I Don't Think I Want to Play Anymore

Diablo 3. Hot goddamn, I can't think of a game in recent memory that has pissed off so many people for so many different reasons. The constantly online approach to design, the Real Money Auction House (RMAH), the server issues at launch including downtimes, log on issues. The bugs the baffling restrictions to accounts, account security. The list goes on, and on, and on.

I looked past all that. I played since the Closed Beta. I was anticipating this game ever since I had my fill of Diablo 2 way back when. And for all of its problems, I thoroughly enjoyed my time with 3 (once I could actually log in consistently). Progress wise, for some context, I have completed Act 1 on Inferno with a Witch Doctor, with about 100 hrs played.

However, after seeing the content four times now, not including playthroughs on secondary characters its starting to get stale. The loot pinata aspect of Diablo, which I usually enjoy just wasn't catching me. The frustration of getting to 4 stacks of Nephalem Valour (the buff that increases your Magic Item Drop chance) then meeting an elite or rare pack that is UNDEFEATABLE at my current ilevel and class choice meaning a restart and a loss of all the stacks is becoming more and more frequent. The ~200 ping that I am playing the game at makes it impossible (in most cases) to effectively dodge attacks, and it's compounding my frustration. My character dies in 1 hit. That's not cool.

Playing with a group alleviates this somewhat, but even then the impossible packs are still occurring. The cries of 'get better gear' 'grind out items' 'do some crafting' just annoy me further. I feel like I am making backwards progress, especially the most recent patch, which effectively halved my DPS output, due to it relying on Attack Speed % which was nerfed hard, so I need a better weapon. Sure, I could spend $180 on a replacement, but that's a little bit too crazy for me. (Although, in my moments of extreme frustration, I have been tempted).

And the game isn't really very fun for me anymore. In order to progress, I have to play a Witch Doctor build I don't enjoy. It doesn't suit me and the ping in Aus doesn't suit it. The much touted ability 'choices' are almost non existent at this level, with only 1 or 2 builds being effective. That's not what we were promised. In fact, it's the opposite.

I feel bad. I will stop playing this game. I defended it from all the criticisms and rage directed at it. I am not angry, just melancholic. The game is extremely fun. Playing with my group (shout out to my homies Sovereign, Batlad and Flower!) was such a consistently great experience. Maybe my expectations were too high, overall. I mean, most games end. Maybe I have finished this one? I don't know why that feels strange to say. Maybe because I have enjoyed effectively infinite fun from all previous Blizzard products? I'm not sure. Luckily, plenty of titles to enjoy in 2012. Maybe I'll come back once expansions start arriving, new content is released, or the patch notes finally list changes that make me excited, rather than upset. Who knows.

Thanks for the entertainment Blizzard and Diablo 3. Hope to see you again soon.

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Posted by Yokelbloke

Diablo 3. Hot goddamn, I can't think of a game in recent memory that has pissed off so many people for so many different reasons. The constantly online approach to design, the Real Money Auction House (RMAH), the server issues at launch including downtimes, log on issues. The bugs the baffling restrictions to accounts, account security. The list goes on, and on, and on.

I looked past all that. I played since the Closed Beta. I was anticipating this game ever since I had my fill of Diablo 2 way back when. And for all of its problems, I thoroughly enjoyed my time with 3 (once I could actually log in consistently). Progress wise, for some context, I have completed Act 1 on Inferno with a Witch Doctor, with about 100 hrs played.

However, after seeing the content four times now, not including playthroughs on secondary characters its starting to get stale. The loot pinata aspect of Diablo, which I usually enjoy just wasn't catching me. The frustration of getting to 4 stacks of Nephalem Valour (the buff that increases your Magic Item Drop chance) then meeting an elite or rare pack that is UNDEFEATABLE at my current ilevel and class choice meaning a restart and a loss of all the stacks is becoming more and more frequent. The ~200 ping that I am playing the game at makes it impossible (in most cases) to effectively dodge attacks, and it's compounding my frustration. My character dies in 1 hit. That's not cool.

Playing with a group alleviates this somewhat, but even then the impossible packs are still occurring. The cries of 'get better gear' 'grind out items' 'do some crafting' just annoy me further. I feel like I am making backwards progress, especially the most recent patch, which effectively halved my DPS output, due to it relying on Attack Speed % which was nerfed hard, so I need a better weapon. Sure, I could spend $180 on a replacement, but that's a little bit too crazy for me. (Although, in my moments of extreme frustration, I have been tempted).

And the game isn't really very fun for me anymore. In order to progress, I have to play a Witch Doctor build I don't enjoy. It doesn't suit me and the ping in Aus doesn't suit it. The much touted ability 'choices' are almost non existent at this level, with only 1 or 2 builds being effective. That's not what we were promised. In fact, it's the opposite.

