Adieu my friends, i bid you all farewell, My name was Endogene

My name is Endogène,

 I'm the 6th most important contributor to GiantBomb.com out of a total of 42985 members with a total of 57329 points that i got on 3523 different pages. I joined the site July 21, 2008, the day the site was launched. Including this final blog post i will have posted 3858 comments on the site. I am in the top 10 poster rank of both the "delete and combine" forum and the "editing and tools" forum. After I was chosen to become a moderator I moderated over 6000 submissions and posted  232 times in the "moderation hangout" placing 3rd on the top poster list. Today i turn my back to this all.

I've genuinely enjoyed the countless hours I've spend on Giant Bomb. I loved helping out others, I loved adding information for others to see, I loved all the silliness of the forums and the great personalities that visit them yet i do no longer want this all.


My name is Endogène


When i first visited the forums things where wild, uncertain, nothing was decided, no rules existed same was for the Wiki part of the site, the one promoted to be the big feature of GiantBomb that was buried under submissions that moderators who were chosen out of those who had the most points in the early hours that the site launched. I've got the my first real attention by defending non censured images from adult games, most notably Bible Black. I've spend days saying that if the site wants to be a encyclopedia it should allow everything without exception be it offending or not while being yelled at and called names by others before finally a staff member came out with a small message saying that it was an okay thing to do. I then gained some more popularity helping others out with wiki related questions and moving data over from duplicate pages. It was great being a meaningful part of something constructive on such a big scale.
Once i had hit 5000 points i started adding new pages to the site at alarming speeds so that users who did not already had 5K points whould have pages that they could work on without having to wait on moderation. I continued working on the wiki to a point that i reached the top 100 that was crowded with people who gamed the system be it by bugs or willingly. I was proud, my name on that page meant that i had helped others out.
As i continued working on wiki pages my rank as my "notoriety" climbed, I was never afraid to defend what i believe in and and take on  the things I oppose. I've often got into conflict with other users due to this, however I am proud of the amount of self control and objectivity i've shown during these arguments and that I have never verbally disrespected others. 
During my stay on GiantBomb I've done my best promoting games that needed attention by either posting about them or filling in their wiki articles as good as i could, I was always proud and happy once i was done making a wiki page for a game yet sad at the same time since i knew that if i did not do it nobody would...
After some months I as well as another two users were added to the moderation team, two wiki mods, one forum mod. I delved into the submission queue checking everyone of the for plagiarism and correcting them if needed, i would always leave a detailed comment for the users explaining when i would deny a submission explaing how they should do it next time. At the end all my effort was for nothing, the reply function of the moderation queue was broken since the site launched, nobody told me... I was upset.


My name is Endogène

I am tired, tired of seeing so much of everyone their effort being wasted. GiantBomb is supposed to be a community site, yet it's founders neglect it all together. How is a community supposed to prosper if it's founders do not support it? It pains me to see users troubled with the site, asking it's creators directly for change, proposing ideas be they hard or simple to implement and seeing no word what so ever from these founders to a point that the mods have to come over and to say the GiantBomb team is but small and can't take care of everything. I agreed with those who said that when the site was created but seeing the same issue still exist now that the site has almost hit its one year mark makes it hard for me to believe that they even care. GiantBomb's business model seems to be to pump out as many different features as possible that will lure new users in but by doing this they are neglecting what their core, the people who invest their personal time in making the site what it is want. The never ending trivia and the achievement feature might be nice but there are so many things that actually matter that need to be done.
After I had become a moderator I've done nothing but try and make the founders realize the things that were absolutely needed being fixed, added, clarified all in vain. Never did the founders even answered my request even when supported by the other moderators, the only time i had contact with one of them is when i started doing what they had always neglected out of my own, delete duplicate page. I used the tool that allowed us moderators to rename game pages to change duplicate games into games that were not yet added to the database. I got a message asking what i was doing and after explaining how i was "deleting" pages I was told that it was okay to do. Afterwards i discussed it with the other mods and we stumbled upon some cases where this method might break the site. I messaged the founder again asking if i still had green light  ot use this method despite the risky pages, i never got an answer and thus found myself uncertain if i could continue or not, I had no choice then stop. With pain I would see the list of pages that needed to be deleted more and more. As time passes more issues rise, the community discusses them, proposes solutions, no answer, nothing happens... Do the founders live in a tower so high above ground that they do only see clouds under them and not those below struggling?


