Geoff Keighley Rips on Interviewer

#101 Posted by RollingZeppelin (1365 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

That video only showcased Angry Joe's shortcomings as an interviewer, and the rant where he keeps harping on the same points over and over again just show his unprofessionalism.

Who gives a shit about the VGA's anyway, if you don't like it , don't watch it. This guy is freaking out, he's more pissed about this irrelevant game show than important issues like the fact that Republicans just blocked a bill to help 911 responders just so they could keep their precious tax cuts for the stinking rich.

In short, dude needs some fucking perspective.

#102 Posted by Sargus (656 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@blackbird415 said:

Which would you rather see the VGAs run by geoff keiley or the giant bomb staff? I think thats an easy enough answer there.

Yeah. Geoff Keighley.

Look, I LOVE the Giant Bomb guys. They're by far my favorite video game "personalities," and I've been following them since their early GameSpot days... But something like the VGAs just isn't what they do. It's what someone like Geoff does. It's really a different sort of discipline, and one the Giant Bomb guys aren't best suited for. They're perfect where they are, running their own website and doing crazy stuff. Geoff is better hosting shows and talks and all that jazz.

#103 Posted by Milkman (13988 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

This Angry Joe guy has to have some kind of mental disability. That Final Fantasy tirade is ridiculous. He claims there are "so many" MMOs that could be nominated, first he names some game I've never even heard of and then struggles to even bring up Final Fantasy. Geoff asks him if it actually came out this year, he says "Oh, no, wait. That didn't come out this year" and then starts screaming how Geoff was trying to trick him or something. Also, for the record, Final Fantasy XIV is pretty much universally since as a massive failure. 90% of the people on these forums could conduct a better interview than this idiot. How this guy managed to get even 2 minutes with Geoff Keighley (or anyone for that matter) is beyond me.

#104 Posted by TPoppaPuff (206 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Diamond:
It's easy for both people to look like jerks when one guy routinely brings the worst in everybody by attacking them personally while not being well informed. So basically his beef was that there wasn't some sham MMO category this year? If there even was a MMO category their did not deserve a winner this year anyway.

#105 Posted by owl_of_minerva (1455 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Geno: So he's not obligated to conduct himself with class and decency in a professional capacity? You have a strange outlook on life. Putting aside the fact that Joe is not a professional himself, it makes no difference to how Geoff should have behaved. He could've conducted a proper interview and shown up Joe without the ridiculous condescension that some 2nd-rate journalist is not entitled to, just saying.

#106 Posted by blackbird415 (776 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Damodar: I tend to disagree simply because of the envirnment from which the interview was conducted. In fact seeing other interview hes conducted, hes much better at presenting himself than what was represented in the VGAs video as well as a much better interviewer than other more mainstream journalists like some people at gamespot. If it was a formal interview as promised I think it would have been handled much differently. I understand making stupid mistakes like when he discusses final fantasy. On one hand it sounds really amateurish, but on another hand it was such an impromptu and rushed interview that I wouldnt be suprised if almost anyone would screw up in that situation (aside from maybe Jeff). If he was delivered what he was promised it would have been a completely different situation. What they should do is put joe on the bonus round, that would be interesting.

#107 Posted by Animasta (12766 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@owl_of_minerva said:

" @Geno: So he's not obligated to conduct himself with class and decency in a professional capacity? You have a strange outlook on life. Putting aside the fact that Joe is not a professional himself, it makes no difference to how Geoff should have behaved. He could've conducted a proper interview and shown up Joe without the ridiculous condescension that some 2nd-rate journalist is not entitled to, just saying. "

didn't he even say that this was like his 5th interview? I wouldn't even call him 2nd rate, and I wouldn't even have scheduled an interview with him. It's entirely possible someone higher up did it just as a personal prank on Geoff.

#108 Posted by Geno (6479 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Milkman: Yeah that was definitely a highlight. He blasts Geoff Keighley for "not knowing" a Final Fantasy MMO came out this year when in fact Geoff was fully aware, he was just also fully aware (unlike Joe) that it was terrible and wasn't remotely deserving of a nomination in any category. But apparently glancing at VGReleases for 5 seconds is considered the epitome of research for Angry Joe.

