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Really? we cant even say his name now?

Ok, so i just watched the 201st episode of southpark and all i could think was "Really?! has this gone THAT far?" 
I heard on the news that muslim extremists have been threatening trey parker and matt stone about the 200th episode because they were showing Muhammad, but what they were actually showing was a bear costume and saying muhammad was in it... so unless they discovered the truth that all muslims worship a bear i don't really see what the big deal is.  And now in the 201st episode they have had to sensor his name! I mean come on, we aren't even allowed to say his name now? How can one religion hold that much fear power over the media? 

Another thing that just seems ridiculous is that they take the piss openly about all the other leaders of religion:  
Buddha is shown as a Crack head sniffing crack the whole time. 
Jesus is shown as a retarded pornography addict. 
Vishnu is shown as a homosexual. 
Moses is shown as the evil software from Tron, and also a little bit dumb. 
 And non of these religions appear to have a problem with any of this, but as soon as muhammad is even suggested of being shown, even if that is of bear costume we arent allowed to do that and we start being threatened? 

I can't see how with all the other religions being ok with these depictions the muslims can't be ok with, to be honest, not even a depiction of their prophet and just a metaphysical symbolisation of him.  
But then i suppose every religions have their extremists... just some are more retarded than others. No doubt we will be hearing from the Wesbro Baptist church any time now. 
 
Is my confusion justified? or am i just being a little closed minded? 
 
Thanks.

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Ok, I've been reading this thread from the beginning, and I've seen both of the episodes in question. 
 
AS A MUSLIM, and as a human being, I do not agree with how they portray any of the religious figures in those episodes. I mean come on, are we really that insensitive that the only form of comedy we find funny is to belittle other people's beliefs? What ever happened to respect your fellow man? Why is it so hard not to make fun of one another?
 
As a Muslim, I will tell you, that I completely do not agree with death threats and resorting to violence. Sadly, a MINORITY of Muslims have taken it into their heads that you must react to any negative with violence and threats. This in no way speaks about Islam itself, I know people have heard countless times that Islam is the religion of peace, and I don't exactly blame you if you think otherwise.  But give it a chance, and actually think outside the box for a little bit. Whether you agree with Islam or not, you have to admit that Muslims are pretty much this generation's Nazi's, or the cold war's Russians. We are the thing to hate right now, and I get it. But at the same time, I'm asking people to be a little less ignorant, I guarantee you, if media outlets stopped reporting about extremists, and every little threat given out, the extremist minority will give up. Why? Because they are doing it for attention. What do you do when a child wants attention and has a temper tantrum? You ignore him/her. 
 
It isn't asking a lot, I agree 100% that the majority of good, peaceful Muslims, shouldn't let the minority speak out and get all the coverage, and we should resort to words and talks with people that offend us. But it is very hard, because the media doesn't want a peaceful story, they want one that will make everybody angry, so that they can focus their anger on one set of people.
 
I will re-iterate, yes the extremists need to chill the hell out and not let every little thing get under their skin, but at the same time, we all are still humans, and humans should be held to a higher morality, dignity, and respect for their fellows. What the southpark creators are effectively doing is instigating a fight, and if any of you don't see that, then you are truly blind.
 
Also, anyone who believes that Islam is the only religion that has extremists is sorely mistaken. As a previous history major, I can spend days explaining how every other religion, small or large has seen a time when the extremists of that religion were seen as the majority. You have to remember that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, it's very hard to keep all these new people who think they know best under control.
 
I just want to end with saying that I do not speak for all Muslims, I simply have stated my opinion as one, and also as someone who has lived in the states most of his life. Sorry for the wall of text.

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@Miasma said:
" >Implying you can snort crack  wat. "
Because this is /v/, right?
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While they can't quite make up for Comedy Central backing down in the face of extremists, they sure do help.... 