My name is Endogène

No longer will I stay here, no longer will i accept this behavior towards those who support you. I hope that I will be the only one who has to leave for you to understand that they way you are neglecting your core is unacceptable. I hope that you will see reason and that GiantBomb will become what it is supposed to be, a community site!


For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way!


My name was Endogène!

Mirror: http://lastwordsbyendogene.blogspot.com/


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Posted by Endogene
My name is Endogène,

 I'm the 6th most important contributor to GiantBomb.com out of a total of 42985 members with a total of 57329 points that i got on 3523 different pages. I joined the site July 21, 2008, the day the site was launched. Including this final blog post i will have posted 3858 comments on the site. I am in the top 10 poster rank of both the "delete and combine" forum and the "editing and tools" forum. After I was chosen to become a moderator I moderated over 6000 submissions and posted  232 times in the "moderation hangout" placing 3rd on the top poster list. Today i turn my back to this all.

I've genuinely enjoyed the countless hours I've spend on Giant Bomb. I loved helping out others, I loved adding information for others to see, I loved all the silliness of the forums and the great personalities that visit them yet i do no longer want this all.


My name is Endogène


When i first visited the forums things where wild, uncertain, nothing was decided, no rules existed same was for the Wiki part of the site, the one promoted to be the big feature of GiantBomb that was buried under submissions that moderators who were chosen out of those who had the most points in the early hours that the site launched. I've got the my first real attention by defending non censured images from adult games, most notably Bible Black. I've spend days saying that if the site wants to be a encyclopedia it should allow everything without exception be it offending or not while being yelled at and called names by others before finally a staff member came out with a small message saying that it was an okay thing to do. I then gained some more popularity helping others out with wiki related questions and moving data over from duplicate pages. It was great being a meaningful part of something constructive on such a big scale.
Once i had hit 5000 points i started adding new pages to the site at alarming speeds so that users who did not already had 5K points whould have pages that they could work on without having to wait on moderation. I continued working on the wiki to a point that i reached the top 100 that was crowded with people who gamed the system be it by bugs or willingly. I was proud, my name on that page meant that i had helped others out.
As i continued working on wiki pages my rank as my "notoriety" climbed, I was never afraid to defend what i believe in and and take on  the things I oppose. I've often got into conflict with other users due to this, however I am proud of the amount of self control and objectivity i've shown during these arguments and that I have never verbally disrespected others. 
During my stay on GiantBomb I've done my best promoting games that needed attention by either posting about them or filling in their wiki articles as good as i could, I was always proud and happy once i was done making a wiki page for a game yet sad at the same time since i knew that if i did not do it nobody would...
After some months I as well as another two users were added to the moderation team, two wiki mods, one forum mod. I delved into the submission queue checking everyone of the for plagiarism and correcting them if needed, i would always leave a detailed comment for the users explaining when i would deny a submission explaing how they should do it next time. At the end all my effort was for nothing, the reply function of the moderation queue was broken since the site launched, nobody told me... I was upset.


My name is Endogène

I am tired, tired of seeing so much of everyone their effort being wasted. GiantBomb is supposed to be a community site, yet it's founders neglect it all together. How is a community supposed to prosper if it's founders do not support it? It pains me to see users troubled with the site, asking it's creators directly for change, proposing ideas be they hard or simple to implement and seeing no word what so ever from these founders to a point that the mods have to come over and to say the GiantBomb team is but small and can't take care of everything. I agreed with those who said that when the site was created but seeing the same issue still exist now that the site has almost hit its one year mark makes it hard for me to believe that they even care. GiantBomb's business model seems to be to pump out as many different features as possible that will lure new users in but by doing this they are neglecting what their core, the people who invest their personal time in making the site what it is want. The never ending trivia and the achievement feature might be nice but there are so many things that actually matter that need to be done.
After I had become a moderator I've done nothing but try and make the founders realize the things that were absolutely needed being fixed, added, clarified all in vain. Never did the founders even answered my request even when supported by the other moderators, the only time i had contact with one of them is when i started doing what they had always neglected out of my own, delete duplicate page. I used the tool that allowed us moderators to rename game pages to change duplicate games into games that were not yet added to the database. I got a message asking what i was doing and after explaining how i was "deleting" pages I was told that it was okay to do. Afterwards i discussed it with the other mods and we stumbled upon some cases where this method might break the site. I messaged the founder again asking if i still had green light  ot use this method despite the risky pages, i never got an answer and thus found myself uncertain if i could continue or not, I had no choice then stop. With pain I would see the list of pages that needed to be deleted more and more. As time passes more issues rise, the community discusses them, proposes solutions, no answer, nothing happens... Do the founders live in a tower so high above ground that they do only see clouds under them and not those below struggling?


