I could of sworn it wasn't, but the quick look makes it sound like it does...

I know the guys getting those kind of facts wrong about games they are looking at is pretty normal, but MGR:R looks like it could make sense post 4.

Yes.

I'm pretty sure it is. The only thing that changed is originally it was supposed to be BEFORE MGS4 and deal with Raiden as he escaped the Patriots and saved Sunny. They've changed the time frame but I think it is still considered canon.

yes

Well if you guys are right, that blows my fucking mind...

I dunno why I was so certain it wasn't canon.. I thought once they gave it to Konami and dropped the Solid from the title it no longer was, I guess? I dunno.

Well after the quick look I guess I'm on my way to Gamestop to pick up a copy.

I feel that in order to stay sane one shouldn't think too much about the Metal Gear canon at this point.

I swear I read somewhere Kojima said it no longer is after development was cancelled at Kojima Productions and moved to Platinum

Where are you guys getting confirmation on that? As far as I know the only credible source of what is or is not canon beyond the word of Kojima himself is the timeline at the official site. If Rising shows up there consider it canon.

Just as a pro-tip so your brain doesn't explode because of the Metal Gear Canon, just take each game as its own stand alone thing. Sure there are connections to previous entries with characters and events, but those aren't so important when playing any entry on the series. As for Metal Gear Rising, yeah, it's canon. I think.

It's also pretty good.

Weird...that site isn't loading for me at all. O_o

If it's not, it'll be retconed out of existance in MGS5 because nanomachines.

Just try going to www.metalgearsolid.com and hit the "saga" link up the top. Lot's of Rising marketing but no entry on the timeline at all.

@reisz: Yeah dunno the metal gear site straight up isn't loading for me. Loads on my phone but not my desktop and I'm having no other issues with ANY sites. Its bizzare. =\

@demoskinos: Oh wow, that's weird. I figured it was just the link, for what it's worth the age gate was messed up for me earlier. It's probably a cyber attack, the Patriots are back!

I don't know if it's something that can really be confirmed until we get something else that takes place post-MGS4. If MGS5 takes place years after MGS4, then it seems like the kind of thing that would need to be confirmed and seen through. Because I could see Kojima straight up retconning things he might feel like between Rising and anything else post-MGS4.

I haven't beaten Rising yet, but so far they don't seem to make any insane changes to the MGS universe. So far, I've seen some cool insight on what the world is post-War Economy and post-SOP cutoff.

Until Kojima makes another post MGS4 game I don't care

Are you worried about it being canon because it seems so over the top and ridiculous?

I have always found the series to be so. MGS2 re-affirmed this belief when they introduced a bi-sexual vampire man that could run across water.

Kojima was quoted and it was misinterpreted as non-canon. He then clarified it is canon

Probably not would be my guess, KOJIMA DO WANT HE WANT!

I think he was introduced as a gay vampire man, if I remember the backstory correctly from the MGS2 manual. Or the strategy guide.

They mentioned he was the lover of Scott Dolph, Fortune's dad. Aka, the dude who talked through all the Tanker mission as Solid Snake took pictures of Metal Gear Ray.

Pie's right. Until another post-MGS4 game gets made, I'm not stressing it.

every new MGS game recons something, for the longest time I believed Meryel died at the end of MGS1, and the Otacon ending was the true ending. Until MGS4 was release, but then MGS1 and 2 had a translator who had difficulty with Kojima's writing and took a lot of liberties with his work. I kinda imagine 8-4 did a good job with Rising and this is cannon.

Does it ever matter? Metal Gear has become so freaking convoluted anyways.

I believe so.

@methodman008:

It was confirmed definitively a while back that it most certainly is canon. They plainly answer the question in the interview below, not much room for interpretation with his answer.

Honestly, even with this it really shouldn't. I've been listening to a lot of the codecs lately and it seriously feels like a "normal" MGS game. A lot of information on just about everything you could imagine. This stuff was definitely thought about and it at least sounds like they tied it in well enough to the rest of the series.

Calling it out now, while Rising might be cannon now and atm, as soon as Kojima want's to do something/anything that exists past MGS4 in the time line, MGR will stop being cannon.

MGS:PO WAS cannon untill very recentally, hell it has Solid in the title and even came in the 20th Ann Collectors Box set they put out.

It's been made pretty clear that the only 100% cannon titles are the 5 main MGS games (MGS, MGS2, MGS3, MGS4 and MGS:PW), anything else is seemingly up in the air.

No, because Raiden should have died in MGS4.

Yep it's canon. It's kinda funny to argue otherwise when it's stated couple of times by the peeps that make the game + the dude that created the canon in the first place.

And yep, Kojima will retcon it if it suits him. No guarantee MGR will stay in forever.

Really I think after MGS4 this universe can be anything.

MGS1 and 2 are fairly consistent with each other but once we get to 4... retcon everything to fit into each game.

Is there really anything that insane about this game other than the final boss?

The only Metal Gear Games that aren't cannon is Metal Gear 2 :Snakes Revenge and the Metal Gear Acid Series.

Don't forget Metal Gear: Ghost Babel for the GBC

Who cares? Nothing really happens

That's deep, bro.

@mariachimacabre said:

It all just a training program inside the Animus that's being used to prepare the next generation of child soldiers.

Okay WELL! I'm done. Outskies. Gonna go kill myself because just...shit. You win, Hideo.

Oh so that's why MGS4 had a Assassin's robe for Snake to wear.

Warning: this game is canon.

Raiden was actually Bruce Willis in a hair piece the whole time