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#1  Edited By ZenAndTonic
@Geno said:

" @ZenAndTonic: If people need to use some sort of technology on the job that's a bit different than using technology off the job. The technology that they use on the job is a form of skill, a part of training. It is necessary for them to do the job, and just because it's technology, and they're proficient at it, doesn't make them proficient at technology. Using your example, I don't think anyone without a necessity to use that program would use it for example. If it wasn't a program, it was say, some sort of packing procedure it would be just as necessary to learn it. Therefore in your example I think it's more about being proficient at a job-related skill rather than being proficient in technology as a whole. My mother can operate an MRI machine for example but at home she can barely use email; the MRI machine is necessary for her to do the job, and that's why she needs to be good at it, the fact that it's technology (and rather high-end tech at that) is merely incidental.  "

 
 
It doesn't matter if it's on the job or not - it's still technology. You're saying that a person who's versed in the use of MRI is not proficient in the use of technology? Do you have any idea of how absurd that sounds?
 
So, let me ask you - do you know how to use an online database for identifying genes and protein fragments from public databases? Do you know how to operate a modern yeast brewer, complete with computerized quality parameter monitoring? Can you write scripts in SAS? Can you repair the onboard navigation system of a car? Can you use a scanning electron microscope? Can you use a air traffic controller console to make sure planes don't smash into each other? Do you know how to drive a tractor? Can you disassemble an industrial-scale grinder, clean out all of its parts, and put it back together again? Do you know how to identify a murderer using forensic techniques? Do you know how to maintain a gaming rig and download games on Steam? 
 
Well, you know how to do the last one. That's just one technology among many. Well, obviously, if you were proficient at technology, you should be able to do all of those things, right? No, wait, you can only do one or a few of those, therefore, you must be out of touch of technology.
 
Do you see why I think your line of reasoning is absurd, now? You are taking an arbitrary, narrow set of technology that you are skilled at, and declaring that adults must be "out-of-touch" of technology because they can't use the same technology you can. By that logic, I can say that teenagers are out-of-touch of technology because most of them cannot, from start-to-finish, design a gene therapy that will treat cystic fibrosis. See what I did there? I took an arbitrary technology, and made a blanket statement about teenagers. Epiphany achieved, time to post about it on the Internet!
 
Let's pursue that further, then. This USA Today article states that "45-54 year olds are 36 percent more likely than average to visit Twitter, making them the highest indexing age group, followed by 25-34 year olds, who are 30 percent more likely." You know what this means? Adults are the biggest user of Twitter, and teenagers are lagging behind. This must mean that teenagers are out-of-touch of social networking technology. 
 
That's a completely ridiculous thing to say, isn't it? It's the kind of absurdity anyone can come up with by making grand conclusions based on a narrow set of data. Please consider that.
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#2  Edited By ZenAndTonic

I know, I could not compute it either! But I hacked into my brain by guessing an eleven-letter word and it was all good after that.
 
 @Hailinel said:

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" Doesn't seem to have as many problems as the PS3 version, judging from a quick look at the Bethesda Fallout 3 Xbox 360 subforum for software issues. However, I'd do further research to be sure. "
Even the standard PS3 version of Fallout 3 was riddled with bugs.  Bethesda fixed the worst of the offenses in that version, but it's ridiculous that they still have quality control issues after the initial PS3 launch and the litany of issues the DLC experienced on the 360. "
 
That's the thing - they've had plenty of time to fix the issues. I'd have been perfectly okay with them taking another 6 months to find all the issues and fix them instead of releasing it as is.
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#3  Edited By ZenAndTonic

Dragon Age for $35? Pretty good. I'm not interested in the game personally, but it's nice for anyone who is.

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#4  Edited By ZenAndTonic

The DLC has some great content - some of the new weapons and armor are pretty damned awesome. Shame that it had to be like this.

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#5  Edited By ZenAndTonic

Doesn't seem to have as many problems as the PS3 version, judging from a quick look at the Bethesda Fallout 3 Xbox 360 subforum for software issues. However, I'd do further research to be sure.

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Don't get me wrong - I love the gameplay, the exploration and the atmosphere of the game. I hadn't played Fallout 3 before this, and based on the game content alone, it would have easily been the game of the year for me.
 
However, as my game progressed, I started noticing the game freezing, or even crashing. It wasn't bad at first - maybe once in every 5 hours or so. But yesterday, I had to reset my PS3 at least 4 times when the game completely froze. Once, the game simply booted me out to the XMB. Another time, I got so frustrated with the choppiness of the game that I decided to quit - only to have the game freeze on me when I was loading up the title screen. The title screen.  All this happened in about 3 hours of gameplay.
 