This guy trying to represent hardcore gamers would be like Michael Moore trying to represent anorexic people.

#109 Posted by JoelTGM (5584 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

Geoff did seem like a dick there. The questions weren't hard to answer, but Geoff just looked like he wanted to piss the guy off instead of give real answers.

#110 Posted by Gertso (40 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

It just made me dislike both of them even more.

#111 Posted by CH3BURASHKA (3912 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

This... uh... ugh...

#112 Posted by Lautaro (448 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Geno said:

" @Milkman: Yeah that was definitely a highlight. He blasts Geoff Keighley for "not knowing" a Final Fantasy MMO came out this year when in fact Geoff was fully aware, he was just also fully aware (unlike Joe) that it was terrible and wasn't remotely deserving of a nomination in any category. But apparently glancing at VGReleases for 5 seconds is considered the epitome of research for Angry Joe. This guy trying to represent hardcore gamers would be like Michael Moore trying to represent anorexic people. "

When he kept bringing up the "music game" categories and then mentioned original soundtrack i facepalmed.

#113 Posted by Hizang (8536 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

I dont know this Joe guy, but I have seen Geoff on Gametrailers, I always saw him as two faced anyway

#114 Posted by blackbird415 (776 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Sargus: I see your point, but if given the resources, not even showing any of the giant bomb people I believe they would have a better discipline at representing gaming and showing what should be shown without further degrading the stereotype of gamers as the VGAs do. I know what your saying and thats why I love the whiskey media hour more than I would ever like "the bonus round" or the VGAs. I merely saying there are much more qualified people than geoff keiley to run the VGAs and spike needs to find them. Geoff keiley can work as an internet personality with show like the bonus round, but there are other people that would give the VGAs better justice.

#115 Posted by Doctorchimp (3978 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@blackbird415: No, I know what he was saying. He CHOOSE to let the interview happen as stuff was getting ready on the carpet, he could have waited until after the show. He didn't make an attempt to try and get the interview he wanted, he just waited around (with a whole bunch of other people who weren't "angry") and flagged him down as Geoff was on his way inside the building as the show started.

If you watched the whole video, which I did and will nominate as the biggest waste of time I spent this year...take note I watched Wolfman and Clash of the titans in theaters, you'll notice at the end that Geoff was so free that he even let a press conference happen. He wasn't even supposed to show up since Joe made him go up there, he even admits it. The fact that he had such a negative agenda about how the show sucks and wanted to grill him before he even saw this year's edition speaks volumes as to his mentality about the whole thing.

Terrible journalism, Geoff may have been slightly smug but Joe was a fucking amateur in the way it was presented and in those two minutes he might have burned Geoff about his lack of knowledge afterwards but during it he just nodded along like a moron. If Joe isn't even worth my time (speaking as a kid about to watch The Daily Show to take my finals tomorrow) how is he worth Geoff's time?

On top of that Joe was a complete idiot in the video.

#116 Posted by BabyChooChoo (3579 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

Oh God no Keighley is human?!?!

But seriously, Angry Joe was asking for what happened. The fact homeboy over here tried to make a point that mother fucking DUNGEON FIGHTER ONLINE AND FINAL FANTASY 14 should have been nominated proves he doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about. I won't even start on DF, but FF14 is a train wreck to end all train wrecks. They restructured the ENTIRE team and the game has been out about 2-3 months. They're letting people play for free because they scared about losing subs. Besides WoW and LotRO probably, there's not even enough MMOs to fill the category.

Angry Joe needs to get another job. People want to talk about what's wrong with the game journalism industry and well...there's the problem.

