I don't really like Mass Effect 2

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#1 Posted by Hizang (8533 posts) -

Everybody has been saying how fantastic that game is, it won a bunch of awards and even GOTY award 2010. So I picked it up on the PS3 and haven't really enjoyed much of it so far. I've played it for about 3-4 hours or so, I've recruited alot of members into the party and now I'm at the point where I am fighting collectors for the first time. Don't get me wrong the game has its good points, but so far the story is dull, the combat is too slow and I don't really like the control setup to much.  
 
I'm not a 11 year old kid who just sits on his 360 and plays cod all day, I enjoy story driven single player games alot, Metal Gear Solid, Heavy Rain etc. But I just can't get into Mass Effect, does the story or gameplay get better later on in the game, or am I just doing somthing wrong?
 

#2 Posted by Slaker117 (4835 posts) -

The overarching story is actually pretty weak. The interesting stuff comes from the characters and their loyalty missions.

#3 Posted by CptChiken (1987 posts) -

i dont understand how EA can expect PS3 play to get into mass effect 2, because none of them have played the first mass effect. I think  if you had you would be more into the story because you yourself would have had much more of an effect on it and you'd notice all the little nods in 2s story to things that happened in the first. 
 
but the game deffinatly gets better in the last half.

#4 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -

There's nothing wrong with that. 
 
I enjoyed it, though.

#5 Posted by ReyGitano (2467 posts) -
@CptChiken said:
" i dont understand how EA can expect PS3 play to get into mass effect 2, because none of them have played the first mass effect. I think  if you had you would be more into the story because you yourself would have had much more of an effect on it and you'd notice all the little nods in 2s story to things that happened in the first.  but the game deffinatly gets better in the last half. "
My friend just finished playing through Mass Effect 2 on his PS3, without ever playing the first game. Then it played it twice again. He fell in love with the game, so I understand why you would release the second game even without releasing the original, but I agree that it is a bit of an odd. Even so, I'm sure there are a lot of people out there who appreciate being able to play through the game. 
 
Sorry to hear you're not liking it so far Hizang, but if you get to the loyalty missions and still aren't feeling, then nothing else will change that.
#6 Posted by doejonathan (172 posts) -
@Hizang: I can understand getting into ME2 without having played the original might be a bit of a leap. I don't think the gameplay will draw you in if it hasn't grabbed you already, although, looking back at how many times I had to start up Fallout 3 before I finally understood what the big draw was might also be true for you with ME2.  A big part for me was the connection I have with my main Shepard, having the responsibility to create a proper dramatic story buildup.  
Of course, it could be the game isn't working for you, it happens, it's expensive, but it happens. 
The only thing I see you are doing wrong is liking Heavy Rain, but don't worry about that, even the BAFTA awards couldn't tell bad storytelling if it hit the in the face. (Disclaimer: I'm joking of course...well... ).
#7 Posted by BeachThunder (11709 posts) -

Well, to be honest, there really isn't much of a story, the majority of the game is actually just the loyalty missions.

#8 Posted by TheSeductiveMoose (3617 posts) -

Not really, if you didn't enjoy the recruitment missions there's not much to look forward to. In my opinion the ending was the worst part of the game.
 
And: @Slaker117 said:

" The overarching story is actually pretty weak. The interesting stuff comes from the characters and their loyalty missions. "
Yeah, this.
#9 Edited by Dany (7887 posts) -
@TheSeductiveMoose said:

" Not really, if you didn't enjoy the recruitment missions there's not much to look forward to. In my opinion the ending was the worst part of the game.
 
And: @Slaker117 said:

" The overarching story is actually pretty weak. The interesting stuff comes from the characters and their loyalty missions. "
Yeah, this. "
The ending was the best part of the game. Playing that game for the first time when it was released and not having a clue how every decision would stack up and lead to a suicidal mission was great. Sure, we look back and can notice how structured the ending was but it was a real achievment.
 
ME2 is less overarching story and more about the characters which was OK. It did some fine things to progress the story. The combat is much different from the first game and is very paced, once you get into a rhythm in the game, it is simply fun. I really enjoyed the combat in ME2, especially as a adept or vanguard
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#10 Posted by JJWeatherman (14557 posts) -
@TheSeductiveMoose said:
" In my opinion the ending was the worst part of the game.  "
You didn't like the suicide mission? I thought it was exciting. That boss was really the only issue, but the issue was just that it was a bit dumb and cheesy. 
 