I feel bad. I will stop playing this game. I defended it from all the criticisms and rage directed at it. I am not angry, just melancholic. The game is extremely fun. Playing with my group (shout out to my homies Sovereign, Batlad and Flower!) was such a consistently great experience. Maybe my expectations were too high, overall. I mean, most games end. Maybe I have finished this one? I don't know why that feels strange to say. Maybe because I have enjoyed effectively infinite fun from all previous Blizzard products? I'm not sure. Luckily, plenty of titles to enjoy in 2012. Maybe I'll come back once expansions start arriving, new content is released, or the patch notes finally list changes that make me excited, rather than upset. Who knows.

Thanks for the entertainment Blizzard and Diablo 3. Hope to see you again soon.

Posted by OllyOxenFree

  

Edited by clstirens

I have, since level one, felt the "loot pinata" in Diablo 3 is lacking. It just feels like it's dropping shit 99.99% of the time. Moreso than other games. Like, I'm not even counting non-blue in that statistic.

Edited by TruthTellah

Yep. Eventually, all games come to an end for you. Good that you had so much fun with it while it lasted.

Posted by Kyle

Dude, you played the game for 100 hours. It's not weird that you don't want to keep playing. And you could always play a different class on a lower difficulty level.

Edited by Klei

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Posted by haffy

@Klei said:

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Did you not play Diablo 2? I really don't understand all the bitching about the RMAH, it was always going to be possible to buy items.

I actually prefer them having a RMAH. In Diablo 2 it got to the point where there was bot rush runs, bot baal runs, bot chaos sanc runs that were all public games. I know botting is getting kind of bad in Diablo 3, but at least it will actually get some attention now they have an incentive to put a stop to it.

Edited by Klei

@haffy said:

@Klei said:

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Did you not play Diablo 2? I really don't understand all the bitching about the RMAH, it was always going to be possible to buy items.

I actually prefer them having a RMAH. In Diablo 2 it got to the point where there was bot rush runs, bot baal runs, bot chaos sanc runs that were all public games. I know botting is getting kind of bad in Diablo 3, but at least it will actually get some attention now they have an incentive to put a stop to it.

You don't understand the problem of RMAH? I'll explain it to you. You purchase a said weapon for, I dunno, 34.99. It's good, it's what you need. Still, the game is super hard, but hey, you've got your weapon. And then, a patch. A patch that destroys your main weapon's purpose and at the same time, destroys its worth. Blizzard tells you they don't want you to play that way anymore, and that at your expense, you are to go back to the drawing board and start all over again. Because, chances are, you've got no more gold, and only your wallet to help you out.

And I've stated a situation that contains only one item, but in most situation, you probably already spent millions of gold pieces trying to improve every part of your character sheet, if not real money. And then bam. It's worth nothing. You think it's great? A shit load of people would beg to differ. I could go on and on about how the latency fucks your game up in Inferno. About how you're forced to use ONE set of skills and runes, about how you're forced to into hearing the same horrible story audio-clips all over and over. Diablo III hasn't been made by the original Condor Software team who made DI and DII, and it shows.

Posted by haffy

@Klei said:

@haffy said:

@Klei said:

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Did you not play Diablo 2? I really don't understand all the bitching about the RMAH, it was always going to be possible to buy items.

I actually prefer them having a RMAH. In Diablo 2 it got to the point where there was bot rush runs, bot baal runs, bot chaos sanc runs that were all public games. I know botting is getting kind of bad in Diablo 3, but at least it will actually get some attention now they have an incentive to put a stop to it.

You don't understand the problem of RMAH? I'll explain it to you. You purchase a said weapon for, I dunno, 34.99. It's good, it's what you need. Still, the game is super hard, but hey, you've got your weapon. And then, a patch. A patch that destroys your main weapon's purpose and at the same time, destroys its worth. Blizzard tells you they don't want you to play that way anymore, and that at your expense, you are to go back to the drawing board and start all over again. Because, chances are, you've got no more gold, and only your wallet to help you out.

And I've stated a situation that contains only one item, but in most situation, you probably already spent millions of gold pieces trying to improve every part of your character sheet, if not real money. And then bam. It's worth nothing. You think it's great? A shit load of people would beg to differ. I could go on and on about how the latency fucks your game up in Inferno. About how you're forced to use ONE set of skills and runes, about how you're forced to into hearing the same horrible story audio-clips all over and over. Diablo III hasn't been made by the original Condor Software team who made DI and DII, and it shows.

So basically what your saying is you haven't played Diablo 2 before?

I don't understand your argument about RMAH either. Your saying RMAH is a stupid idea and it should never of been implemented. But you defend the people who are buying stuff on the RMAH. Also it's not as if it was only nerfing items from the RMAH. They nerfed IAS for everyone. So people could of spent hours grinding instead of spending their money and they lost some DPS or whatever. So you feel sorry for people who bought from RMAH, which you don't like and completely ignore the other people who have not touched RMAH. I think your problem with that was the nerf, it has almost nothing to do with the RMAH and stop making it out like the only people effected were people who bought items.

