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#1  Edited By aerisbueller

Plus unlike Microsoft you don't need it for other payed services like Netflix. Sony has to get credit for at least not enforcing that policy.

Right. I'd say there's about a one in a million chance the Sony apologists saying that Sony is less evil than MS for this would suddenly be pushed too far at that point if Netflix wasn't behind the paywall. It's a complete flipflop, and shows that the pretend principled stance they had against it on the XBox was just fanboy ammo.

I can only post a few times per day because I'm a newb, but in general wanted to respond to the tone I've been receiving. First off, to those calling me lazy, greedy, selfish, etc etc etc. I'm in a better position to pay for PSPlus than the average gamer, and I probably voluntarily work more hours than the average gamer as well.

I've had PSPlus in the past. I own the console and a ridiculous library of games, 4 regular controllers, 2 move controllers, and the eye, and I've done my share of positive Sony pr and given them a few converts from the darkside. I have absolutely no issue with the price, or the value of PSPlus. My issue is one of principle. Not everyone is in my position financially, and to call those who are not lazy, greedy, cheap, hippie, aside from being ridiculously mean spirited and immature is a moot point. If anyone has an actual response to the following that doesn't devolve into namecalling or avoiding the issues, because "poor billionaire Sony, they're so kind to us, won't you please show appreciation for our lord and savior"

I'd argue that the biggest gamers are the laziest ones. The issue here is that something that has always been free is suddenly behind a paywall. I can game on my cellphone vs people around the world, and I don't see the tiny indie developers crying about how I'm not paying for their servers to do so. My cellphone has less restricted gaming than the PS4. That's pathetic. Second, Sony DOES NOT provide dedicated servers for gaming, as can be noted by many games using Peer2Peer, and some games having lag while others do not. If you'll notice, XBox hasn't done away with peer to peer FPS's.

All the 'improvements to the network' have come from software and firmware. It doesn't cost 10s of millions a month to maintain a storefront, and pay a handful of programmers to rearrange the tiles.

Gaikai admittedly will cost money to continue to expand it as more gamers come in, so I believe Gaikai should be behind a paywall, the streaming, and sharing features could also be behind a paywall. Instant streaming of demos can be behind a paywall. But if two random gamers who don't care about streaming, don't care about the free games, or beta access, or any of the other things that currently come with plus just want to play an online game with eachother, it should be just as free as picking up a second controller.

Playing online for free has been a feature of every internet connected device capable of gameplay (of which there are thousands) in history. MS was incredibly greedy to even conceive of the idea of pay to play online, and now the grand total of devices that don't allow free online play is 3. I pay for the console, the games, and the internet connection. The servers reside at the companies who make the games. This final payment to Sony to be allowed to use my own stuff is a toll they are collecting that has nothing to do with the act of connecting me to other gamers.

Please find a less desperate way to attack me, if you insist on doing so (for no apparent reason), I can assure you I have more than enough money to pay for this crap. My annoyance is forcing me to do so. And before you get the oh so brilliant idea to say "ok fine, get a wii-u then", first off, yes, I probably will. Secondly, I don't know when the regime change came into gaming where expressing my distaste for a defenseless multi-billion dollar corporation's actions became some horrible thing.

And finally someone pointed out that I just joined, and started this thread, and I'm probably trying to rally people to my cause. I think yes, it's pretty obvious that I'm trying to rally people to my cause, seeing as how the original post was a rallying call for people to join my cause, but I'm also interested in hearing opposing viewpoints that don't involve the types of things I'd hear over the headset on xbox live from 10 year olds, and I'll probably participate in the community in other ways as time goes on.

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@markm said:

You get so much value for PS+ that it is hard to criticize. $5.00 a month is reasonable and cheaper than the alternative anyway.

It's hard to criticize as an optional service, I wholeheartedly agree. My problem is making it mandatory(for the average user who does want to play online), not that it's not a good deal. I would gladly pay if it were optional, as I'm sure millions of other would (and will anyway). I like Sony as the company that doesn't pull this kinda thing, and not eager to see them change, so I choose to be vocal about it. I guarantee as much as the wii-u is thought of as the silly kiddie console, that their online service will continue to improve throughout the lifecycle, despite the fact it costs nothing, and this is whether or not Nintendo loses miserably this generation as far as sales figures

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I thought you people would be grateful for keeping your ability to buy and play used games at $55 from Gamestop. Instead, now you're upset that you have to pay $50 a year for a subscription model that gives you free, freaking, games and discounts for buying MORE games.