I dunno, good ending overall I thought.
#11 Edited by TheSeductiveMoose (3617 posts) -
@JJWeatherman said:

" @TheSeductiveMoose said:

" In my opinion the ending was the worst part of the game.  "
You didn't like the suicide mission? I thought it was exciting. That boss was really the only issue, but the issue was just that it was a bit dumb and cheesy.  I dunno, good ending overall I thought. "
I felt that it was anti-climatic and rather chessy, and I felt that I wasn't given the proper choices in the end. The boss was also really dumb.
 
But that's just my opinion, I get that others might have liked it
 
@Dany:
You might wanna think about removing the spoiler.
#12 Posted by IBurningStar (2160 posts) -

The game is all about the characters.They are the story. Which makes sense because of what it builds to and how it can possibly play out. The plot of it is pretty much this.
 
Establish events that explain your motives and goal.
Start recruiting team.
Intermission like major plot segment.
Finish recruiting/character stories.
Final missions.
 
That is the game in a nutshell.

#13 Posted by dagas (2748 posts) -

I take it you have not played ME1, I bet that's at least part of the reason.  
 
Everyone have games that they don't like despite everyone else praising them. I for example never understood what was so good about Gears of War and didn't care for GTA4 much. Never understood why Zelda OoT is considered to be so great either despite my favorite video game magazine giving it 100/100 at the time. 
 
I've loved Bioware's games since at least KotOR. The story in their games is not about the overall story, but rather about the characters. The overall story is just a setting, same in Dragon Age. The story feels more like an excuse to get a bunch of party members together. If you don't like that sort of storytelling then you probably don't like their games.

#14 Posted by Akeldama (4238 posts) -

"So let me get this straight, Bioware. You intend to make an RPG without looting? Weird. And you plan on adding ammo when there wasn't ammo before? Weirder. Wait a second...aren't you just making a weak ass Gears clone?" 
 
"Yea pretty much...but we made a really good story where you can talk to dudes!" 

#15 Posted by EveretteScott (1449 posts) -
@Slaker117 said:
" The overarching story is actually pretty weak. The interesting stuff comes from the characters and their loyalty missions. "
I like the Reaper stuff :(
#16 Posted by Castiel (2533 posts) -

Yeah well then... I... I... YEAH WELL THEN I DON'T LIKE YOU!... BOOM! 
 
nah just kidding.

#17 Posted by Slaker117 (4835 posts) -
@EveretteScott:  The fiction is fine, but it's only the simplest of frame work for the real meat of the game, your crew.
#18 Posted by Hizang (8533 posts) -
@dagas:
I love Ocarina of Time...
#19 Posted by Bigrhyno (505 posts) -

What class did you pick? The combat may not be that fun if the one you picked doesn't fit your playstyle. Your class choice influences the gameplay dramatically.

#20 Posted by DrBendo (240 posts) -

My opinion is roughly the same regarding ME1. I've tried to get into it, but it just isn't very good. I plated about five hours and then let it collect dust until I found the sequel for $7. I tried the game again with a different class, and it was still the same slog.
 
There are things about it that are great, but the game is essentially well-polished mediocrity. The combat feels incredibly generic, as does the story. As Bland Space Opera #432, there isn't much to it in the grand scheme. That being said, it's very well executed banality. The story isn't interesting or original in any way, but it is consistent (which is a trait more rare than one would think). While the characters are the same stock cross-section you'll find in any science fiction, each one has a distinct voice; their diction and tone is maintained well. There's a great deal of fiction that has been put behind the game's world (granted, it's still generic sci-fi blather, but the quantity is impressive.), and the way the levels of back-story are revealed is effective. The writing is pretty good for a game with believable, natural sounding dialog, and the dialog-tree system is top-notch. You're presented with options that capture the tone of possible routes without just telling you exactly what you're about to say, which cuts down on the redundancy of many games. Damned near everything about the game feels very deliberate.
 
