@bananasfoster: In general would I agree, but there's always an exception to the rule, one that immediately comes to mind when it comes to games Planescape: Torment .
Just had a moment in the Posession quest where Geralt is asked what is drawn him to Yen, he says he has "never chosen comfort and ease, the calm and the quiet". Cerys is the one asking. It's funny because multiple times, not even when Yen is in the conversation, she says more or less "I hope you don't need Yennefer's permission" or something along those lines. She is clearly judging the relationship which is funny. You can even argue about being "hen pecked" later on with her if you choose.
The ending for Deus Ex has a man wanting to merge with an AI that already merged with another AI to rule all nanotechnology and be a god. That's MGS levels of dumb.
I'm not sure why this is dumb. It just basically is embracing the ideas of control the game is exploring and saying it's okay if I'm the one calling the shots which is pretty cool (and dark, to me). I love all the endings to that game.
@artisanbreads: And the great thing is it's also not all just grey characters, that would have seemed just as artificial imo. There are still total assholes here and there, and really good people occasionally.
Yep there's some of that "trying to hard too be all grey" in fiction too. I am willing to kill a Witch Hunter on sight, no nuance there for me!
@artisanbreads: I'd say the Bloody Baron, seemingly the character who's making a big impression on people, is having that effect precisely because of that tension. He's affable and charismatic, but also does some stuff that is categorically awful. I felt for him at several points during his side quest, and that made me pretty uncomfortable. The writers really did a good job of bringing that sort of subtlety to the game.
Exactly how I felt about the Baron, great call. I think Roche and Iorveth were two characters in Witcher 2 that I loved parts of and then really objected to others.
If you can have this nuance it's just well done characters. If characters are divisive and not just good or evil that makes things interesting.
I think we could obviously object to how the Baron's relationships with the women in his life, but you can also see (I think) he genuinely cares. And do you give people a second chance? It deals with a lot of that and it's interesting for it.
Let's just pretend for a second that Geralt spoke to Yennefer in the same condescending and bossy tone that Yennefer speaks to Geralt (and really everyone else in the witcher 3). Would a single person on here defend him? Didn't think so. We'd all be perfectly willing to call Geralt a misgoynistic asshole.
There are male characters that do this in the Witcher games. This point you're trying to make means nothing.
I don't really share his point of view entirely, but to play devils advocate, are you supposed to like these characters?
You can if you like or you can't if you like. Game usually gives you the choice. I don't need to like every character in a ficition and if you don't like Yen I might get why. Making this about sexism is really silly.
She's definitely not boring, and has a very interesting character and backstory with geralt. That said, she definitely got on my nerves so any romance aint happening at all in my play through lol. Tris is ride or die and has been for all the games, apparently Yen got her memory back earlier and didn't bother to come introduce herself before she needed help, then has the audacity to be mad? Nahhh. Yen just rubbed me the wrong way, but as far as her character it was definitely interesting and unique.
If you actually pursue her romance you address a lot of these things and that bit you mention specifically in Witcher 3:
Basically she thinks Geralt can find her and handle himself, but knows Ciri is in great danger so addresses that first. This is a valid way to look at things and is exactly what Geralt manages to do if by Witcher 3, so I'm fine with it. Yen is also really nice to Geralt when they have alone time together. So you see her in a different light. The Last Wish quest addresses why she has trouble with her relationship with Geralt: she hasn't been able to even know if it was real. She is strong and independent and her love life has been focused on a lack of control because of the wish that has linked her and Geralt.
Triss is different and great in her own right so I don't mean to say you can't feel that way but just pointing that out. You can stand up for yourself and go against Yen when you're with her and she can still love you. I argued with her quite a bit so far actually.
Let's just pretend for a second that Geralt spoke to Yennefer in the same condescending and bossy tone that Yennefer speaks to Geralt (and really everyone else in the witcher 3). Would a single person on here defend him? Didn't think so. We'd all be perfectly willing to call Geralt a misgoynistic asshole.
There are male characters that do this in the Witcher games. This point you're trying to make means nothing. Characters can have characteristics that aren't always positive in fiction. Doesn't need to be about sexism or anything. So lets be above trying to make this about that.
I actually very much disagree with you. I like Triss (because she's super nice and caring) but I think Yennefer is much more interesting. She isn't always nice or polite and she is pretty reckless. She actually is super sweet and genuine though at certain points. I've really liked her romance because at times I really butt heads with her and for a stretch I was saying to myself "I fucked up" choosing her over Triss but in the end you know at heart she just cares. She is so reckless because she cares about Ciri, for example. And when you get the one on one moments between the two they are great. I thought the "Last Wish" quest was amazing. After that I really like Yen and think that it really makes sense for Geralt to want to be with her.
I haven't read the books, but from what I have heard and seen, this is kind of how she is there? Like Geralt likes her because she is beautiful and always entertaining because she is so reckless and powerful and headstrong. I saw someone kind of try to summarize things from the book and they seemed to say Triss was kind of too nice for Geralt to actually be in love with and was just a fling, while he is attracted to Yen because of her personality.
I have gotten like this some. I play NBA 2K this way though (a game I'm constantly playing) and that's great. And I was finding it hard to dedicate myself to just a game for a bit but I'm starting to think that meant the quality of the game stories in some recent games. Far Cry 4 was that way for me. It's just at the point where I don't care that much about their story if it isn't good.
But I feel good because as soon as Witcher 3 came along (a game I've been really looking forward to) I have really had focus on it.
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