Hello mugger, I'm grateful that you stabbed me in the leg, but not also in the eye.

I don't mind the subscription model that gives me free, freaking games, and discounts, I mind the console that charges me for a service I already pay for to my cable company.

It's this "I'm glad to pay without a second thought because I wanna play my games and you won't let me unless I do" attitude that got us here in the first place. And to those who think for a second MS needed that money to upgrade the service, you obviously haven't been paying attention to...well, anything that goes on with the hundreds of varied online services that continue to be upgraded for free. MS made money of each sold game, off of each ad shoved into gamers faces, off of every dlc they pressured third party devs to charge for. XBox Live cost was there because they could, and for no other reason

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Except that has been free forever and would still be if MS didn't steal from consumers on 360

Simple question: If both MS and Sony step up to provide a large amount of dedicated servers for this upcoming console generation, would you still feel that you shouldn't have to pay for multiplayer?

No, at that point I'd feel it was justified. This last console gen, and the upcoming one, unless sony isn't showing it's cards yet, devs have been using their own servers for online gaming. Which is why some games had more reliable online play than others. I would much prefer gaikai demo streaming, or something that actually costs sony something monthly be included in ps plus. On a side note(not directed at spaceinsomniac), I think ps plus is a great service and would gladly pay if it continued to be optional and free online play. I disagree with making it mandatory on principle, not because $5 is oh so much money. It's only $5 for something that costs sony nothing. By that logic I should pay my next door neighbor $5 a month to let me use my own internet connection.

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Except that has been free forever and would still be if MS didn't steal from consumers on 360

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E3 was fantastic for Sony in every way but one. Having to pay to play online isn't a small inconvenience, or "It's ok, I love Sony, and No DRM!", or "I already pay for PSPlus so it doesn't affect me"

Sony doesn't pay for the servers you play your online games on, and the Steam and Origin stores/online game portals on PC show that you can have a huge network of gamers connecting to eachother and it doesn't need to cost anything to gamers. Plain and simple Microsoft's greed and Xbox fans' willingness to put up with paying for being allowed to use their own internet connections is all this is. They've proven to Sony that console gamers will accept this.

This is the appropriate reaction, as demonstrated by PC gamers when MS tried to repeat their pay to use your connection for gaming policy on PC. From Wikipedia:

After the official announcement of Games for Windows – LIVE, many PC gamers were upset with Microsoft's move to charge PC gamers a fee of $49.99 to use the service. Many PC gamers felt this move was unfair, as playing online and many of the other services GFWL offered has, for the most part, always been free on the PC.[38] Microsoft later began offering the service free of charge, after many complaints from PC gamers were made.

After the announcement that the PC release of Dark Souls would use Games for Windows – LIVE, fans started up a petition to have the game released without the service attached. The online petition gained over 20,000 signatures in 5 days, reflecting a notable public dislike of the service among PC gamers.[39]

The twitter campaigns have begun but need plenty of help:

#PS4FreeOnlinePlay #PS4FreeOnline

and the Sony employees to direct these to (politely) aside from gamer friends and family (thanks to FamousMortimer from NeoGaf for this list):

Shuhei Yoshida

(president of worldwide studios)

@yosp

(easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)

John Koller

(head of hardware marketing)

@jpkoller

(dude has like 150 followers - heh)

Guy Longworth

(senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing)

@luckylongworth

Scott Rohde

(PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America)

@rohdescott

Adam Boyes

(Publisher and developer relations at Sony)

@amboyes

Shahid Kamal Ahmad

(third party relations, europe)

@shahidkamal

Nick Accordino

(SCEA ISD A. Producer)

@nikoro

Phil Rosenberg

(SCEA - reports directly to Tretton, thanks GoFreak)

@philrosenberg

If you agree, please spread the word, and let's make this happen.