My name is Endogène

No longer will I stay here, no longer will i accept this behavior towards those who support you. I hope that I will be the only one who has to leave for you to understand that they way you are neglecting your core is unacceptable. I hope that you will see reason and that GiantBomb will become what it is supposed to be, a community site!


For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way!


My name was Endogène!

Mirror: http://lastwordsbyendogene.blogspot.com/


Posted by freezerr

wow, just a touch melodramatic.

Posted by Brutopian

I didn't read any of that because its a fucking wall of text but one thing i do gather: his name is apparently endogene.

Posted by Lies

:(

Posted by Gizmo
"GiantBomb is supposed to be a community site, yet it's founders neglect it all together. How is a community supposed to prosper if it's founders do not support it? It pains me to see users troubled with the site, asking it's creators directly for change, proposing ideas be they hard or simple to implement and seeing no word what so ever from these founders to a point that the mods have to come over and to say the GiantBomb team is but small and can't take care of everything. I agreed with those who said that when the site was created but seeing the same issue still exist now that the site has almost hit its one year mark makes it hard for me to believe that they even care. GiantBomb's business model seems to be to pump out as many different features as possible that will lure new users in but by doing this they are neglecting what their core, the people who invest their personal time in making the site what it is want. The never ending trivia and the achievement feature might be nice but there are
so many things that actually matter that need to be done."

That's the meat of the wall of text.

Goodbye Endogene.
Posted by luce

byebye =[

Posted by FrankCanada97

Goodbye and good luck.

Edited by Ineedaname

I read all of that, and as much as it annoys me to say, he does have a point with quite alot of it.
But as they say giantbomb is only a small team, there's only so much they can do but there comes a time where they should accept maybe abit more help would be beneficial, I by no means can say I know how you feel but it must be annoying to type pages of comments only for them to go unmissed, but I'm curios to know how would most people know, because to them when they edit a page it would just look like there are no comments and no one's tried, maybe that's why it never got fixed it's unnoticeable, unless it was noticed a while ago, I've not been here That long so can't say.
Anyways, I don't think there's a point in leaveing, as someone else said that is a tad melodramatic, you could stay and still be proud of how much you've contributed and how much you might be able to, no one pulls you up on it, saying good job, which is part of the thing that annoys me, maybe more credit to those who edit and add, but to do that  more than they do would probably be intrusive.

Posted by Out_On_Bail

Damn that sucks. I remember when you found out you were a mod, it was a surprise to us all - in a good way.  Take care Endo, I wish you luck.  This website definitely benefited from your knowledge, take care.

Posted by buzz_clik

Awww, no good that you feel that way. Have a better one, eh?

P.S. Endogene is no longer a threat.

Moderator
Posted by AndrewGaspar

You're leaving the site just because moderator comments aren't working? >.<

Posted by PercyChuggs

k thnx bai

Posted by Stang

Jesus Christ that was more dramatic then the entire NBC weekday lineup.

Posted by iAmJohn

I disagree with what you're doing, but I can completely understand your frustration.

Posted by Commando

Well, I liked you Endogene, but if you feel like the creators are neglecting the community, I don't think leaving is the statement you should make.


I thought most people are pretty happy with the way things are. Yeah, on day one things were crazy, but that's expected. It was great, for a day... but if it didn't stop, GB would just be another site like 4chan. 

Allowing EVERYONE to edit wikis would probably be a mistake. Some of the people here are pretty immature. I do think 1000 points is a little bit too much though. And yeah, I remember submitting a couple pages(gh:WT artists) that were rejected because apparently singers/songwriters who played in GH:WT are not "people".

That did make me mad.

But that's really my only complaint as far as the Wiki goes.

I was able to start a huge trend on Brad Shoemaker's wiki page.
"Shoemaker's most famous attribute is his voice. It is a deep, sensual voice that can can be heard for miles. His voice has been described as "sexy" and "sultry", and many Giant Bombers believe it to be a mating call. His voice is not only used for attracting females, but it is also the perfect voice for both Video Reviews and the Giant Bombcast. It grabs the attention of both veterans and first-time listeners.

