" @crunchUK: Sadly, yes.
 "

surprised at how this thread is still alive but there is one in the forza forums thats similar and nobody cares. clearly there is a lot of 360 fanboys on here. 

" surprised at how this thread is still alive but there is one in the forza forums thats similar and nobody cares. clearly there is a lot of 360 fanboys on here.  "

" Hopefully they have all of the trailers from E3 on PSN and XBL in HD soon.

You give Philadelphia a bad name

lol wut

" @TwoOneFive said:

" Hopefully they have all of the trailers from E3 on PSN and XBL in HD soon.

This is a tad bit late and might be a stupid question, but why would a PS3 exclusive game published by Sony have its trailers up on XBL. Now I know some will call me retarded but it just seems a tad bit strange in my eyes. "

People tout Forza as they can actually play it.  It has had a sequel since the last GT game has been in development.

Gran Turismo will always have more cars and what not, but it will never match Forza 3's customization and that's what makes Forza so special.  It's easy for a beginner to pick up and play, but those with plenty of technical know how also are able to enjoy it to it's full extent.

Well it will be better than Forza when GT5 releases 5 years from now.

The reason the GT5 devs are taking so long is because it takes time to copy every feature from the Forza games.
 
And as others have said, Burnout > all.

Is that still not out?  I have been enjoying Forza for a while now.  And that GT time trial demo was gay.  Seriously, I get the feeling Yamauchi is the biggest bitch in the world.

I'm a pretty old dude so I know the story behind Gran Turismo and how ground-breaking and mind-blowing the original was, but I can't help but wonder:
 
Do the kids and 20somethings out there nowadays have any idea why fans of the franchise are sooo rabid about this game?
Short of it's legacy and title does it really stand out from the crowd as much as some people seem to think it does?
Has the franchise been boiled down to little more than "The Playstation's big-name exclusive racer"?
 
Polyphony really has their work cut out for them, and I'm not sure if any amount of extra dev time would ever create the game fans are selling it as.
 
...oh yeah, and I'm so curious what the total production cost of this game will be when it's all said and done.

Yeah but Forza is a real game that exists.  GT5 is like a theoretical construct.

I think what people are failing to realize is the logical factual side of the argument - There have been 3 forza games (2 of which are rated higher than 90 on metacritic) in the space of 0 GT games. Really, how much better than 92 out of 100 can nearly 6 years possibly be worth? 
 
As for my opinion, there's only so much you can simulate. I don't see GT5 with brake temperatures, humidity that affects downforce, varying degrees of tarmac wear... and even if it did, nobody other than the craziest most no-life nerd will notice. The majority of people don't even know the existence of these things.I think turn10 has realized this, and in forza 3 has focused on other aspects that make the game so much richer than more detailed simulation.  
 
Polyphony seem to have completely lost touch with reality, basically. Forza 3 is a sim made exciting in so many ways, GT5 is still... just a sim. And you can't even really argue that it's a better one.

" I think what people are failing to realize is the logical factual side of the argument - There have been 3 forza games (2 of which are rated higher than 90 on metacritic) in the space of 0 GT games. Really, how much better than 92 out of 100 can nearly 6 years possibly be worth?  As for my opinion, there's only so much you can simulate. I don't see GT5 with brake temperatures, humidity that affects downforce, varying degrees of tarmac wear... and even if it did, nobody other than the craziest most no-life nerd will notice. The majority of people don't even know the existence of these things.I think turn10 has realized this, and in forza 3 has focused on other aspects that make the game so much richer than more detailed simulation.   Polyphony seem to have completely lost touch with reality, basically. Forza 3 is a sim made exciting in so many ways, GT5 is still... just a sim. And you can't even really argue that it's a better one. "

I'm sure it'll be good... but I'm burned out on racing games for now. Sorry.

" @crunchUK said:

" I think what people are failing to realize is the logical factual side of the argument - There have been 3 forza games (2 of which are rated higher than 90 on metacritic) in the space of 0 GT games. Really, how much better than 92 out of 100 can nearly 6 years possibly be worth?  As for my opinion, there's only so much you can simulate. I don't see GT5 with brake temperatures, humidity that affects downforce, varying degrees of tarmac wear... and even if it did, nobody other than the craziest most no-life nerd will notice. The majority of people don't even know the existence of these things.I think turn10 has realized this, and in forza 3 has focused on other aspects that make the game so much richer than more detailed simulation.   Polyphony seem to have completely lost touch with reality, basically. Forza 3 is a sim made exciting in so many ways, GT5 is still... just a sim. And you can't even really argue that it's a better one. "

Are you really comparing Die Hard car guys to nerds with no lives because of technical aspects in the simulation, really? really? "

" Seconded "

Is it fanboy debate time already?  Good.  There's nothing good on TV right now anyways, and now I have something to watch.

" @TwoOneFive: Hokay, 1. stop trolling. 2. Forza 3's amazing, there's nothing you can possibly do to deny that. The livery editor, marketplace and driving are fantastic. 3. That said, GT5 had better be better than all 3 of the Forza games combined. Because that's how long this has been in development. That's sad. This game would have to be the best GAME in the world, not to mention the best driving game of all time, to make up for how long its freakin taken them. Oh by the way, there was just another delay, its not coming out till the fall. Which means 3 forza games + another year tacked on. "

"  @TwoOneFive said: 

"  @TripMasterMunky said: 

" Yeah, Forza definitely has better AI and more realistic handling. Each car feels unique. In GT, everything just feels...off.GT is cool and all, but I don't think there's any way it could beat Forza now. "

how do you know? gt5 isn't even out yet.  
we'll compare AI once the game is out.  

Um, because I've played GT1-4? Not to mention there was that prologue too. I don't know what Forza 3 will handle like either, I've never played it, but I'm relating to previous entries in the series. "

I like Forza 3.  Prove me wrong.

GT fans must be the most patient people ever. In the span of five years, I would take three excellent games over a whole bunch of trailers and a $30 demo.

 God, OP fucken sucks. Why would you bump this embarrassment? Let it die!

This fanboy fest has gone just about far enough. Let's try to take a more objective and less personal approach to discussing the differences between games and systems, people. This isn't System Wars and it never will be.