Being the budget gamer that I am, I just came around to play Red Dead Redemption. It is like Rockstar looked into my soul, saw what game i would love and programmed it. But since it is "nit-picking-saturday" I won't go into detail how awesome it is but adress an issue I have with it: The lack of analog. No matter how hard you push the stick you walk. To run you have to tap the A button. While doing so, you have of course no control over the camera which leads to less control over hectic action-sequences, which leads to virtual death, which leads to anger in real life, which leads to broken controllers etc. etc.
I remember when Sony introduced the Dual-Shock 2. It finally brought us out of the dark ages into a bright and flashy future. Shooters, Plattformer and Racing games alike could be controlled smoothly, everybody was happy and world peace was at hand. But Rockstar and Rocksteady (The creators of awesome Arkham Asylum) simply don't seem to share that opinion. It's like Mercedes Benz would say: "yeah, suspensions make a car better but we are not into that, sorry".
Anyhow, that's what grinded my gears today. See you soon (maybe in another two years).
Red Dead Redemption
Game » consists of 23 releases. Released May 18, 2010
- PlayStation 3
- Xbox 360
- PlayStation Network (PS3)
- PlayStation 4
- + 2 more
- Nintendo Switch
- Xbox 360 Games Store
Red Dead Redemption is the spiritual successor to 2004's Red Dead Revolver, featuring a vibrant, open world set in the decline of the American Wild West. Players take on the role of former outlaw John Marston, who is forced to hunt down his former gang to regain his family.
Conquering the west the old fashioned way...without analog sticks
Being the budget gamer that I am, I just came around to play Red Dead Redemption. It is like Rockstar looked into my soul, saw what game i would love and programmed it. But since it is "nit-picking-saturday" I won't go into detail how awesome it is but adress an issue I have with it: The lack of analog. No matter how hard you push the stick you walk. To run you have to tap the A button. While doing so, you have of course no control over the camera which leads to less control over hectic action-sequences, which leads to virtual death, which leads to anger in real life, which leads to broken controllers etc. etc.
I remember when Sony introduced the Dual-Shock 2. It finally brought us out of the dark ages into a bright and flashy future. Shooters, Plattformer and Racing games alike could be controlled smoothly, everybody was happy and world peace was at hand. But Rockstar and Rocksteady (The creators of awesome Arkham Asylum) simply don't seem to share that opinion. It's like Mercedes Benz would say: "yeah, suspensions make a car better but we are not into that, sorry".
Anyhow, that's what grinded my gears today. See you soon (maybe in another two years).
Everyone feels your pain. I don't have a huge problem with it, but I think they could easily fix it. I think having R2 being run would be a great solution. I would say just have it vary on joystick sensitivity, but I feel that would make for weird moments when you just want to walk.Cover could easily be placed on Circle, while having Aim and Shoot be L1 and R1 respectively. Speaking of which, what the hell does L2 do again?
Index finger on A, thumb on the camera, works for me.
Thought gamers were supposed to be good with their hands?
was more of an issue in gta4 for me, in rdr you actually run if you have a gun out, and thats normally when it matters the most.
i think they got it right with la noire in that regard - you run by holding down rt/r2
It was barely ever a problem for me, and when i had to use all three at the same time I just used my chin :P
It took some time to getting used to, but after a few hours in, I had no problem with it and it now becomes second nature.
@TaliciaDragonsong: Sure you can do that, as long as you don't need to take cover (RB) and shoot your gun (RT). Was your second sentence a masturbation joke? If so, good one. ;)Left hand thumb on the left analoge, index and/or middlefinger on LB and LT, and my righthand's middlefinger on RB/RT.
Its not ideal, but it works pretty decent.
Being the budget gamer that I am, I just came around to play Red Dead Redemption. It is like Rockstar looked into my soul, saw what game i would love and programmed it. But since it is "nit-picking-saturday" I won't go into detail how awesome it is but adress an issue I have with it: The lack of analog. No matter how hard you push the stick you walk. To run you have to tap the A button. While doing so, you have of course no control over the camera which leads to less control over hectic action-sequences, which leads to virtual death, which leads to anger in real life, which leads to broken controllers etc. etc. I remember when Sony introduced the Dual-Shock 2. It finally brought us out of the dark ages into a bright and flashy future. Shooters, Plattformer and Racing games alike could be controlled smoothly, everybody was happy and world peace was at hand. But Rockstar and Rocksteady (The creators of awesome Arkham Asylum) simply don't seem to share that opinion. It's like Mercedes Benz would say: "yeah, suspensions make a car better but we are not into that, sorry". Anyhow, that's what grinded my gears today. See you soon (maybe in another two years).With rape, balls=do like you want? Fuck off!
