TheOGVandalvideo

This is an interesting game thats coming out for the PC thats criminally underhyped. Just thought I'd get the news out there.

 Regardless of that, what is perceived as real is real in its consequence. If you go up to an average gamer and say what is a JRPG, they will say FF. They may not be right but we have to use some standard and majority is always the most culturally effective standard even if it ignores important detail. Killer 7 for example is one of my favorite games. It is largely misunderstood from a gameplay standpoint but I don't try and say everyone else is wrong because by mainstream game standards it isn't a good game just as by mainstream game standards FF is the JRPG standard.
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"There are definitely nowhere near thousands of games that are anywhere close to as popular as the FF series. I don't get who you're trying to show and what you're trying to prove. Nobody here is fighting with you.
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"You don't seem to be able to grasp the fact, however, that when people think of a JRPG (around the majority of the globe), they think of something like Final Fantasy. Yes- we get it and agree that Final Fantasy is in no way the closest definition of the genre in game form. It doesn't change the fact that a JRPG, in most people's minds, is a linear, turn based game. Just like a platformer is "a game where you jump around levels with environmental puzzles", even though it could easily be broken down into many permutations.
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While I understand where the OP and OGV are coming from you guys are both jumping on minor percieved differences in someones point and attempting to deconstruct them in a completely illogical and unfair manner. When you go to a layman and ask them what a JRPG is they will almost certainly reply with Final Fantasy, like it or not but that is the public perception and genres are almost all about the public perception. Yes experts like yourself might disagree but that doesn't stop Blink 182 being in the metal section at HMV and it doesn't stop people thinking of Final Fantasy when they think of JRPGs, its not an insult in fact its a compliment it's just that you guys are trying to define a sub-genre by trying to pull in more sub-genres while at the same time dismissing other games because they are a different sub-genre. The simpler definition is almost certainly the simplest as it enables everyone to understand it.
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"TheOGVandalvideo said: Look dude you're not going to get it. I'm not trying to insult JRPGs but merely trying address the problems. You're too busy defending your non-mainstream tastes than actually addressing the reality of JRPG design. FF and JRPGs are the same thing. Not all JRPGs are FF but FF is pretty much considered the standard for JRPG structure. Once a new popular JRPG with a different format comes along, JRPGs will innovate themselves on a large scale.
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": I know it's not the bar but many JRPGs follow the same structure. It doesn't matter if there are better examples because when defining a genre all that matters is what the average person recognizes. They think JRPG and they think FF.
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"I play Xenogears, Tales, Final Fantasy, Star Ocean, Shin Megami Tensei. Those series okay! You guys are ignoring that the word genre refers to a majority and the majority of JRPGs follow a formula. For God's sake I'm not attacking your favorite genre I'm pointing out there still needs to be a larger group of alternative JRPGs before people will break the current definition of the JRPG mold.
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": I didn't say they all have to have those but they usually have some of the elements. Often turn-based is a key. Regardless those games still have separated combat (meaning a different screen--at least for Tales) which is also a JRPG element.
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