So what if you spent millions on items to get further in inferno. In Diablo 2 there was no inferno. You got to hell, did some Baal runs till you were board. Did some MF runs where you want, maybe get some torchs. At least in this game you've got something to aim for by how difficult inferno is, or at least was before they nerfed it. But people again differ in their views of what inferno was actually meant for. I see it as a challenge, where maybe I'll do it on HC after years of on and off playing. But others see it as something they're entitled to do for some crazy reason.

No your not forced to use one set of skills. I can't even be bothered to argue this, because I've used tons of different skills on my DHs when I've been leveling them back up after dying in HC and when I beat Inferno on SC. So it's realistically a problem of yours, not for everyone.

No your not forced to listen to audio clips over and over. You can press space bar to skip them. Turn certain audio off or turn all the audio off.

Posted by SathingtonWaltz

All these horror stories have honestly kept me from even trying Diablo III out. Not to mention that everything it represents is just detestable to me, I really hate how they have handled this game.

Posted by MariachiMacabre
@Klei

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Diablo III is the fastest selling PC game ever. How is it a failure? Because people bitch about every little thing? That happens to every controversial game. Hell, it happened to Mass Effect 3 only two months before this launched. People never stop bitching.
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Edited by Klei

@haffy said:

@Klei said:

@haffy said:

@Klei said:

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Did you not play Diablo 2? I really don't understand all the bitching about the RMAH, it was always going to be possible to buy items.

I actually prefer them having a RMAH. In Diablo 2 it got to the point where there was bot rush runs, bot baal runs, bot chaos sanc runs that were all public games. I know botting is getting kind of bad in Diablo 3, but at least it will actually get some attention now they have an incentive to put a stop to it.

You don't understand the problem of RMAH? I'll explain it to you. You purchase a said weapon for, I dunno, 34.99. It's good, it's what you need. Still, the game is super hard, but hey, you've got your weapon. And then, a patch. A patch that destroys your main weapon's purpose and at the same time, destroys its worth. Blizzard tells you they don't want you to play that way anymore, and that at your expense, you are to go back to the drawing board and start all over again. Because, chances are, you've got no more gold, and only your wallet to help you out.

And I've stated a situation that contains only one item, but in most situation, you probably already spent millions of gold pieces trying to improve every part of your character sheet, if not real money. And then bam. It's worth nothing. You think it's great? A shit load of people would beg to differ. I could go on and on about how the latency fucks your game up in Inferno. About how you're forced to use ONE set of skills and runes, about how you're forced to into hearing the same horrible story audio-clips all over and over. Diablo III hasn't been made by the original Condor Software team who made DI and DII, and it shows.

So basically what your saying is you haven't played Diablo 2 before?

I don't understand your argument about RMAH either. Your saying RMAH is a stupid idea and it should never of been implemented. But you defend the people who are buying stuff on the RMAH. Also it's not as if it was only nerfing items from the RMAH. They nerfed IAS for everyone. So people could of spent hours grinding instead of spending their money and they lost some DPS or whatever. So you feel sorry for people who bought from RMAH, which you don't like and completely ignore the other people who have not touched RMAH. I think your problem with that was the nerf, it has almost nothing to do with the RMAH and stop making it out like the only people effected were people who bought items.

So what if you spent millions on items to get further in inferno. In Diablo 2 there was no inferno. You got to hell, did some Baal runs till you were board. Did some MF runs where you want, maybe get some torchs. At least in this game you've got something to aim for by how difficult inferno is, or at least was before they nerfed it. But people again differ in their views of what inferno was actually meant for. I see it as a challenge, where maybe I'll do it on HC after years of on and off playing. But others see it as something they're entitled to do for some crazy reason.

No your not forced to use one set of skills. I can't even be bothered to argue this, because I've used tons of different skills on my DHs when I've been leveling them back up after dying in HC and when I beat Inferno on SC. So it's realistically a problem of yours, not for everyone.

No your not forced to listen to audio clips over and over. You can press space bar to skip them. Turn certain audio off or turn all the audio off.

The fuck, brother? What's the deal with your assumption that I haven't played Diablo 2? I played it for nearly seven years. I made twenty different builds. It had a pitch-perfect difficulty and rewarded experimentation. I had a fucking melee sorceress. for Christ's sake!

About the RMAH? I'm not saying it's a stupid idea. I'm saying it's a farce. There's a large difference. But that, I'll leave it to you to discover its meaning.

Speaking of AH, you act like if there's people who beat inferno without touching the AH. There sure are. Like, a couple hundreds who play with the right class and got lucky. But see, the AH as been developed for one purpose ; you to get mad at your ridicule progress, and want to shell out money to move onward. That's the SOLE reason of the AH. I don't get why I have to explain this to you, it's so obvious.

