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@MildMolasses said:

@CaptStickybeard said:

@NoTicket said:

Women in the tech and gaming world need to take responsibility for their image as well. It does not help matters when Veronica Belmont and Felicia Day host a webcast called "Vaginal Fantasy" and Nixie Pixel is posting top down cleavage shots as her profile pics. Many of the foremost "nerdy women" play up their sexuality and play a pivotal part of keeping the industry sexist.

Things aren't really going to move forward until we start to see women that don't talk about being a woman in the gaming industry, but are like Jonathan Blow, creating personal games that they care deeply about.

This is a fantastic point that no one seemed to notice.

There's a difference between choosing to sexualize yourself and being sexualized by others. None of those tweets were complaining about being treated like objects while they were doing cosplay photoshoots

Oh man is it really such a horrible thing that I as a man look at an attractive woman and sexualize her? Men and women sexualize each other aaaaalllll the time it's why the species hasn't died out yet.

@Do_The_Manta_Ray said:

"No advance in wealth, no softening of manners, no reform or revolution has ever brought human equality a millimeter nearer."

What I want to know, is why sexism consists exlusively under the purview of women. When they grandly proclaim that to be a women is hard and to be a man is easy, where is the consideration that they demand for themselves? Men are to treat them as equals, I hear you say. Then I ask, what would be considered equality under these conditions? Are men to treat women how they treat other women, as they treat men, as men treat women, as men treat men, or as something brand new, something that goes beyond the sexes, biology, nature and frankly, sense? Ironically, it's the only possibility as we are all, so different and so alike. It's a series of self-aware paradoxes that the majority of people tweeting seems to become utterly oblivious of in their rampaging serial-contrarian complaints. Not only is a state of non-sexism impossible for it is in our genetic code to view the other gender differently, but if such a state is desired, a non-state, so to speak, where all is equal and all is considered and forgotten at once in the brashest form of double-think, then how can we ever achieve it if we go to such lenghts, as seen in these posts, to seperate the two genders as to make one the scape-goat for the state of the other?

We all look at sexism with a frown on our face, for whatever reason we individually feel that it somehow incriminates or incapacitates us, but show me a society, a world, where women and men were treated the very same and I'll show you a world without sentient thought. Sexism seems to be defined as differential behaviour of the two sexes when one takes umbrage and catergorically decides to interpret it as an inherent fault of the other gender. Sexist in itself, the paradoxes are endless.

The thing is that you'd have to be sexless in order not to be sexist for it's all so very subjective, and we are all different due to so many different factors, one of them being sex. So then it's sexist to reform your way of thinking in order to better encompass the other gender and how you treat them for that invites the implication that you think you have to treat them in a softer, more pandering manner for they cannot handle what you have to hand out, thus a sexist notion. It's sexist to ignore them and act in a brusque, stereotypical fashion without consideration of the difference in gender, for to ignore the need of the other, to see them as equally able to take and receive as you might implies that the sensibilities of others are beyond your capacity of understanding and that you so will not go to greater lengths in order to understand what might offend or please the other gender, thus a sexist notion. And it is uniformly sexist to claim that the other gender is beholden, and yes even responsible, for your useless complaints, a sexist notion.

We are different, but we've managed to survive together, for very obvious reasons, for quite some time now. What these women and men seem to fail to understand is that both sides need to give ground, and that said ground will only be given unwillingly, and that finally if achieved, it will accomplish nothing for it's in how we differentiate that the spark of interest, attraction and thus, life itself lies.

This is seriously the most eloquent and reasonable post I've seen on the internet in a looooooong time. Bravo.

@Draxyle said:

What's even worse is the people completely dismissive of the problem; many completely missing the point.

It is a problem with culture, and everyone has a part in it. Standing back and doing nothing or denying that there is an issue at all is exactly why it's still prolific today.

I don't understand your point. There are literally dozens even hundreds even thousands of problems and issues that people think about and deal with every single day. Just because this one problem isn't as important to them as something else doesn't make them bad.

For example this issue to me isn't high on my priority list of issues that I deal with or do something about simply because of the priorities in my life. If you think that makes me a horrible person than OK, but I would encourage you to think about the issues and problems in the world that you personally don't spend time considering or thinking about and maybe you'll realize that you aren't really any different than the people that "dismiss" this one particular issue.