So, I hopped online and found that my frustrations aren't mine alone - people have been venting on Bethesda's forums about this. And I have to agree, there simply isn't any excuse to release a game in this state. Bethesda has not responded at all to any of these concerns, even to say that they know the problem exists and they're trying to fix it. Poor form, Bethesda.
 
The funny thing is, before Fallout 3, I played Oblivion GOTY with no problems whatsoever. Ran as smooth as silk, never crashed on me. So I don't know why Bethesda could not get this one right. Or maybe, judging from their non-response, they just don't care.
 
What a pity. I was ready to walk away from this game saying that it was the best gaming experience I've had this year, and maybe more, but the sheer frustration of it all prevents me from saying that. When I get around to building a PC, I might get around to buying the PC version of Fallout 3 and modding it simply because I love the actual game so much. But, Bethesda, it's going to be buyer beware for me from now on - you screwed up on this version of Fallout 3, so my expectations for your quality assurance process will be appropriately low in the future.

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#7  Edited By ZenAndTonic
@Geno said:

 @JustinNotJason said:

"Well probably the same reason you're out of touch with what they know.  It's all in what you grew up with and what you're used too. Couple that with the fact that technology changes so quickly and comes on so fast they have not time to adapt. I mean if you think about it over the course of your parents life some of their biggest changes were going from manual typewriters to electric type writers to word proccessor that filled a desk. Now you got from one computer with xyz to a computers with abcxyz123. It's a big change and people not used to it can't keep up. I mean graphics cards alone, for awhile there they went through like 3 generations in a matter of a year.    You also need to realize you grew up with this stuff so it's going to be second nature. To them, they were flung into it with little warning. And face it, even to people who know a shit load about computers, you can at least see where it could be overwhelming. I mean there's alot to know about computers, and even people who think they know what they're talking about still have alot to learn (myself included). But then are you familiar with how to boot up an old computer into DOS, do you know any of the dos commands to access files on a disk, how to open any of said documents. Do you know how to read punch cards to be fed into a computer. I mean when trying to take their perspective on todays tech, what you should do is just look back and try to understand their tech. It's confusing (well not for me since I have a shit load of old tech IBM PC DOS ftw :P ).  "

The DOS example is a bit different, it's asking about knowledge of things prior to when you were born or were growing up, whereas I'm pointing to technology, which is current and the future. I have little knowledge of DOS because DOS is hardly used today; older adults probably have little knowledge of telegrams because telegrams weren't used then either. I'm not faulting them for that. I'm faulting them for not keeping up with the current technology, which should be affecting them as much as younger people. In the future, let's say 20 years from now, they have a brainscanning technology that makes typing obsolete. If the young people of that time are able to use it proficiently then I should be able to as well, even though I didn't grow up with it. "
 
And that's the thing, dude - people used DOS out of necessity. If your job performance or your ability to make money was tied to a certain set technologies, you'd be motivated to be proficient at it too. That's why a good percentage of the population can use Windows and check email, adults or not. That's technology too, right?  
 
I used to work in a place where there was an enterprise management package called ProcessPro that was used to track inventory from raw ingredients through quality control through shipping of manufactured products. It didn't matter if you were the head research scientist or the worker hauling boxes into a truck - you HAD to know how to use this technology in order to keep doing your job effectively, so that you don't screw yourself out of a promotion, or get fired. It did not matter how old, how young all of the workers were - they learned the parts they had to learn. Why? Because they were motivated to.
 
Now, let me ask you, then - does the 50-year old factory worker who knows how to mine a ProcessPro database have the right to call you, the gamer with the high-spec PC, out-of-touch of technology? I mean, his technology proficiency is tied directly to making things work, keeping products safe, and making money so that the factory could stay afloat and a hundred people wouldn't get fired - how does playing Crysis on your PC compare?
 
I'll tell you, this is hardly unique. The factory I worked at was at best a small operation - this is happening all over the place. But to paint adults as even generally out-of-touch of technology is missing the point - they know how to use technology, alright. It may not be the same technology *you* use, but it's important nonetheless. Adults will keep up with technology alright, if it impacts their lives. But again, you can't fault them for up to the minute on gaming stuff or whatever, and then generalizing that to mean that adults are slow on all technology.
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#8  Edited By ZenAndTonic

The Chinese Stealth Armor was the entire reason I played through Operation: Anchorage.

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#9  Edited By ZenAndTonic

Pretty fond of the Metal Blaster right now, which is a gun that's found in The Pitt - you trade steel ingots for it. I use it outside of VATS, since it fires 9 beams, all of which can critical separately. Add the Better Critical perk and the Sneak bonus and you have fun times.

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#10  Edited By ZenAndTonic

Might be because adults have more responsibilities and more things to worry about - and this eats up the time they might otherwise use to download and play 200 games on Steam or memorize the specs of graphics cards. One day, you'll understand.

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