#117 Posted by Doctorchimp (3978 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@blackbird415 said:

" @Sargus: I see your point, but if given the resources, not even showing any of the giant bomb people I believe they would have a better discipline at representing gaming and showing what should be shown without further degrading the stereotype of gamers as the VGAs do. I know what your saying and thats why I love the whiskey media hour more than I would ever like "the bonus round" or the VGAs. I merely saying there are much more qualified people than geoff keiley to run the VGAs and spike needs to find them. Geoff keiley can work as an internet personality with show like the bonus round, but there are other people that would give the VGAs better justice. "

What do you think Giantbomb's Game of The Year delegations are? It's pretty much their version of the VGA.

#118 Posted by Geno (6479 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@owl_of_minerva said:

" @Geno: So he's not obligated to conduct himself with class and decency in a professional capacity? You have a strange outlook on life. Putting aside the fact that Joe is not a professional himself, it makes no difference to how Geoff should have behaved. He could've conducted a proper interview and shown up Joe without the ridiculous condescension that some 2nd-rate journalist is not entitled to, just saying. "

I think given the circumstances Geoff conducted himself just fine. Joe literally knew nothing about what he was talking about. He came to the VGAs to blast Geoff about how it doesn't represent the hardcore gamers, but only proved how little about hardcore gaming he knows himself, and Geoff merely corrected him with facts.

"DO YOU THINK IT'S PROOPER DAT INDIE GAMEZ BE REPRESENT BY MOWNTAIN DOO GEOFF??? HUH???"
"Our indie games category will be presented by Guillermo del Toro this year."

"WHY FINAL FANTASY MMO NO WIN BEST RPG???"
"The Final Fantasy MMO released this year? :/ "

'ALL YOR GAMES ARE RIGGED AND PICKED BY SPONSORS AMIRITE???"
"Our games are nominated and voted for by top industry gaming journalists and also regular gamers. This is public knowledge."

Joe was shockingly bad in the interview, an affront to hardcore gamers more than the VGAs, and I think Geoff gave him his just desserts.

#119 Posted by owl_of_minerva (1455 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Laketown: GK's distinction is that he did one or two investigative pieces in his life. That might be titanic in the vg enthusiast press, but it isn't anything special by the standards of journalism itself. As for your surmise that it was a joke, that seems like a long bow to say the least. The whys and wherefores don't really matter, how you behave in front of the public reflects on your person: GK is clearly an arrogant cunt. I don't watch Angry Joe's show, but which one is 'better' isn't the issue, at least not for me.

#120 Posted by Sargus (656 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@blackbird415 said:

" @Sargus: I see your point, but if given the resources, not even showing any of the giant bomb people I believe they would have a better discipline at representing gaming and showing what should be shown without further degrading the stereotype of gamers as the VGAs do. I know what your saying and thats why I love the whiskey media hour more than I would ever like "the bonus round" or the VGAs. I merely saying there are much more qualified people than geoff keiley to run the VGAs and spike needs to find them. Geoff keiley can work as an internet personality with show like the bonus round, but there are other people that would give the VGAs better justice. "

The problem with the VGAs, though, isn't Geoff... It's Spike. Spike isn't going to find someone better suited or "more qualified" for the VGAs because they have no interest whatsoever in building up respect for the game industry or anything else. They're a television channel for men, typically crude and brutish men at that, and that's what they want the VGAs to appeal to. And at the moment, they do. Ratings for young adult males watching the VGAs were apparently really good, TV-wise. That's all Spike cares about. That's why the VGAs won't improve unless they get worse and start losing tons of viewers. The game industry needs something else entirely if they want to balance things out. It's like the MTV Movie Awards vs. the Oscars. We need a more Oscar-like show.

#121 Posted by Milkman (13988 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

Wow, I kept watching and those questions he asked during that press meeting with Geoff were ridiculous. And I don't know why he keeps saying that no one knows how the awards are decided. The awards have been decided the same way for years. I can't believe people actually watch this garbage.