Another famous attribute is his perfectly shaven sideburns.  They are equal in length and hang just below the ear. These are also believed to attract females."
Yeah, that was me.
After that, the page was filled with similar posts. I was proud, even though no one knew it was me.

I'm sorry you feel like you have to leave to make a statement. Most of us veterans. will remember you. But now that you've said you're leaving, you have to leave. That's just how it is.

Don't pull an ItalyCanadian and come back after you say you're leaving.
Posted by MB

This just in...a wiki mod position is open. Inquire within. Actually I'm not sure if we will be replacing Endogene or not, but, there it is.

Moderator
Edited by Al3xand3r

Stick around Endogene, hopefully you'll find a place that's worth your effort, but don't ditch everyone here for that, just stop helping so much :-)

Posted by Meptron

lol. way over the top.
 
good bye my lordship.

Posted by Commando
@MB:
I'll do it! But I doubt I'll get it since I have so few points, but I'm pretty sure you know I won't abuse it.
Posted by Claude

Is it me or does the 6th most important contributor sound arrogant? I'm not up there, but I still feel I contribute... in my own way.

Posted by damnboyadvance

I understand your frustration, and I am beginning to see what you are wishing for, and I will try to carry it on because I understand. And although I'm not so sure if you should leave, I wish you good luck. We might be losing only one contributor, but it's still a lose we cannot replace. Goodbye!

Posted by Gunner612

Sometimes i feel as if giantbomb is run by nothing but meme's and the endurance run...

Posted by AndrewGaspar
@Gunner said:
" Sometimes i feel as if giantbomb is run by nothing but meme's and the endurance run... "
/me begins to speak up to contradict...

/me walks away. He's already lost the argument.
Posted by MB
@Commando said:
" @MB:
I'll do it! But I doubt I'll get it since I have so few points, but I'm pretty sure you know I won't abuse it.
"
I accept major credit cards through PayPal. But seriously, wiki mod is a thankless position that only the most dedicated editors should even consider applying for. If we decide there is a need, that is. It's kind of a group decision, the wiki mods will really need to band together and decide if they need the extra help or not.
Moderator
Posted by iAmJohn
@MB said:
" This just in...a wiki mod position is open. Inquire within. Actually I'm not sure if we will be replacing Endogene or not, but, there it is. "
I would like the position.  But since I don't think I'd ever get it, I'll nominate StarFoxA.
Posted by Bubahula

that was more drama than the oprah deciding on who to kill, the oc kids, or the 90210 kids,

that said it sucks that your going,  but i do disagree with your point on it not being a community site

Posted by pwr905

What a load of melodramatic bullshit. Oh, hey, I used to watch GB and company do reviews for "a previous site"; I guess that makes my opinion more valuable than others. Pardon my French, but piss off, sir.

Posted by SuperJoe

I'll always remember Endogene for his staunch support of the Dildo page.

Posted by Gunner612
@AndrewGaspar said:
" @Gunner said:
" Sometimes i feel as if giantbomb is run by nothing but meme's and the endurance run... "
/me begins to speak up to contradict.../me walks away. He's already lost the argument. "
In order for there to be an argument, you need to say something that opposes my opinion silly.
Posted by TheMustacheHero

So you're leaving because the founders of the site have no connection to the community?

Posted by alsnuts2

Wow, thats kind of big news.

I wont ever understand exactly what he was referring to but, he is responsible for making the P4 Endurance Run Tshirt thread what it became.

Happy Trails Endogene

Posted by Thordain

Man, with you and BoG down, the mods are sure taking some hits. Was good talking to ya Endogene.

Posted by L33tfella_H

Real Reason Endogene is Leaving btw.


Posted by JackiJinx
Rather needlessly dramatic, but it gets the message across that you have serious issue with how the site's run.

I do agree on a good portion of your points, but mostly just on the page matinence. So many pages have been needing deletion for awhile. When is someone going to get around to it?
Posted by Dethfish

I feel the GB crew care about their users more than most websites do. Maybe they don't listen to every suggestion we have but I don't think that means they don't care. If it was up to them I'm sure the site would be bug-free and perfect.

Posted by dartagnan

God, why do people make these shitty drama threads.