@TaliciaDragonsong: Your index finger is already on the A/X Button, remember? I know how to grab a controller but operating A for Sprint, right stick for camera and RT for shooting is simply impossible unless you have an awesome tentacle beard like Davy Jones.@TaliciaDragonsong said:
@Strongschwartz said:Read it, before I make a picture explaining it.@TaliciaDragonsong: Sure you can do that, as long as you don't need to take cover (RB) and shoot your gun (RT). Was your second sentence a masturbation joke? If so, good one. ;)Left hand thumb on the left analoge, index and/or middlefinger on LB and LT, and my righthand's middlefinger on RB/RT. Its not ideal, but it works pretty decent.
My left index and/or middlefinger on LB and LT.
My right index on any of the buttons (A/X/B/Y)
My right middlefinger on RB/RT, if need be, my ring finger.
Thumbs on the analoges.
Besides, you can't shoot while sprinting anyway, shooting or aiming takes you down to a slower, non sprinting, pace.
And also, quickly using a occupied finger to press RB to switch into cover is hardly an amazing feat.
I may sound nitpicking by now, but this is how I've been playing for years and its far from hard.
You must have a great time playing any pc game with more then 5 keybinds I presume.
Read it, before I make a picture explaining it. My left index and/or middlefinger on LB and LT. My right index on any of the buttons (A/X/B/Y) My right middlefinger on RB/RT, if need be, my ring finger. Thumbs on the analoges. Besides, you can't shoot while sprinting anyway, shooting or aiming takes you down to a slower, non sprinting, pace. And also, quickly using a occupied finger to press RB to switch into cover is hardly an amazing feat. I may sound nitpicking by now, but this is how I've been playing for years and its far from hard. You must have a great time playing any pc game with more then 5 keybinds I presume.I either don't believe you can do this or am extremely impressed
Thanks.
Seriously, grab a Xbox controller and position your fingers like I said.
Try playing with it for a bit.
Its not ideal, but it works and gets the job done.
@Pinworm45: Thanks. Seriously, grab a Xbox controller and position your fingers like I said. Try playing with it for a bit. Its not ideal, but it works and gets the job done.I did and I literally can not do it. Even trying is painful for my fingers. Maybe too much carpel tunnel. I feel like you'll get the Claw from this though
My fingers are a tad more flexible then yours then I suppose.
I've been using this concept in most GTA games tho, mashing A to sprint while controlling the camera (handy, you might get run over escaping cops or run into a roadblock etc) and to fluidly switch into cover or otherwise.
Index finger on A, thumb on the camera, works for me. Thought gamers were supposed to be good with their hands?This is exactly what I do.
I don't understand why it would be a problem though, really none of the sequences in Red Dead Redemption require that you do this at all.
Apart from that equipping a weapon (unholstering) with enemies around will put you in to an auto-run mode so that you don't have to tap A to run.
Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I think you automatically run when you have a weapon drawn. Maybe that's just multiplayer.No, that's singleplayer. They actually fixed the problem in multiplayer, so that it's "hold the stick out a little to walk, all the way to run, and hold down the A button to sprint." They seem to recognize that this is an issue, since they negated it for the portion where you really need fast reflexes, but they insist on implementing it in singleplayer mode. :P
@HatKing said:I like the way you walk in the game, same for Grand Theft Auto IV. Though I will agree that the button layout is not ideal for running and gunning. I think LA Noire actually looked at this and took a step in the right direction by moving the run button to one of the shoulders.Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I think you automatically run when you have a weapon drawn. Maybe that's just multiplayer.No, that's singleplayer. They actually fixed the problem in multiplayer, so that it's "hold the stick out a little to walk, all the way to run, and hold down the A button to sprint." They seem to recognize that this is an issue, since they negated it for the portion where you really need fast reflexes, but they insist on implementing it in singleplayer mode. :P
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