#122 Posted by Sargus (656 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Doctorchimp said:

" @blackbird415 said:
" @Sargus: I see your point, but if given the resources, not even showing any of the giant bomb people I believe they would have a better discipline at representing gaming and showing what should be shown without further degrading the stereotype of gamers as the VGAs do. I know what your saying and thats why I love the whiskey media hour more than I would ever like "the bonus round" or the VGAs. I merely saying there are much more qualified people than geoff keiley to run the VGAs and spike needs to find them. Geoff keiley can work as an internet personality with show like the bonus round, but there are other people that would give the VGAs better justice. "
What do you think Giantbomb's Game of The Year delegations are? It's pretty much their version of the VGA. "

No, that's just choosing awards. Which, don't get me wrong, is really tough (obviously. The GB guys have been locked in that podcast room for an INSANE amount of time), but it's not a SHOW. Especially not a show meant to air on television for millions of people, where entertainment value is such a huge factor. GB does a fantastic podcast and some fantastic video content, but it's fantastic for US, in this little niche of the internet. They're not true award show hosts, and I'm sure they'd tell you that themselves.

#123 Posted by Doctorchimp (3978 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Milkman: Be more afraid of the people who defend that garbage...

Then people wonder how Fox News shows get off the ground or how FF XIV gets released....there are crazy people for everything.

#124 Posted by blackbird415 (776 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Doctorchimp: Yes joe screwed up bad and he admits it. He appologized to his fans.

@Doctorchimp said:

" @blackbird415: If Joe isn't even worth my time (speaking as a kid about to watch The Daily Show to take my finals tomorrow) how is he worth Geoff's time? "

worth is perceptive. Plenty of people watch his show and love it. I never heard of him before this, but I give people the benefit of the doubt. Also its hard to compare an independent journalist to the daily show as far as content goes. Thats just a ridiculous comparison.

I did watch the whole video and it wasnt negativity he was pushing, but constructive criticism ( which theres a big lack of in the public commmunity)

@Doctorchimp said:

" @blackbird415: On top of that Joe was a complete idiot in the video. "

What angry simply wanted was to show hey the VGAs arent perfect. Theyve done xyz and would like to know possibilities for improvement.
What angry Joe was trying to do was say this are some areas of the show that have had many complaints, what are some future plans for the show
to better represent gamers? If Geoff Keiley has any brain cells (which he more than likely does) it could have easily been a positive interview and given
a better perspective as to the decisions for the VGAs and maybe the VGAs could get more respect if that type of interview was conducted, but it didnt happen.
@Doctorchimp said:

" @blackbird415: you'll notice at the end that Geoff was so free that he even let a press conference happen. He wasn't even supposed to show up since Joe made him go up there, he even admits it. "

When in the video? Where in the video does anyone ever say that Geoff freely gave a press conference and wasnt even supposed to. Where does anyone say that Joe made him go up there? Geoff may run the VGAs and have a level of power, but he
also has a responsibility to represent the company in the best manner he can and obviously he couldn't do his job a responsible representative of Spike tv

so show me those time codes. Where are they?

#125 Posted by Stubert73 (79 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

I remember a poised Keighley defending Mass Effect against a gaggle of ignorant panelists on Fox. Even if he was the jerk-off that Angry Joe thinks he is, the man deserves a break for not being able to always put his best foot forward on what had to be a very stressful evening (for both of them).

#126 Posted by Driadon (2915 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

Bad on both ends. Joe was not prepared, and, well, that led to Geoff not taking the interview seriously.

#127 Posted by Doctorchimp (3978 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Sargus: The question was what Giantbomb would with the VGAs, you said so yourself they aren't Television hosts. This is what they want to do and I doubt they would ever do a television show anyway. I just thought it was kind of weird, or at least the way I read it, how there was this vibe of "what would giantbomb do?" and we have it...

Keep in mind they have a lot more stuff than last year's video quick looks and top 10 lists with podcasts this time.

#128 Posted by blackbird415 (776 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Sargus: I agree with you on that one. My statement was more in suggestion to rather change the VGAs to something similar to the oscars, but yes spike isnt a channel that would do such a responsible thing. I just wish it could and I think if more questions are raised in the gaming community. If IGN and gamespot etc. stepped up and said no we will not support the degradation of this media then maybe thered be more responsible media coverage, and maybe just maybe people like us would be taken more seriously.