As for skills, you don't get it. There are unbalanced skills, some that are far better than they should be and some that are far weaker, if not downright broken. If you don't get this, try and experiment with another level 60 character. You HAVE to use a certain set of skills if you play, for instance, the barbarian. If you don't you won't make it past Act 1. There's no room for tinkering. Also ; latency. If you happen to live in, for instance, Australia, then you're fucked. You'll lag all the time without even knowing it.

Audio clips? It's the whole story that's shoved down your throat every time you replay the game. I understand that a story is important, but for a game like this that is made to be replayed indefinitely, it's super irritating.

I feel like arguing with you is pointless, but whatever. If you like DIII, then by all means, game on. But you should check out the official forums from time to time. You'll see how people feel.

Posted by BionicRadd

Am I just misunderstanding or is your complaint that Inferno is really hard? Grinding out gear is sadly the answer and I get not wanting to do that, but I don't know what to tell you. If they hadn't made inferno so frustratingly hard for folks, we'd have a different batch of people making constant threads about how easy the game is. From everything I have read, I will probably claw my way to 60 because I want to see what a maxed out build feels like, but I will probably pass on Inferno. Inferno sounds like it is hard and it is unforgiving and I applaud Blizzard for having the balls to do that in this age of participation trophies for turning the game on.

However, as someone else said, walking away after 100 hours played is not a bad thing. That says to me you got more than your 60 dollars worth. Play some other games and in a month or two, come back to D3 on another class when you don't have anything else to play. Personally, I beat Normal and I am going to take a break and play some other stuff for a bit. I feel no urge to power through everything D3 has to offer in the first few months it is out and I am not paying a monthly fee to play it, so I can come back whenever I want.

Posted by fox01313

Between the ongoing lag issues I've had since launch plus the game compared to other similar ones (ie. Titan Quest, Sacred2 & maybe even Torchlight), the core game of Diablo3 just feels excessively short. Maybe if it had a couple more acts it might have been better for me, guess after seeing the achievements of beating the game in a total of 4 hours from the achievements that it just wasn't going to be that diverse. I know that once I uninstalled it (can always go back & install later and quicker than something like WoW), I've been finding other things to dive into.

Posted by BionicRadd

@Klei: You can escape out of every single piece of dialog as soon as they start. You are never forced to listen to a single bit of it.

You will never NEED to touch either version of the AH. That is a want because you are tired of grinding for gear, not a need. Even if you want to hit the AH, you can go for the gold AH. Diablo 2 was constantly re balanced, so buyer beware when paying money for any item in this game. I am personally of the opinion that anyone that pays more than 2 bucks for a virtual item in a game like this is a sucker, anyway.

You played a sorceress? Are you going to pretend it wasn't a Frozen Orb build?

Also, as was mentioned, Diablo 2 didn't have anything like Inferno and the way they upped difficulty in D2 was just terrible. I went from being able to blindly kill Normal Diablo in D2 to barely being able to kill zombies in Nightmare because I wasn't stacking huge amounts of resist gear to make up for the resist debuff you got as soon as you went into Nightmare. I hated it. Having played a bit of Act I Nightmare in D3, the difficulty scaling is perfect. Everything I am fighting is just a touch more difficult than the stuff I was fighting in Act IV of Normal.

Edited by Toxeia

@Klei: I've checked the official forums. People are upset, and honestly I'd feel some kind of connection with them if they were capable of putting together a sentence or at least attempting constructive criticism. Blizzard's got a bad problem with making great games that are viewed as trash because "Ugh this game is fucking terrible. Blizzard's dying man. All they do is produce shit games. How to fix it? Duhhhh... I don't know, I'm not Blizzard. I'm not doing their job for them." And usually those posts are due to things like "Smoke Screen duration reduced to 1.5s from 2.0s."

And heads up, the RMAH was in Diablo 2 as well. Was Blizzard getting a cut? No. Why? Because it was a bunch of sites that were illegally attaining gear to sell to people who were dumb enough to spend real money on it. But there were plenty of people who did it. Blizzard would be retarded not to get themselves a cut of that and to make something that's going to happen anyway a legal transaction. Patches wrecked items in D2 as well, but maybe because it's been out so long and the majority of the patches on the back end of that game were just bug fixes you forgot about that. And even knowing that (If you seriously thought there wouldn't be fixes on a game like this that would make changes to weapons, you're clearly an idiot) people are still willing to do it. Here's the thing though. Money's value is totally relative. A Mexican peso is worth less than a US dollar is worth less than a Euro. If I exchange my USD for Euros, I'm not guaranteed that those Euros will maintain that same value over the dollar. It could go up, it could go down. It's just how money works, and when you convert money into a virtual item or currency, it loses a TON of value. It's something you have to live with if you want to use the RMAH. If you don't like it, don't use it. Seems like the GAH is working just fine for me and my friends. Found a pair of shoulders with 230 str, 180 vit, 18% MF, and 54 resist all for around 250K gold. Totally anecdotal, but I refuse to believe that the RMAH has ruined the GAH.