I see why those who can get into the same sci-fi tropes that have been presented for the last forty years love the game. But if you're nonplussed after a few hours, it's probably just not for you. For all I've played, the game hasn't gotten better. I like the cut of Bioware's jib, and I'd like to enjoy one of their games someday, but the core of everything they've done just bores the hell out of me. If they'd move away from doing the most typical space opera sci-fi and high fantasy, I could probably get interested. I'd love to see what they could do with horror or dark cyber-punk; hell, maybe a Victorian crime story. It seems a shame that their talents keep going to the most played-out genres possible.

#21 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

Read a book if you don't like playing games.

#22 Posted by tourgen (4427 posts) -
@keyhunter said:
" Read a book if you don't like playing games. "
good advice
#23 Posted by EpicSteve (6479 posts) -

You're allowed to have a different opinion than the masses. 

#24 Posted by ThePickle (4155 posts) -
@EpicSteve said:
" You're allowed to have a different opinion than the masses.  "
Yeah basically. I loved ME2, but you don't. No big deal. At least you're not one of those crazy people that say that Mass Effect 1 is better. 
#25 Posted by Winternet (8006 posts) -

Mass Effect is more about its amazing Universe and its characters than its story.

#26 Posted by Animasta (14648 posts) -
@HandsomeDevil said:
" @EpicSteve said:
" You're allowed to have a different opinion than the masses.  "
Yeah basically. I loved ME2, but you don't. No big deal. At least you're not one of those crazy people that say that Mass Effect 1 is better.  "
mass effect 1 story is better I feel.
 
also, OP, don't worry. I happen to know there are a lot of people who dislike ME2. In favor of Alpha Protocol. Such as myself :D
#27 Posted by Cincaid (2953 posts) -
@Hizang said:
" I'm not a 11 year old kid who just sits on his 360 and plays cod all day  "
Really? Really?
 
I thought we were above insulting certain console users, but I guess I was wrong. Pathetic.
#28 Posted by Hizang (8533 posts) -

I'm still gonna finish the game though, I paid full price for this game..

#29 Posted by ThePickle (4155 posts) -
@Laketown said:
" @HandsomeDevil said:
" @EpicSteve said:
" You're allowed to have a different opinion than the masses.  "
Yeah basically. I loved ME2, but you don't. No big deal. At least you're not one of those crazy people that say that Mass Effect 1 is better.  "
mass effect 1 story is better I feel.  also, OP, don't worry. I happen to know there are a lot of people who dislike ME2. In favor of Alpha Protocol. Such as myself :D "
Main story is a little more focused, but characters and gameplay were much better in ME2. 
#30 Posted by SpacePenguin (476 posts) -

To be honest one of the main reasons I loved Mass Effect 2 was because I cared so much more for the story because I had played Mass Effect 1 I really couldnt of started at the second one. Just seeing how the fiction has progressed from each game and how stuff I did in the first game impacts the next, creating my Shepard and then playing him in ME 2. This is why I love ME. So it might of been because you just jumped into the second one and didnt play the first, or maybe you just dont get it, its impossible for everyone to like the game.

#31 Posted by TwinkleTowez (73 posts) -

I'll be honest, It took me 3 tries to finally get into the original Mass Effect (Fucking Noveria...). But on a whim I decided to give it another try, and something really clicked for me. I loved the characters, the dialog, the overall story, everything. What I've found with Bioware games is that what makes them special and different from anything else is all the little details. th way the party members will have little conversations with each other while they follow you around, or how importing your save actually leads to cool stuff. Now I'll be honest, I think Bioware screwed up on Mass Effect 2. They took all the elements from ME1 that made it an RPG, stripped them out, and made it more of a 3rd person shooter with RPG elements (which I use loosely...). Now don't get me wrong, I still love the hell out of ME2, but it's not even the same game. 
 
I lost track of what I was trying to get at here, but my point is: Give it another try! I think what's happening here is you were hearing about how this was the greatest game of all time, and when ME2 didn't meet those expectations you were disappointed. Its totally understandable because I know I do it all the time when someone recommends a game to me. That's why i stopped paying $60 a pop and got Gamefly instead.

#32 Posted by The_Hiro_Abides (1255 posts) -

I love ME series.
 