 Q. What do you call a Muslim who owns a camel and a goat?
A. Bisexual.

Q. How do Muslims practice safe sex?
A. They mark the camels that kick.

Q. What do Tehran and Hiroshima have in common?
A. Nothing, yet.

Q. What do you call a Muslim who owns 6 goats?
A. A pimp.


Q. whats the difference between a truck full of dead Muslim babies and a truck full of bowling balls?
A. The bowling bowls are hard to pick up with a pitchfork.

Q: How do you tell a Sunni from a Shiite?
A: The Sunnis are the ones with the Shiite blown out of them.

Q. What's the hardest part about a Muslim killing his own daughter?
A. Suppressing the erection.

Q: How can you tell if a Muslim girl is old enough to marry?
A: Make her stand in a barrel. If her chin is over the top, she's old enough. If it isn't, cut the barrel down until her chin is over the top.

Q. What's the difference between a Muslim and a vampire?
A. At some point the vampire will stop being bloodthirsty.

A Muslim walks into his local mosque with a big grin on his face.

"What are you so happy about, Abdul?" Asks the Imam.

"Well, I'll tell you," replies Abdul. "I live by the railroad tracks and on my way home last night, I noticed a young woman tied to the rails, like in the American movies. I cut her free and took her back to my humble abode. Allah be praised - we made love all night, all around the tent. We did everything, me on top, sometimes her on top, every position permitted by Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him!"

"By the most Merciful," exclaimed the Imam, "you have been blessed. Was she as beautiful as a desert flower?"

Abdul grimaced, "By the Jinn, I do not know - I never found her head."  

Q. What's the difference between ET and Muslims?
A. ET got the point and went home.

I went to a Muslim birthday party last night. Damn if that wasn't the fastest game of Hot Potato I've ever seen!

Q. Why are there only 2 pallbearers at a Muslim funeral?
A. There's only 2 handles on a garbage can.

Q. What do you say to a Pakistani at Christmas?
A. A quart of milk, a loaf of bread and a pack of Marlboros please.

Q. What do you call a bus with 2 Somalis falling off a cliff?
A. A waste, you could have fit at least 50 in the bus!

Q. What do you call a Muslim between two houses?
A. Ali.

Q. When's the only time you should wink at a Muslim?
A. When aiming. 

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@emkeighcameron said:
     MOHAMMED JIHAD MOHAMED JIHAD DURKADURKA "
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I just watched the episode and it's pretty clear that the bleeps are intentional. It's a hoax.

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Religion is for noobs

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@CptBedlam said:
" I just watched the episode and it's pretty clear that the bleeps are intentional. It's a hoax. "
this.
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@Osaladin said:

" Ok, I've been reading this thread from the beginning, and I've seen both of the episodes in question. 
 
AS A MUSLIM, and as a human being, I do not agree with how they portray any of the religious figures in those episodes. I mean come on, are we really that insensitive that the only form of comedy we find funny is to belittle other people's beliefs? What ever happened to respect your fellow man? Why is it so hard not to make fun of one another?
 
As a Muslim, I will tell you, that I completely do not agree with death threats and resorting to violence. Sadly, a MINORITY of Muslims have taken it into their heads that you must react to any negative with violence and threats. This in no way speaks about Islam itself, I know people have heard countless times that Islam is the religion of peace, and I don't exactly blame you if you think otherwise.  But give it a chance, and actually think outside the box for a little bit. Whether you agree with Islam or not, you have to admit that Muslims are pretty much this generation's Nazi's, or the cold war's Russians. We are the thing to hate right now, and I get it. But at the same time, I'm asking people to be a little less ignorant, I guarantee you, if media outlets stopped reporting about extremists, and every little threat given out, the extremist minority will give up. Why? Because they are doing it for attention. What do you do when a child wants attention and has a temper tantrum? You ignore him/her.   It isn't asking a lot, I agree 100% that the majority of good, peaceful Muslims, shouldn't let the minority speak out and get all the coverage, and we should resort to words and talks with people that offend us. But it is very hard, because the media doesn't want a peaceful story, they want one that will make everybody angry, so that they can focus their anger on one set of people.  I will re-iterate, yes the extremists need to chill the hell out and not let every little thing get under their skin, but at the same time, we all are still humans, and humans should be held to a higher morality, dignity, and respect for their fellows. What the southpark creators are effectively doing is instigating a fight, and if any of you don't see that, then you are truly blind.  Also, anyone who believes that Islam is the only religion that has extremists is sorely mistaken. As a previous history major, I can spend days explaining how every other religion, small or large has seen a time when the extremists of that religion were seen as the majority. You have to remember that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, it's very hard to keep all these new people who think they know best under control.  I just want to end with saying that I do not speak for all Muslims, I simply have stated my opinion as one, and also as someone who has lived in the states most of his life. Sorry for the wall of text. "