And yeah, they dropped the ball on the game coming out with server loads. 6.5 million copies sold. It's almost like they wanted the game to fail out the gate, right? I mean, who's in it to make money? You'd think that if it was a solvable problem it would have been solved by now. I wish it was if only to make whiners go away.

@Yokelbloke: The problems you're bringing up are legitimate. If the loot pinata's not doing it for you, then that's not a problem with you, it's just how the game's working for you. And I'm with you on some of it. 900 DPS cross bow that I can sell, except it's only got tons of strength and intelligence on it. Kind of a bummer. But damn, finding that 1k DPS 2 hander with shit tons of vitality and intelligence, with attack speed bonuses and a -10 level restriction for my wizard? That was a rush. Shit just melts and it's beautiful. If you haven't gotten something like that though, then it's hard to see the joy of it.

And the story... yeah, it's short and gets tired easily when the game is based on playing through it for every difficulty, same "twists" every time. If you hit ESC you can get through all the dialog at least, and skip to the monster bashing. That's what you come to Diablo for any way though.

Edited by yoshisaur

Are we seriously still on this butt-hurt bandwagon? For the love of God, people, continue playing the game if you enjoy it, or fucking stop and move onto something else.

We get it - some people enjoy the game and some hate it. The dead horse is no longer identifiable because you people have beaten it so much. Everyone needs to stop acting like they are some 8-year Ivy league Analyst graduate who knows how to fix all problems with simple logic.

Posted by Iron_Tool

@ck1nd said:

Are we seriously still on this butt-hurt bandwagon? For the love of God, people, continue playing the game if you enjoy it, or fucking stop and move onto something else.

We get it - some people enjoy the game and some hate it. The dead horse is no longer identifiable because you people have beaten it so much. Everyone needs to stop acting like they are some 8-year Ivy league Analyst graduate who knows how to fix all problems with simple logic.

THIS!

Edited by Klei

@MariachiMacabre said:

@Klei

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Diablo III is the fastest selling PC game ever. How is it a failure? Because people bitch about every little thing? That happens to every controversial game. Hell, it happened to Mass Effect 3 only two months before this launched. People never stop bitching.

Blizzard's for sale. I guess Diablo III didn't reach the expectations somehow. And even if it did, a game can be a marketing success and a failure among gamers nonetheless. Look, i'm not saying that Diablo 3 is a scam, or that it's a bad game. I just have an opinion on it, and that's it. I'm not trying to say that you should dislike the game or anything. If you love it, then by all means, enjoy yourself. We're here to discuss on a subject made by the TC. If people don't like it, then just don't reply to it.

Posted by RIDEBIRD

If you need to spend 35 or 180 bucks to deal with act 2 your gear is seriously not your problem. In fact, you dont need to spend shit. Its just faster. You do have to use the gold AH though, and I see nothing wrong with that. With the game's loot system, it's a must, if you dont want to rely on blind luck while grinding out gear.

I never played D2 though so my argument is always invalid in this. Anyway, 150 hours in, two 60s, still enjoying it somewhat. Stuck in act 3 inferno with my monk so I'm playing a wizard instead. So far ranged is about 5000 times easier and I doubt I'll have to chuck out more then 2-3 mil to make act 2 happen.

On point tho, if you dont feel like playing, dont. I think most people will find the most enjoyment in not continuing past act 1, because thats where the total bullshit of random champion packs really fuck you over hard. You can do act 1 inferno in just about anything and live, but act 2 and 3... Yeah.

Posted by deox

Well, you got 100 hours of enjoyment out of it. Say your goodbyes and move on, maybe you'll have some interest in picking it up again in a few months.

Edited by pweidman

@Klei said:

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

This is pretty much right on. Yeah it sold a shitload, but people have left the game in droves(under a 1k public games last I checked), and in the long run it will be looked back upon as a huge missed opportunity by Blizzard. PvP won't change a thing. The RMAH is a terminal sentence for the game and gamer disappointment is everywhere you look. If you don't agree fine, but most who've put in the hrs playing the game agree. Take a look at the Amazon reviews(read a few before passing judgement; it's not like Metacritic at all)...they are pretty damn reflective of the problem. Hell, Bashiok is even admitting the game has problems with it's fanbase.

Edited by Xymox

Was a nice read, and I can't help but agree. Other's are reporting similar things.

I played through it withall classes except witch doctor, and stuck with one character to inferno act 2, where I'm at a crossroads currently of "go back to act 1 to farm enough money to try that same content that I get one-shot by"... So I'm just done at this point. I burned out, and I don't think there's any chance of getting back into it. That's the problem with reusing/having people replay the same game over and over.

Oh, and the patches definitely haven't helped.

Posted by 1337W422102

I said, "Fuck that noise" and reinstalled Diablo 1.  Haven't looked back.

