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I feel like I almost get it, but not quite.

Meh, I was a child of a very antagonistic divorce too, and I have no problem with it.

Jesus, Vinny sounds like he'd sell your heart to the junk man, baby. For a buck, for a buck.

That they're not super hot on the game itself doesn't really affect my hype level. I don't think I've agreed with Jeff about a game since Horizon Zero Dawn.

The amount of bugs sound alot more disconcerting.

Thanks for the content, Abby. You were great from start to finish.

I think I know the one you mean, and I did the same thing. A little disappointing that the character then undermines the choice you made. I'm not far in the game, and it hasn't really clicked with me yet.

Citadel DLC belongs before the ending. The main thing is you do it after the Sanctuary part, which Alex has already done, since Miranda wouldn't be part of it otherwise. But definitely before the ending.

You are doing the maker's work, Ben.

@richard_buttz: I think I see what Naughty Dog are going for with Abby. They probably mean to say that like Ellie, she's been consumed by the need for revenge, and it has damaged her, but "hey look, she's come out the other side and found redemption". Or at least she's looking for it.

But in my very personal opinion, her journey through the game does not earn her redemption. The fact that she shows a bit of humanity towards Yara and Lev does not wash away the fact that she tortured a man to death, and the fact that she was part of a military junta who, though the game tries to show them as a fuctioning society in the stadium part, commits extrajudicial killings of people in the street, tortures prisoners and fires on children throwing stones. Just like Joel and Ellie, she needs to live with the consequenses of her actions.

@lumpofdeformity: I'll agree that Joel is a villain. THE villain though? Not going there with you. Again, he never got the chance to be THE villain, because the fireflies had already taken that title away, taken it upon themselves to murder a child in pursuit of a tenuous quest for a cure. They had no right to make the choice, just like Joel didn't have right. Marlene knew Ellie. She knew she'd probably agree, but chose not to give her a choice, so her doctors could continue with they staggeringly unethical medical experiments. The only way to defend what they did is the same "but-they-meant-well" track that infuriated you so about Joel.

By the way, Joel didn't massacre the people standing between him and Ellie. They had numbers and means to defend themselves. They were not helpless or unarmed. Rather, they were party to the murder that was happening in the operating room. The fact that they "aren't angels" as you say does not absolve them of their crimes.

All agree with you about Team Abby though. As in, I'm with Abby's teammates, Yara and Lev. You can keep Abby. :)