Posted by Alphazero

On the plus side, everyone number seven and higher just got promoted.

Oh, you Internet... you keep doing that thing you do.

Edited by DarkGamerOO7

What do you mean the creators don't support it? I'm sorry but I think you are over-reacting, I have been here sense July 21, 2008 (This is my second account my first one was DARKIDO07) and I've had no problems with this website. You also have to remember that the Giant Bomb team is very small.

Edited by Commando
@MB said:
" I accept major credit cards through PayPal. But seriously, wiki mod is a thankless position that only the most dedicated editors should even consider applying for. If we decide there is a need, that is. It's kind of a group decision, the wiki mods will really need to band together and decide if they need the extra help or not. "
I withdraw my application.
Posted by auspiciousqueue

If it is the principle of the matter to you, then I hope your point is made. Sorry to hear you feel that way. 

Posted by Origina1Penguin
@dartagnan said:
" God, why do people make these shitty drama threads. "
Eggs and bacey!  Awesome!

On topic:  So...what is Endogene upset about exactly?  The Mods don't get support from the Staff members?  Well, he's a mod, so I suppose he would know better than me.  He obviously finds it to be enough of a problem to give up, so perhaps his long and dramatic message will gain some more core support for the remaining mods.  I doubt it is from lack of caring though.  It is more likely because the staff is busy.
Posted by artofwar420

Good Luck, Have Fun. Serious business much?

Posted by jakob187

Sucks to see ya leave.  I'll safeguard all the porn pages for ya.  = D

Posted by zitosilva

Man, it pains me to see you leave. I remember you from day one, with all the discussions that helped Giant Bomb to take the shape it has today. I do hope that you take into consideration to eventually come back. You're saying some things are messed up, they'll probably be worse from now on. There aren't that many that care that much about the wiki nowadays, or at least that's what it seems.

Posted by Crono

His name is Endogene is all I took away from that.

Posted by Terra1909

Man, get of your high horse. Does anyone really come to this site for the Wiki content anyway? It's usually pretty poorly written and contains info that's already on Wikipedia or game specific wikis. I'm here primarily for the editorial content and the interesting and unique features that the guys come up with--and their doing a great job. Keep up the great work Giantbomb staff! Most of us are behind you.

Posted by ahriman22
@iplaygames said:
" Man, get of your high horse. Does anyone really come to this site for the Wiki content anyway? It's usually pretty poorly written and contains info that's already on Wikipedia or game specific wikis. I'm here primarily for the editorial content and the interesting and unique features that the guys come up with--and their doing a great job. Keep up the great work Giantbomb staff! Most of us are behind you. "
Why go to Wikipedia if we're already here?...
Your logic is faulty as shit.
Posted by iAmJohn
@iplaygames said:
" Man, get of your high horse. Does anyone really come to this site for the Wiki content anyway? It's usually pretty poorly written and contains info that's already on Wikipedia or game specific wikis. I'm here primarily for the editorial content and the interesting and unique features that the guys come up with--and their doing a great job. Keep up the great work Giantbomb staff! Most of us are behind you. "
For a site that advertises itself as "the world's largest editable video game database," it would be nice if the people behind the site gave much more of a damn about it.  I get that the five GB guys are busy with the editorial and video content most of the time and that the rest of the Whisky crew is busy working on the codebase and the other sites, but the Wiki portion has become more and more maligned as the site has matured, which sucks.

Either Whisky needs to hire people to be full-time database monitors or the mods need to be given more power.
Posted by Supermarius

It seems weird to make pornographic video games your legacy. Lets be honest, none of those games are particularly good and noone plays them for the compelling gameplay. They play them until they get excited, then they take care of business, then they stop. Is that really that awesome? I think i'd prefer it if there wasn't content on giantbomb that ppl are prolly jerking it to. H-games remind me of the N-gage: you take two things that are good, porn and video games and make one crappy thing. A videogame without good gameplay containing weird porn that not as good as the porn you could be looking at on the very computer where you are likely playing the H-game. I mean, havent you ppl heard of Redtube? Look at some porn THEN play an actually good game.

Posted by Terra1909
@ahriman22:

Because their game articles are fairly well written and thorough. Does it really take that much effort to open up a new window and go to Google?

It's not like I'm saying we should all leave GB and go to Wikipedia. I just think the wiki here is weak and done better other places.