Posted by MariachiMacabre

@Klei said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

@Klei

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Diablo III is the fastest selling PC game ever. How is it a failure? Because people bitch about every little thing? That happens to every controversial game. Hell, it happened to Mass Effect 3 only two months before this launched. People never stop bitching.

Blizzard's for sale. I guess Diablo III didn't reach the expectations somehow. And even if it did, a game can be a marketing success and a failure among gamers nonetheless. Look, i'm not saying that Diablo 3 is a scam, or that it's a bad game. I just have an opinion on it, and that's it. I'm not trying to say that you should dislike the game or anything. If you love it, then by all means, enjoy yourself. We're here to discuss on a subject made by the TC. If people don't like it, then just don't reply to it.

Vivendi selling its 61% stake in Activision-Blizzard has nothing to do with Diablo 3. It's because Vivendi needs money. A-B is a multi-billion dollar company, as well as the most successful company in the entire industry. Diablo 3 exceeded sales expectations by, I'm reiterating this, destroying day one sales records. It's not that hard to understand. You not liking it doesn't mean you get to make shit up and make connections that don't exist.

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Posted by csl316

Game was fun. Got 4 hours in, halfway through nightmare. I wasn't dying with my monk and got bored. I know it gets more challenging but I've had my fill already.

Posted by SeanFoster

I made it halfway through Hell before I started to feel diminishing returns. I'll play more when an expansion comes out.

Edited by Klei

@MariachiMacabre said:

@Klei said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

@Klei

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Diablo III is the fastest selling PC game ever. How is it a failure? Because people bitch about every little thing? That happens to every controversial game. Hell, it happened to Mass Effect 3 only two months before this launched. People never stop bitching.

Blizzard's for sale. I guess Diablo III didn't reach the expectations somehow. And even if it did, a game can be a marketing success and a failure among gamers nonetheless. Look, i'm not saying that Diablo 3 is a scam, or that it's a bad game. I just have an opinion on it, and that's it. I'm not trying to say that you should dislike the game or anything. If you love it, then by all means, enjoy yourself. We're here to discuss on a subject made by the TC. If people don't like it, then just don't reply to it.

Vivendi selling its 61% stake in Activision-Blizzard has nothing to do with Diablo 3. It's because Vivendi needs money. A-B is a multi-billion dollar company, as well as the most successful company in the entire industry. Diablo 3 exceeded sales expectations by, I'm reiterating this, destroying day one sales records. It's not that hard to understand. You not liking it doesn't mean you get to make shit up and make connections that don't exist.

6million units is easy-shit for '' the most successful company on the industry''. They've got a thousand employees to pay, marketing shareholders to pay and other leeches to feed. You think they're rolling in their profit, laughing out loud, thinking they '' did it '' with Diablo 3? Also, I never said I didn't like it, it's just another goddamn assumption made by your aggressive-self. I'm not adding anything else on that subject.

Posted by MariachiMacabre

@Klei said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

@Klei said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

@Klei

I feel you, TC. Diablo III is the prime example of a great idea butchered by bad marketing decisions and shareholders who don't give a fuck about what makes a game tick or not. Diablo III is a colossal failure. Why? Because they took the prized jewel of nostalgia itself and made it into a RMAH farce. That, people won't forget easily.

Diablo III is the fastest selling PC game ever. How is it a failure? Because people bitch about every little thing? That happens to every controversial game. Hell, it happened to Mass Effect 3 only two months before this launched. People never stop bitching.

Blizzard's for sale. I guess Diablo III didn't reach the expectations somehow. And even if it did, a game can be a marketing success and a failure among gamers nonetheless. Look, i'm not saying that Diablo 3 is a scam, or that it's a bad game. I just have an opinion on it, and that's it. I'm not trying to say that you should dislike the game or anything. If you love it, then by all means, enjoy yourself. We're here to discuss on a subject made by the TC. If people don't like it, then just don't reply to it.

Vivendi selling its 61% stake in Activision-Blizzard has nothing to do with Diablo 3. It's because Vivendi needs money. A-B is a multi-billion dollar company, as well as the most successful company in the entire industry. Diablo 3 exceeded sales expectations by, I'm reiterating this, destroying day one sales records. It's not that hard to understand. You not liking it doesn't mean you get to make shit up and make connections that don't exist.

6million units is easy-shit for '' the most successful company on the industry''. They've got a thousand employees to pay, marketing shareholders to pay and other leeches to feed. You think they're rolling in their profit, laughing out loud, thinking they '' did it '' with Diablo 3? Also, I never said I didn't like it, it's just another goddamn assumption made by your aggressive-self. I'm not adding anything else on that subject.

Blizzard and "rolling in profit" go together perfectly and have for years. It's silly to pretend that they are at all hurting for money considering they have the most popular MMO in the world with 10 million subscribers, the most popular RTS in the world that has a huge tournament scene and now they have the fastest selling PC game of all time. But yeah, they're totally on the verge of being the next 38 Studios. Right.