Now a series I tried getting into but can't for the life of me is Gears of War. I played the first one for a few hours and couldn't get into it. 

#33 Edited by PhatSeeJay (3322 posts) -
@SpacePenguin said:

" To be honest one of the main reasons I loved Mass Effect 2 was because I cared so much more for the story because I had played Mass Effect 1 I really couldnt of started at the second one. Just seeing how the fiction has progressed from each game and how stuff I did in the first game impacts the next, creating my Shepard and then playing him in ME 2. This is why I love ME. So it might of been because you just jumped into the second one and didnt play the first, or maybe you just dont get it, its impossible for everyone to like the game. "

This. It's not so much Mass Effect 2 in itself that's the big thing, but how the story continues from Mass Effect 1 as a whole.
#34 Posted by UnsolvedParadox (1862 posts) -

I'd recommend playing the 1st game on another platform; you may not be able to import your characters and history, but at least you will get to experience the origins of the Mass Effect universe.

#35 Posted by blueaniman93 (604 posts) -

Mass Effect 2 is better if you play Mass Effect 1.
The best part of Mass Effect 2 is revisiting all those characters and worlds.
The combat doesn't get much better but I really like the story, but that is because of story ties from Mass Effect 1.

#36 Posted by project343 (2812 posts) -
@Hizang: The story is, probably, the weakest part of the game. The characters, combat, and decisions/imported choices are the highlights. If the combat is too slow, then tactical RPG/shooter combat may not be for you--it's probably 3x faster than Mass Effect 1's combat.
#37 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5806 posts) -

Me neither.

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#38 Posted by DrPockets000 (2859 posts) -

The game gets better, but I can't imagine how one would find ME2 great without connecting with characters and story of ME1.

#39 Posted by Hizang (8533 posts) -

I still haven't touched it since then..
#40 Posted by Festerin88 (12 posts) -

I've gotta agree with you - I'm not a huge fan of the game myself.

#41 Posted by caityful (46 posts) -
@CptChiken said:
i dont understand how EA can expect PS3 play to get into mass effect 2, because none of them have played the first mass effect.
This is absolutely right. Part of the enjoyment that comes from playing Mass Effect 2 is having played through the first game and discovered the back story.
The second game just wouldn't be much chop without the whole story, so this mini-comic at the beginning of the PS3 version is a little bit BS.
Also, try playing through every side mission. I clocked about 48 hours after completing every single mission with my first ME2 playthrough. The loyalty missions are definitely worthwhile.
#42 Posted by JEC03 (898 posts) -

I felt the same way about fallout 3 didn't care for that game at all.

#43 Posted by ajamafalous (11859 posts) -

That's because it's mostly a middling third person shooter that relies on your having played ME1 enough to be invested in the characters to like it as opposed to actually being a good game on its own merits. 

#44 Posted by Fattony12000 (7069 posts) -

Sovereign was a badman.

#45 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

You haven't played Mass Effect until you've played Mass Effect.

#46 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

It's up there with BioShock in terms of games I enjoyed everything about besides for the fact I had to play it. For a bunch of smart guys, did none of them sit down and try to think of something more exciting than rooms of chest high walls?

#47 Posted by BongChilla (204 posts) -

I've tried to play Mass Effect (the original) a few times now but I cannot seem to gather any interest. All I hear is how good the sequel is and want to play it but i'm like Vinny and need to play all preceding installments. Doesn't look like I will ever play this game. 

#48 Posted by YoThatLimp (1880 posts) -
@CptChiken said:
i dont understand how EA can expect PS3 play to get into mass effect 2, because none of them have played the first mass effect. I think  if you had you would be more into the story because you yourself would have had much more of an effect on it and you'd notice all the little nods in 2s story to things that happened in the first.  but the game deffinatly gets better in the last half.
I didn't play the first one on 360 and thought ME2 was awesome.
#49 Posted by giantbombiscool (52 posts) -

ha funny it's like daria really wrote that post


mass effect is a great series one of my favourite
#50 Posted by dpedal1 (191 posts) -
@Hizang: You have no idea how good this makes me feel.  I actuall think it is very overrated as well, and don't really like it either.  Man that feels good to get off my chest.

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