#129 Posted by HydraHam (1338 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

Geoff has always been a douche bag and a complete dick, not a fan of angry joe but i have to take his side, i have met geoff twice and both times he was incredibly rude and excuse my language a fucking asshole.

#130 Posted by Shadow (4877 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

If some random internet asshole I'd never heard of started openly insulting the thing I'd just spent the last several months preparing for live television, I'd probably behave in a similar way.

#131 Posted by Sargus (656 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Doctorchimp said:

" @Sargus: The question was what Giantbomb would with the VGAs, you said so yourself they aren't Television hosts. This is what they want to do and I doubt they would ever do a television show anyway. I just thought it was kind of weird, or at least the way I read it, how there was this vibe of "what would giantbomb do?" and we have it... Keep in mind they have a lot more stuff than last year's video quick looks and top 10 lists with podcasts this time. "

No, the question was, "Would we rather have Geoff Keighley in charge of the VGAs or the Giant Bomb guys?" What I'm saying is that they're completely different things, and I would NOT want to see the Giant Bomb guys do the VGAs (Jeff has voted for the games, before, I believe. That's as close as we should get). And I'm not saying it should be an either/or situation. I LOVE Giant Bomb's Game of the Year stuff. I PREFER it over the VGAs any day of the week (I don't even like the VGAs. Didn't watch them this year). I'm just saying that the folks behind Giant Bomb wouldn't be fit to to the Spike TV Video Game Awards, because it's a completely different beast than what they do on a daily basis here on GiantBomb.com. There's no value judgment there. I'm not saying the VGAs are better or anything like that. I'm just saying that Geoff Keighley has skills and tlents in areas that the Giant Bomb guys don't, and that's not in any way a bad thing. It's just a thing. Geoff wouldn't be fit to run Giant Bomb, either.

#132 Posted by Dany (7877 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

People tend to forget that he is kinda the only notable face for video games on TV besides Sessler and Webb

#133 Posted by HydraHam (1338 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@xobballox said:

" Not really a fan of either of the dudes, but if someone acted like this to me in an interview, I would probably be a dick back. Geoff really didn't over-react in my opinion. Joe was being an ass and had a holier-than-thou attitude the whole time. "

Really? Geoff was being a complete asshole the entire interview, you could clearly see joe trying to conduct an actual semi professional interview with real questions, not that soft bullshit IGN and gamespot ask, i think it's astonishing at the backing that geoff gets and the hate joe gets.. especially from a crowed who did nothing but shit on the vgas and put down GT on a daily basis.

#134 Posted by chrissedoff (1694 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

looks like joe is bashing geoff to cover for his own lack of preparation

#135 Posted by blackbird415 (776 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Doctorchimp: Yeah Sargus got what I meant. They do a show every friday though. Its not on tv, but damned if its the closest thing independent journalists have to it. I just think that there are more responsible ways to handle things than what spike tv and Geoff have shown. If we can get journalists to really rally together to make a true oscars of gaming then I believe it would be a right step in the direction, but to me the VGAs in the general publics eye pushes the gaming culture 2 steps back. Do I really care about Angry Joe? no. Do I like what his intent was? yes. Its asking why the VGAs aren't more serious and begs the question cant there be a more serious award show that appeals to the same audience that spike is going after?

Angry Joe isnt an established journalist. Hes not the most experienced or even that great of a journalist, but what I did like is what he trying to get at. Hes not the most articulate or the most mentally connected (I know I wouldn't given those situations)

#136 Posted by Doctorchimp (3978 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@blackbird415: I'm gonna run through your comments on my post, because I'm not sure how to quote someone as well as you just did so I'll just number them off. I'm starting with the "not worth my time" comment.

1) His worth was determined by him foaming at the mouth over an MMO category without giving a concrete list of competitors and then agreeing with Geoff during the interview during the times he was wrong. Afterwards though Joe then blasts Geoff for being wrong and not knowing anything. While he didn't know anything during the interview either...that's called hypocrisy. I don't like hypocrites. By all means deem him worthy. I also wasn't comparing it to the Daily Show, I was pointing out I'm just a kid about to watch something on TV with nothing much to do.