@ManMadeGod said:

@Indarys said:

The solution, thus, is to stop making products that appeal to only one gender. If all games appealed equally to both genders, both genders would likely be interested in being in the industry. The a whole new set of issues crops up, of course, in turning a homogenous industry into a diverse one. That's a whole different ball of wax, of course, but we aren't even at that bridge yet. You'd think that games like The Sims or World of Warcraft that do a good job of appealing to both genders would be what the industry -wants- to go for, since you're basically doubling your market, but as it stands, we still have the industry dominated by shootan games and D&D nerd battle babes. Instead of blaming men as a whole for something that's a product of their environment, the focus should be on changing the environment. Telling someone "If you like scantily clad women you're part of the problem" is going to hurt more than help--men like scantily clad women because they've been indoctrinated from birth to do so. They're as much victims of their environment as women who feel the need to diet and preen like supermodels. Fix the environment, you fix the problem. Get angry at people, and you are not only victim blaming, but making the problem worse.

Why would you want all games to be gender neutral? No other industry does this. Shampoo, novels, film, watches, plastic covers for your cell phone. Women and men are different. It's fine to have games target different audiences.

I have no problem with more diversity (games need it). But the idea that a game such as Dead or Alive is inherently bad because it targets a male audience confuses me.

This is a great point, and I completely agree.

@martyarf said:

@Arx724 said:

@martyarf said:

@Arx724: Truly a burden comparable to that of women.

Again, why should I care?

If you don't care about the marginalisation of half the world's population, then congrats on your sociopathic diagnosis.

Serious question. Since you care about this issue so much I'm curious as to what you have done in an attempt to help these issues? It's entirely possible that you actually do things to help, but overall I tend to think that caring about an issue and doing nothing about it is just as bad as not caring at all. Caring helps nobody, action does.

For example, suicide prevention is an important thing to me, so every year I try to donate money to some various charities and such to help out a little bit. But I'm not going to judge somebody that doesn't care about suicide prevention, and try and tell them that makes them a horrible person. Everybody is different.

@Arx724 said:

@martyarf said:

@Arx724: Truly a burden comparable to that of women.

Again, why should I care?

I mean if the issue doesn't bother you and you don't in fact care than you're right, there really isn't a reason for you to care. People are so quick to judge one another they assume that if you don't care about sexism that happens in the games industry that makes you a horrible person.

I tend to believe that everybody has things about them that make them horrible, and things that make them good. I'm sure the people judging you because you don't care have plenty of skeletons in their closet that you can judge them on. So we will all just continue to judge each other, have our own problems and solutions, and continue to be living, breathing human beings with our own unique perspectives and personalities. Frankly I prefer that to this mythical utopia where everybody thinks the exact same about everything.

@jozzy said:

@SpicyRichter said:

It's funny this is such a big deal when women in the middle east aren't even allowed to show their faces outside the home. Maybe some of this energy should be put into fighting for their rights?

There are places where kids have to work 10 hours a day for a few bowls of rice, maybe some energy should be put into fighting for their rights? Oh wait no, there are places where people die because of hunger, all energy should be put into that. Do you see how dumb that argument is?

I think he was trying to get people to gain a little perspective on the situation. The way some people react to these types of issues you would think that people are dying. Of course it's a silly argument but it's still an interesting point to consider.

But then again you could say this about pretty much anything like "Hey as long as people aren't dying it's not a big deal" and in that case nothing would ever get done. At the same time though I think outright dismissal of his point is dumb also. Why not take a moment to reflect on how great our lives are in the grand scheme of things before we dive into fighting social injustice. Perspective never hurt anybody.

@bloodsoul5 said:

@jozzy said:

@CaptStickybeard said:

Oh.

She has a point, just a shame it dominated those specific Giant Bomb shows. Also, I am not sure the reaction from the community would've been different if it was a man doing the exact same thing. Interesting though.

She doesnt have a point at all. drunk and annoying is terrible regardless of gender.

She doesn't have a point because she is the very definition of obnoxious, silly, immature, annoying and drunk. At least on the bombcast she was.

@CaptStickybeard said:

Oh.

She's joking right?

I'm having the same problem as well. Really unfortunate it makes the videos unwatchable.