Demo Derby: Official PlayStation Magazine: Issue 58

I had this one!!

Loved Jeff framerate rant.

@cornbredx: Bittersweet memories. :|

@drewbert

Having Jeff on these is great because of the amount of insight he can give. Who else would instantly recognise some terrible obscure BMX game from over a decade ago?

They need to pump these out on a more regular basis and Jeff should become a permanent part of this series.

This feature continues to be awesome. It was great having Jeff there with his crazy extensive knowledge of older games and their context in history.

I'm looking forward to when they play a demo disc I actually had.

This is my favorite current premium feature. They always inspire the most interesting conversations, doubly so with Jeff around.

I remember renting Gravity Games Bike: Street. Vert. Dirt. specifically because of the soundtrack on the back of the box. It wasn't very good.

I think Jeff adds so much to these with his knowledge, I hope he's in the rest from now on

Please have 3 person Demo Derbys from now on. Jeff brings so much knowledge.

Speaking of flying games, I came across Snoopy Flying Ace on my Xbox 360 today. I haven't played it yet, but heard it was good because the developer also created Crimson Skies I think?

I think Jeff's late 90s/early 00s "gggungg gggungg gggungg" guitar sound is hilarious... Seeing the end of this video gave me a flashback to when I met Sevendust at The Rave in Milwaukee in 1998. I had friend who was a friend of the band and he followed them everywhere. Nice guys and their music was fine for the time.

Alright, Jeff needs to be in all of these from now on. He knows so much more about old games than Dan or Drew do. He's like a freaking video game encyclopedia.

The Mark of Kri was excellent. Loved the combat, and the story was pretty decent and cinematic for the time.

Its sequel was called Rise of the Kasai. It played pretty much identically, but switched between the main character and his sister (and maybe someone else). It didn't grab me like the first did, and I never did finish it.

I definitely had the song from Aggressive Inline on a mix-cd that I picked up at like...Media Play or something.

On an unrelated note, I also seem to have become ancient.

the gravity games bike video review on gamespot that jeff mentions is broken :(

the video just won't load

Man, I've missed the Demo Derbies. I'm glad Jeff was also sitting in. That's some great stuff there. Also, Mr. Mosquito is one of my favorite weird PS2 games, and it gets really hard!

The Rise of Kasai is sequel to The Mark of Kri and Sevendust is a better band than the impressions you gave.

The song in Aggressive In-Line is "An Idea For a Movie" by The Vandals. I don't like much pop-punk but the Vandals own

Regarding Skygunner, it was a good game at it's core. Drew shouldn't have picked advanced controls as it's not a traditional flight game.

In any case what let the game down was not a matter of the design, instead it was absolutely crippling framerate issues. It would routinely drop down to a lower resolution, and even then it could still go into single digit framerates. I couldn't believe that they deemed the game acceptable in the state it released in.

Jeff dropping knowledge is super awesome for the old Demos Format

Mister Mosquito is a funny name because male mosquito do not drink blood.

Preeeetty sure the best star wars game is Tie Fighter.

You gotta be kidding me! The content you guys are putting out lately is NUTS! Thanks duders!

1. Smells like bumblebee tuna.

Echoing what other people have said, but having Jeff on these is really incredible. I know he's been overseeing reviews forever, but these are mediocre PS2 games from over a decade ago and he remembers a ton, it's great insight.

Did someone say "low blow?"

Yup. In my opinion Jeff is necessary for any feature dealing with older games. It's always fun hearing him talk about the past.

That in sync "yeah" by Jeff and Drew at the end was eerie in a way. Mister Mosquito was one of the "Games for Cheap Bastards" on "G4TV's X-Play", if I recall correctly--seems all right.

SEVENDUST IS THE PERFECT BAND FOR THAT FUCKING BIKE GAME.

The sequel to Mr. Mosquito (Ka) was called Ka 2: Let's Go Hawaii!

I own it and I've never played it, woops

Best Star Wars game: the first Battlefront

The archive on GS is completely fucked, but YT has your back.

@briktal: Noticed that too. Dan and I would not see eye to eye on music, that's for sure.

I would love for jeff to sit in on more of these he brings a lot of knowledge to the feature.

I think this was the only Demo disk I ever had. Nostalgia!

In regards to the discussion during the Star Wars Jedi Starfighter segment, I kinda miss arcade-ish flight games as well. It's a difficult task to make a great one of those, because dog-fighting combat often just boils down to circling each other or locking on with missiles. There really needs to something peripheral to make a great game, like the engaging, branching story of Wing Commander or fights against large ships with individual points to attack like in the X-wing series or Freespace.

Ace Team certainly tried with Assault Horizon, adding that follow mode thing which fans of the series unfortunately ended up hating.

I hope a new, really great game of that type will come along eventually...

Also at 44:35 when @jeff says "What the fuck happened to framerate?". That is exactly the thing that should be focus for graphical fidelity. I don't care if your game runs at 900p, 720p or 480i... Just make the framerate happen. I know making video games is hard, but if you have to sacrifice polycount or shaders or whatever, please do so. Magazines are over, so there's no reason to make games that only look good in still-pics.

@bonorbitz: I enjoyed it but if I am not mistaken I thought it was online only. I doubt there are many people still playing it.

Make Jeff, Dan and Drew the permanent team for this feature thanks

Man, they skipped like half the content on the disc. Way to go back on the rules of this feature. Still, having Jeff on this was great, as he was playing/seeing everything from that era and probably has stories for just about everything. I would love to see him on more.

He has to be. He's heard of these games, played a bunch of them, and gives the best historical context. Not to mention that I fully expect him to appear in one of those industry party videos sooner or later.

Drew and Dan developed into a good duo when this started, but Jeff takes it to something other than dumb fun. And it's basically like ten Encyclopaedia Bombasticas in one!

Praise be to yoohoo

Is there a list of games with Death Star trench runs? it would be cool to see the evolution of that one thing

I veto for just having a guest period, Danny would be great also Alex or Jeff. They'd all be fun in these.

I played so much Tiger 2002, probably well over a hundred hours.

I still own this.....

I also have a good bit of nostalgia for the earlier Tiger Woods games. Played the heck out of 2004 on the Xbox.

IT'S BEEN TOO LONG.

Yep. Of course there is... this is Star Wars. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Trench_run

• Star Wars: Battlefront (Appears in cutscene(s)) *
  
• Star Wars: X-Wing
• Star Wars: Rebel Assault
• Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
• Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
• Star Wars: Trench Run
• Star Wars Trilogy Arcade (Yavin levels)
• Star Wars: The Arcade Game
• Star Wars (1983 Vector Graphics Arcade Game)

Non-canonical appearances

• LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga
• LEGO Star Wars: Microfighters video game
• LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy
• Star Wars: Rogue Squadron

"People don't have green hair"

Dan, making sure we know things. :P