And if he wasn't pushing negativity I'd like to know how that counts as constructive criticism, he flat out attacked Geoff about Jenna Jameson and wouldn't shut up about it even though Geoff wasn't with Spike until 2007. Which he could have researched...and he didn't research at all...what a class act.

2) I'm super stoked Angry Joe was on the job to show the VGAs aren't perfect, I was really losing sleep at their credibility to sling some commercials at me. By the way as I've already pointed out he did no research, he really didn't give a shit about where the show was going. He just wanted to more or less have Geoff answer e-mails from his fans about how much his show sucked. He would have done some research if he cared.

3) Okay you didn't catch it...I'll point it out to you. I'm typing right before I go into that black abyss FOR YOU.

OH GOD, goddamn it 14:30 until around 14:45. Jesus fucking christ...you're welcome.

#137 Posted by Geno (6479 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Doctorchimp: Brave soul, someone would have to pay me hefty sums of money to watch that shit again.

#138 Posted by Doctorchimp (3978 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Sargus said:

" @Doctorchimp said:
" @Sargus: The question was what Giantbomb would with the VGAs, you said so yourself they aren't Television hosts. This is what they want to do and I doubt they would ever do a television show anyway. I just thought it was kind of weird, or at least the way I read it, how there was this vibe of "what would giantbomb do?" and we have it... Keep in mind they have a lot more stuff than last year's video quick looks and top 10 lists with podcasts this time. "
No, the question was, "Would we rather have Geoff Keighley in charge of the VGAs or the Giant Bomb guys?" What I'm saying is that they're completely different things, and I would NOT want to see the Giant Bomb guys do the VGAs (Jeff has voted for the games, before, I believe. That's as close as we should get). And I'm not saying it should be an either/or situation. I LOVE Giant Bomb's Game of the Year stuff. I PREFER it over the VGAs any day of the week (I don't even like the VGAs. Didn't watch them this year). I'm just saying that the folks behind Giant Bomb wouldn't be fit to to the Spike TV Video Game Awards, because it's a completely different beast than what they do on a daily basis here on GiantBomb.com. There's no value judgment there. I'm not saying the VGAs are better or anything like that. I'm just saying that Geoff Keighley has skills and tlents in areas that the Giant Bomb guys don't, and that's not in any way a bad thing. It's just a thing. Geoff wouldn't be fit to run Giant Bomb, either. "

Oh okay so we agree. Luchadeer for life?

#139 Posted by Thunderhead (14 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

I think this article perfectly sums up how I feel about this whole situation.
http://thebusystreet.com/2010/12/14/angry-joe-plays-hardball-and-strikes-out/

#140 Posted by Doctorchimp (3978 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Geno: I do it for the people.

#141 Posted by csl316 (4718 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

I think Keighley handled himelf as best he could. It seems he knew who Joe was, asking if he was gonna rip the VGA's. Since the guy did a segment last year called "Why Spike's Video Game Awards Suck Balls," you'd obviously expect an interview full of loaded questions and provocation. Not exactly expecting high journalistic integrity, and the bone to pick comment pretty much set the tone.

Keighley answered his questions and gave him the light of day, but the guy responded like a douche, took away the mic mid answer, and showed no professionalism. Yeah, there's stuff that needs to be improved at the VGA's. But don't act like an ass if you want any sort of respect.

#142 Posted by Sargus (656 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Doctorchimp And death, sure.

