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#1  Edited By Valendale

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It's a real shame, because the idiots at Koei's corporate offices think the reason Dynasty Warrior games didn't sell well on PC is because PC gamers have no interest in Arcade Beat'Em'Up games with tons of collectables and achievements. They don't seem to understand that the reason it did so poorly is because stores like GameStop were pulling it off the shelves because of returns, because they released two extremely broken ports on PC.

Koei doesn't seem to comprehend that when you sell a broken product and it does poorly, that doesn't mean people have no interest in the product, it means people don't want to buy or sell broken games they can't play.

I mean can you imagine this game on Steam, if it had full Controller Support, Online Play and Steam Achievements. It would sell like hot cakes, if Koei just understood that when you release a game, it has to be playable.

As much as I sympathize, the fact is that console-to-PC ports have a long history of not working out well. Dynasty Warriors games are not made with PC first and foremost in mind. And if they were having that much difficulty putting together worthwhile PC ports of their games, maybe they just felt it was easier to cut their losses and focus their development on console platforms.

But that's no excuse for releasing a product so broken that stores refused to sell it, refusing to ever even patch it so that it works properly, then assuming that the problem is that the audience isn't there for it, when in reality, the problem was the broken ass port that couldn't even have 50 things on the screen at a time if you got it to work.

I don't think the problem is that it's all that difficult to put a port together, I think the problem is that the people Koei paid to do it were con artists and Koei just never cared about PC gamers in the first place.

That said, this game really is perfect for Steam. There are a lot of controller based games out on PC now, and a lot of good ports done by good companies. Koei should look one of them up, get a real port done, put it on Steam, and have achievements for all the unlockables.

If they can put it on Xbox they can put it on PC, Xbox is just a second rate PC after all.

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It's just cute charming and adorable what can I say?

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The final act and the boss fights ruined the game for me. I was all set to play a second playthrough but when I saw the last chapter and saw the boss fights that forcibly take you out of stealth and force you into lethal confrontations, I lost all interest in the New Game Plus mode again.

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It's a real shame, because the idiots at Koei's corporate offices think the reason Dynasty Warrior games didn't sell well on PC is because PC gamers have no interest in Arcade Beat'Em'Up games with tons of collectables and achievements. They don't seem to understand that the reason it did so poorly is because stores like GameStop were pulling it off the shelves because of returns, because they released two extremely broken ports on PC.

Koei doesn't seem to comprehend that when you sell a broken product and it does poorly, that doesn't mean people have no interest in the product, it means people don't want to buy or sell broken games they can't play.

I mean can you imagine this game on Steam, if it had full Controller Support, Online Play and Steam Achievements. It would sell like hot cakes, if Koei just understood that when you release a game, it has to be playable, and were willing to patch them.

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Some people like arcade beat'em'ups where you get to level up your characters and try for challenging achievements and objectives, and unlock a bunch of items and characters and stuff.

And each new installment adds new features, new maps, new objectives, and tells stories differently.

So I hope that answers your question. Why do people keep buying generic racist Triple A shooters?

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I agree Dynasty Warriors is unjustly criticized for succeeding at being the type of game it is. It's an arcade beat'em'up that revolves around trying to meet targets and objectives, leveling up your character, unlocking new weapons characters outfits and horses, and generally just having fun. And they add new features with each installment so when reviewers give the game flak for being Dynasty Warriors, they're being idiots.

What the game does deserve criticism for is the terrible PC port so full of bugs and issues that were never fixed. I still get frustrated with units disappearing and popping in because the game arbitrarily limits the number of objects on screen, and the terrible draw distance, but what pissed me off the most was that I couldn't control the damn camera and it won't even let me rebind left/right on my right joystick so I had to rig the damn thing up with other buttons.

That's just sorry of them to release a game in such a bad state and never even patch it, I wish I knew of some community mod patch or something, because otherwise I love this game.

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You can probably run it but it's one of the worst PC port jobs I've ever seen. Some users have an issue where it automatically hits enter rapid fire and you can't really do anything because of it. Others have CTD issues. Everyone has terrible draw distance and units vanishing and popping in because the game is made for consoles and the devs made it to run on PS2 or something, on top of that your Xbox 360 controller will likely not allow you to rebind the right joystick to the camera and by default won't even let you control the camera with gamepad.

And they never did patch it. They just released the game in a horribly broken state, took customers money, and never fixed a god damn thing.

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I know it's a mindless hack and slash game and it doesn't exactly have the best resolutions and at times the voice acting and stories are contrived.

But this game is an underrated gem. It's extremely addictive, and will consume hours of your life if you give it a chance to. There are tons of weapons and characters and outfits to unlock and upgrade and a few really interesting scenarios to play. Some of the characters are actually interesting, there's a lot of content, and the game has a ton of replay value and can be a lot of fun to play with friends.

If you've played dynasty warriors you've played this only with different characters and on different maps. Yes it's the same game over and over, but you know what? Each time it's the same game with new content and a few improvements. Yes it's easy and mindlessly repetitive, but you know what? IT'S FUN! Critics judge games like this too harshly.

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Here's the real deal on the new features.

There are more ways to kill bosses, including hacking bots and turrets and gassing them to death. However you are still forced out of stealth and into cutscenes, and there is no way to avoid the fights, escape them, or resolve them without killing.

The Optional Dev Commentaries let you painfully listen to the developers be overly impressed with some things and attempt to justify really bad decisions while you're playing. Did you know they originally intended to have all dialogue in the game handled in cutscenes with zero dialogue options, and only decided to change that much later? I like the game ok but listening to their commentaries made me feel that these aren't the sort of people who should have been working on a Deus Ex game.

The DLC is pretty well integrated, and there appears to be some new cutscene content and stuff.

The ending still has you press a button to watch a slideshow. In commentary they talk about how they originally wanted you to perform tasks to get specific endings but ran out of time.