defending at all, and I certainly didn't find that to be the case after I looked into it. So, basically I'd want to read things "from the horses mouth" before passing judgment based on what someone else thinks.
Again, I really am interested in trying to get more information under my belt here, I'm just cautious about making sure I get it right.