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There is almost nothing more annoying to me than people who just respond to something like this with "stop whining" or "stop being butthurt lol".

Nothing wrong with caring or conversing on a damn forum. The complaints are legit.

IMO as soon as there were decisions being made with the real money auction house in mind the gameplay was bound to suffer. I understand Blizzard might want to make money off of something that is going to occur anyways and might deserve to, but at some point you have to just want to and be concerned with putting out a good game.

Posted by Loafsmooch

@Klei said:

As for skills, you don't get it. There are unbalanced skills, some that are far better than they should be and some that are far weaker, if not downright broken. If you don't get this, try and experiment with another level 60 character. You HAVE to use a certain set of skills if you play, for instance, the barbarian. If you don't you won't make it past Act 1. There's no room for tinkering. Also ; latency. If you happen to live in, for instance, Australia, then you're fucked. You'll lag all the time without even knowing it.

Dude you're talking out of your ass. There's plenty of ways to play both barbs and monks (the two classes I've leveled to 60 and geared for inferno act3/4).

All I see is a damned hater doin the hatin thing.

If you don't like the game, don't play it.

Posted by ajamafalous
@Loafsmooch said:

@Klei said:

As for skills, you don't get it. There are unbalanced skills, some that are far better than they should be and some that are far weaker, if not downright broken. If you don't get this, try and experiment with another level 60 character. You HAVE to use a certain set of skills if you play, for instance, the barbarian. If you don't you won't make it past Act 1. There's no room for tinkering. Also ; latency. If you happen to live in, for instance, Australia, then you're fucked. You'll lag all the time without even knowing it.

Dude you're talking out of your ass. There's plenty of ways to play both barbs and monks (the two classes I've leveled to 60 and geared for inferno act3/4).

All I see is a damned hater doin the hatin thing.

If you don't like the game, don't play it.

I'd like you to share with me the "plenty of Barb builds." If you aren't using Double Tornado or Weapon Throw then your build is centered around Revenge, no question.
Edited by Loafsmooch

Yeah, personally I always use revenge. I don't see anything wrong in that, it's a nice ability. But there are other options for fury spending builds than double tornado or weapon throw. People have cleared all acts with 2hander-seismic slam builds. There are plenty of ways to play a barb, really. Though if you think you're entitled to clear inferno by trying to facetank everything and stand in the fires, then you're honestly just playing it wrong.

Edit: I'm not saying you are one of those people, but a lot of the criticism I see is coming from people like that.

Edited by Robo

@ArtisanBreads

There is almost nothing more annoying to me than people who just respond to something like this with "stop whining" or "stop being butthurt lol".

Nothing wrong with caring or conversing on a damn forum. The complaints are legit.

IMO as soon as there were decisions being made with the real money auction house in mind the gameplay was bound to suffer. I understand Blizzard might want to make money off of something that is going to occur anyways and might deserve to, but at some point you have to just want to and be concerned with putting out a good game.

Fucking THIS.

God forbid someone point out obvious flaws in what could and should be a more complete experience.

How dare they complain about the ridiculous end game cocktease as the result of some highly questionable manipulation of the core feature of the franchise (the loot treadmill) with the intention of forcing people to the auction houses.

How dare they express any displeasure with these notions that tedious, unrewarding end game gear/gold grinds = content and combinations of cheap enemy affixes that quickly become overpowered = a fair challenge.

You dare question the great, all-knowing Blizzard!?

In their words, "Aren't you thankful?"

Posted by emem
@ajamafalous said:
@Loafsmooch said:

@Klei said:

As for skills, you don't get it. There are unbalanced skills, some that are far better than they should be and some that are far weaker, if not downright broken. If you don't get this, try and experiment with another level 60 character. You HAVE to use a certain set of skills if you play, for instance, the barbarian. If you don't you won't make it past Act 1. There's no room for tinkering. Also ; latency. If you happen to live in, for instance, Australia, then you're fucked. You'll lag all the time without even knowing it.

Dude you're talking out of your ass. There's plenty of ways to play both barbs and monks (the two classes I've leveled to 60 and geared for inferno act3/4).

All I see is a damned hater doin the hatin thing.

If you don't like the game, don't play it.

I'd like you to share with me the "plenty of Barb builds." If you aren't using Double Tornado or Weapon Throw then your build is centered around Revenge, no question.
Well, you've already named 3 builds and that's plenty to learn and master for 1 class out of 5 in a single game.  
 
Sometimes I wonder what people want out of a game... sure, Diablo 3 has a lot of "little" flaws (no end-game, everything around the auction house, etc.), but gameplay wise... it doesn't get much better than this in a hack and slash, imho.
Posted by ajamafalous
@Loafsmooch said:

Yeah, personally I always use revenge. I don't see anything wrong in that, it's a nice ability. But there are other options for fury spending builds than double tornado or weapon throw. People have cleared all acts with 2hander-seismic slam builds. There are plenty of ways to play a barb, really. Though if you think you're entitled to clear inferno by trying to facetank everything and stand in the fires, then you're honestly just playing it wrong.