Hilighting contradictions. You don't seem to get the point. The point is this episode airs, and Jesus looks at internet porn and Buddha snorks crack, and no Christians or Buddhists go out and kill people. I'm not sure why you think, as a Muslim, you're more qualified to say how all religious figures should be depicted. You seem to think all religious figures should be left alone, so as not to highlight one specific religious group is willing to kill over satire and the others aren't. So we should censor more and ignore extremists and they'll go away. Yeah, that's asinine. The reason this is getting added attention is specifically because threats are being made and concessions are being made. If Southpark was ACTUALLY IGNORING extremists, this episode wouldn't be about Muhammad and Muhammad would be depicted like the other figures are. You think they wouldn't get death threats then, ignoring the extremists? You seem to think if people ignore the issue it will go away and that's what you want. You want people to not depict Muhammad because if they do they'll get death threats, then also for them to not call attention to the fact that they're not depicting him because they would receive death threats. And then to pretend doing this is actually ignoring the extremists. Giving someone what they want is not ignoring them just because you don't call attention to the issues you're forced to avoid. PC snake eating its tail logic at its best. Ignore them and they'll go away, but also, do what they say or else you deserve what you get.
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@Everyones_A_Critic 
Most of those are kinda funny.
Fifth from the top however isn't funny on any level. Dead babies =/= funny. Ever.
I'd honestly remove it.
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Reactionary piece of media
One muslim group gets butthurt
Everyone gangs up on muslims
 
Racism gets more stupid every year.

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I knew it was going to be South Park. 
 
I believe it's just a joke.

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@Clembo said:
" Reactionary piece of media One muslim group gets butthurt Everyone gangs up on muslims  Racism gets more stupid every year. "
Islam isn't a race. Young people get stupider and stupider every year.
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@ryanwho: 
I'm not sure where I said that as a Muslim it makes me more qualified to say how all religious figures should be depicted. I'm saying from a human standpoint, why do we have to resort to making fun of any religion, I'm not saying that how they depict Jesus is right, I'm saying it is very wrong how they depict all of the religious figures in the episodes. Ignoring extremists doesn't mean they are getting what they want, ignoring them means go about your daily life w/o trying to pick a fight, but also giving them no credibility. 
 
Whether was I think is PC or not, it's my opinion, I'm glad for you that you think you have all the answers and I'm not really sure why this bothers you so much, also I don't know what the hell you where trying to say with the entire "ignoring" thing you posted, I'll re read it a few times though.
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@Osaladin said:
" @ryanwho:  I'm not sure where I said that as a Muslim it makes me more qualified to say how all religious figures should be depicted. I'm saying from a human standpoint, why do we have to resort to making fun of any religion, I'm not saying that how they depict Jesus is right, I'm saying it is very wrong how they depict all of the religious figures in the episodes. Ignoring extremists doesn't mean they are getting what they want, ignoring them means go about your daily life w/o trying to pick a fight, but also giving them no credibility.   Whether was I think is PC or not, it's my opinion, I'm glad for you that you think you have all the answers and I'm not really sure why this bothers you so much, also I don't know what the hell you where trying to say with the entire "ignoring" thing you posted, I'll re read it a few times though. "
Because this is what they do?
The show makes fun and satire of everything.
People have been making fun of other people since forever, that's how a lot of jokes work.
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Stupid people believing to the death about a nonsense story.