@blackbird415 said:

" @Doctorchimp: Yeah Sargus got what I meant. They do a show every friday though. Its not on tv, but damned if its the closest thing independent journalists have to it. I just think that there are more responsible ways to handle things than what spike tv and Geoff have shown. If we can get journalists to really rally together to make a true oscars of gaming then I believe it would be a right step in the direction, but to me the VGAs in the general publics eye pushes the gaming culture 2 steps back. Do I really care about Angry Joe? no. Do I like what his intent was? yes. Its asking why the VGAs aren't more serious and begs the question cant there be a more serious award show that appeals to the same audience that spike is going after? Angry Joe isnt an established journalist. Hes not the most experienced or even that great of a journalist, but what I did like is what he trying to get at. Hes not the most articulate or the most mentally connected (I know I wouldn't given those situations) "

The problem is that Angry Joe is doing more harm than good for this cause, noble as it may be. He's unprofessional, many would call him annoying, and he honestly makes himself look bad on several occasions. Him fighting against the VGAs doesn't help the situation at all - it hurts it. He could have sent a much better message if he had been more prepared and more professional, but he may not be capable of it. That's not entirely his fault - he has a niche fanbase and he caters to it. But it's not serious journalism, so it's not what we need in the fight for a serious award show.

#143 Posted by blackbird415 (776 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Doctorchimp: So jesus is fucking himself?

theres the quote button by the reply button. It automatically pops the persons post into your reply just for future reference ( though it does have issues if the persons post is on a different page).

yeah I didnt catch it, but thank you for pointing it out.

Yes angry joe really isnt the right personality to be asking those questions, but I simply think its a good subject matter to be questioning media outlets as to their respective content.

@Doctorchimp said:

" @Milkman: Be more afraid of the people who defend that garbage... Then people wonder how Fox News shows get off the ground or how FF XIV gets released....there are crazy people for everything. "

I think theres alot more to ffXIV than crazy people. Not only is there a cultural seperation (Japanese games arent generally popular aside from the rarety of final fantasy and mario), but a team of people having to spend the amount of time they do making a game is a serious reason why so many games arent good such as ffXIV. Theres a a sort of developer bubble where time freezes and if your lucky your game matches whats good out in the market. Its ridiculously tough to make a game, let alone a good one.
I wont buy FFXIV, but its not to say that there arent hundreds of people behind making the game. When making a game everything makes sense to the developer because there making it, its especially difficult to step back and see it for what it really is and its a serious rarity for developers to be able to do that.

#144 Posted by SamFo (1491 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

that angry joe guy got destroyed... and he sounds like a total dick, sorry but I'm with Geoff on this..

#145 Posted by RandomInternetUser (6779 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Styl3s said:

" @xobballox said:
" Not really a fan of either of the dudes, but if someone acted like this to me in an interview, I would probably be a dick back. Geoff really didn't over-react in my opinion. Joe was being an ass and had a holier-than-thou attitude the whole time. "
Really? Geoff was being a complete asshole the entire interview, you could clearly see joe trying to conduct an actual semi professional interview with real questions, not that soft bullshit IGN and gamespot ask, i think it's astonishing at the backing that geoff gets and the hate joe gets.. especially from a crowed who did nothing but shit on the vgas and put down GT on a daily basis. "

Like I said, I'm not a fan of either, and I didn't say Geoff wasn't an asshole; he was. Joe started off the interview being kind of hostile already "I've got a bone to pick with this guy" and worded his questions much more aggressively than need-be. Instead of saying something like "A big complaint from gamers about the show is <insert complaint>." he asked it in more of a "This part of the show is pretty bad. What are you going to do to fix it?" kind of way. And he did ask questions about that stuff like it wasn't already known that there was going to be a PC GOTY category, that there weren't sponsored GOTY awards, etc. Geoff was obviously busy at the time and reacted like an ass, as I believe most people would when approached with aggressive questions.

#146 Posted by Vodun (2364 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

Watched the clip, watched some of his videos on his site, dude's not worth the air I breathe, moving on.

#147 Posted by Geno (6479 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

#148 Posted by Geno (6479 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

#149 Posted by BabyChooChoo (3579 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

@Geno: I don't know if its because it's late and I'm tired, but I'm sitting here cracking the hell up right now

#150 Posted by Landon (3963 posts) - 2 years, 5 months ago

Geoff Keighley

Geoff Keighley is an executive producer of GameTrailers TV, and hosts Spike TV's GTTV. He is also the co-chair of the Game Critics Awards.

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