Edit: I'm not saying you are one of those people, but a lot of the criticism I see is coming from people like that.

Well, if you want to join my game, I can show you that I can do that. I was farming Inferno Diablo pre-1.0.3 nerf, so after the nerf nothing's dangerous anymore. I can even facetank Ghom's enrage.
 
@emem said:
@ajamafalous said:
@Loafsmooch said:

@Klei said:

As for skills, you don't get it. There are unbalanced skills, some that are far better than they should be and some that are far weaker, if not downright broken. If you don't get this, try and experiment with another level 60 character. You HAVE to use a certain set of skills if you play, for instance, the barbarian. If you don't you won't make it past Act 1. There's no room for tinkering. Also ; latency. If you happen to live in, for instance, Australia, then you're fucked. You'll lag all the time without even knowing it.

Dude you're talking out of your ass. There's plenty of ways to play both barbs and monks (the two classes I've leveled to 60 and geared for inferno act3/4).

All I see is a damned hater doin the hatin thing.

If you don't like the game, don't play it.

I'd like you to share with me the "plenty of Barb builds." If you aren't using Double Tornado or Weapon Throw then your build is centered around Revenge, no question.
Well, you've already named 3 builds and that's plenty to learn and master for 1 class out of 5 in a single game.   Sometimes I wonder what people want out of a game... sure, Diablo 3 has a lot of "little" flaws (no end-game, everything around the auction house, etc.), but gameplay wise... it doesn't get much better than this in a hack and slash, imho.
I totally agree that the feel of the combat is incredibly well done, but for a game that is the sequel to Diablo II (my favorite game ever, and a game that I spent over a decade playing), I expected more than to be done with it after a month.
Posted by TheDudeOfGaming

My advice? Move on to greener, bigger, better pastures...like Skyrim. If you haven't already, if you have, return to it.

Posted by Orbitz89

@TheDudeOfGaming said:

My advice? Move on to greener, bigger, better pastures...like Skyrim. If you haven't already, if you have, return to it.

This guy gets it.

Edited by Turambar
@Klei: The real money transactions have always existed in D2.  It merely wasn't "allowed" for as much (little) as that meant.  Your problem isn't  that people can buy loot for cash now.  No, your problem is Blizzard now gets a cut, which I shrug shoulders at.
 
Also, D2 didn't have inferno, it ended at hell.  You can pull off pretty much any build you want in D3's hell as well, so what are you yapping about in the end?
 
(And my melee wizard does just fine in Inferno Act I with about 500k spent on AH items.)
Posted by madman683

I'm a big fan of the Diablo series. The only problem I have is how lame the story is. It's too short and predictable.

Posted by Turambar
@TheDudeOfGaming said:

My advice? Move on to greener, bigger, better pastures...like Skyrim. If you haven't already, if you have, return to it.

He who enjoys, wins. 
Posted by emem
@ajamafalous said: 
 
@emem said: 
Well, you've already named 3 builds and that's plenty to learn and master for 1 class out of 5 in a single game.   Sometimes I wonder what people want out of a game... sure, Diablo 3 has a lot of "little" flaws (no end-game, everything around the auction house, etc.), but gameplay wise... it doesn't get much better than this in a hack and slash, imho.
I totally agree that the feel of the combat is incredibly well done, but for a game that is the sequel to Diablo II (my favorite game ever, and a game that I spent over a decade playing), I expected more than to be done with it after a month.

Yeah, absolutely.  
 
Another turn-off for me is that after around 10 act 3 runs in the last 2 days I didn't have a single item drop that was worth anything or that I could have used with the 2 characters I got. So I basically identified hundreds of items (61+)... I don't remember the drop rate, of at least decent items, being that bad in Diablo 2.
Posted by ajamafalous
@emem said:
@ajamafalous said: 
 
@emem said: 
Well, you've already named 3 builds and that's plenty to learn and master for 1 class out of 5 in a single game.   Sometimes I wonder what people want out of a game... sure, Diablo 3 has a lot of "little" flaws (no end-game, everything around the auction house, etc.), but gameplay wise... it doesn't get much better than this in a hack and slash, imho.
I totally agree that the feel of the combat is incredibly well done, but for a game that is the sequel to Diablo II (my favorite game ever, and a game that I spent over a decade playing), I expected more than to be done with it after a month.
Yeah, absolutely.   Another turn-off for me is that after around 10 act 3 runs in the last 2 days I didn't have a single item drop that was worth anything or that I could have used with the 2 characters I got. So I basically identified hundreds of items (61+)... I don't remember the drop rate, of at least decent items, being that bad in Diablo 2.
Exactly the same experience I was having. Just one of the myriad of reasons I stopped playing and only play if one of my friends wants to (which is becoming less and less frequent as well).
Posted by jayjapay

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