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@Clembo said:
" Reactionary piece of media One muslim group gets butthurt Everyone gangs up on muslims  Religion gets more stupid every year. "
Fixed?
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I am atheist, but i guess it is disrespectful, i am surprised this is the first episode of South Park with ,muhammad in it.

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People have an uncanny ability to be dumbfuck douchebags as seen in this situation and some posts in this thread.

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@Osaladin said:

" @ryanwho:  I'm not sure where I said that as a Muslim it makes me more qualified to say how all religious figures should be depicted. I'm saying from a human standpoint, why do we have to resort to making fun of any religion, I'm not saying that how they depict Jesus is right, I'm saying it is very wrong how they depict all of the religious figures in the episodes. Ignoring extremists doesn't mean they are getting what they want, ignoring them means go about your daily life w/o trying to pick a fight, but also giving them no credibility.   Whether was I think is PC or not, it's my opinion, I'm glad for you that you think you have all the answers and I'm not really sure why this bothers you so much, also I don't know what the hell you where trying to say with the entire "ignoring" thing you posted, I'll re read it a few times though. "

You can't ignore something then avoid certain topics because they're going to enrage the people you're ignoring. If anything, this episode proved they were ignoring the extremists because what validating them looks like is completely avoiding the issue, which is what they want. If people want to have this conversation, they should ignore the people threatening them if they have it. And Southpark did that. You don't seem to get it. The highlighted portion completely encapsulates that. YOU GIVE THEM CREDIBILITY BY AVOIDING THE ISSUES THEY WANT YOU DO AVOID. 1984 covered all of this. They determined who didn't need special treatment based on what they didn't talk about. They never "went away", you just didn't notice them unless you talked about the wrong thing. Terrorists don't vaporize when you do exactly what they want. That's called enabling. That's called validating. Your whole "don't rock the boat" philosophy is what gives them the perception that they have power. If people could speak openly about this, that would show that they have no power. And that's what you want to avoid, it seems like. 
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So religion causes people to die. Have you not ever read history? And the one thing we know from history is that it repeats itself. Sorry folks no living in a different planet for us, so sort of religious delusion is going to kill us all, whether it's muslims or christians they're all insane and unreasonable

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Here is one very old saying that im sure we all have heard, "sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me" ..........................unless ur a muslim lol

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@AlwaysAngry:  Get well soon
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@Pinworm45 said:
"@Psykhophear said:

" You have to understand that the Muslim's believe is that the Prophet's looks and description is a mystery and it should never be assumed, portrayed, depicted or illustrated by any kind.   

 Fuck you. No seriously, fuck you. Don't ever tell me what I can and can not depict, portray, illustrate, or assume. I live in a Country that has freedom of speech. I'm sorry muslims are all pissed off because they live in a sucky ass sand place, but I have ZERO - ZERO - obligation to obay their ridiculous, murderous, ridiculously harmful religion. I will *never* cave to their threats, I will *never* give up my freedom of speech, least of all to those cocksuckers. I don't mean all muslims by the way, just the majority who are pro censorship. Oh and the ones that brutally rape and murder women over non-issues. And repress women. And the countless atrocities they commit. Yeah, right, religion of peace.   edit: okay, I toned my post down. These people and people who cave to them just make me sick. "

You are fucking sad...first you say i dont mean all muslims...but then you talk shit about their religion...well its not like christianity is a perfect religion..with child rapists and the church covering it up and protecting the people that rape and destroy the lives on children.. 
 
And you know what..not all muslims are the same..most just wanne live a peaceful life. And look at the recent war in Bosnia....thousands of muslims killed and raped by the serb christians...and what does the west do? Put a fucking weapons embargo up for the bosnians...so please the west is just as worse as any muslim country.
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This thread is getting a little out of hand.  Nothing left to see here, people.