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Endurance Run

Endurance Run: Persona 4 - Part 134

C'mon Rise, don't blow this for us.

Vinny and Jeff sit down and take a crack at the latest game in the Shin Megami Tensei series. Will they make it through the entire game?

Aug. 20 2009

Cast: Jeff, Vinny

Posted by: Drew

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I really like the Helel persona, I hope they get around to making it at some point.

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@theholybible said:
" im starting to think that this is a bad game to do an endurance run for... These massive story sections of the game are really quite boring to sit and watch, maybe a more gameplay driven endurance run next time? "
So no one would say anything because they are too focused on shooting that dude, or hacking that dude up? Silent Endurance Run? These massive story parts give Vinny and Jeff the opportunity to make comments often, which is the part of the Endurance Run I like the best.
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"lets bury these dead bitches"  
 
hahaah i love whenever they  do Igor impressions

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@MementoMori said:
" @theholybible said:
" im starting to think that this is a bad game to do an endurance run for... These massive story sections of the game are really quite boring to sit and watch, maybe a more gameplay driven endurance run next time? "
You want to see a COD Endurance Run then? Idiot. Also, you've started to think it's a bad game to endure about 2 weeks from the end?! "
@theholybible
 
Seriously, was that a joke? I can't be arsed to go back and check your comment history, but... seriously?
 
I think that there may be some gameplay videos on YouTube that you might be interested in that are set to "NuMetal" and perhaps some Limp Bizkit and stuff of that ilk.
 
Also, the story sections are the best parts of the game. Thankfully, we have Vinny and Jeff to make the rest of the game entertaining as well.
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@Jtan21 said:
" @theholybible said:
" im starting to think that this is a bad game to do an endurance run for... These massive story sections of the game are really quite boring to sit and watch, maybe a more gameplay driven endurance run next time? "
So no one would say anything because they are too focused on shooting that dude, or hacking that dude up? Silent Endurance Run? These massive story parts give Vinny and Jeff the opportunity to make comments often, which is the part of the Endurance Run I like the best. "

Don't bother. That guy said that Dave's beard isn't awesome.
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@theholybible said:
" im starting to think that this is a bad game to do an endurance run for... These massive story sections of the game are really quite boring to sit and watch, maybe a more gameplay driven endurance run next time? "
What video are you watching? The story bits are the best part.
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YEEEEEAAAAH!!! Igor rap!

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Like everyone else, the Igor impressions were amazing. 
 
"It's... It's a work in progress".

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@theholybible said:
" im starting to think that this is a bad game to do an endurance run for... These massive story sections of the game are really quite boring to sit and watch, maybe a more gameplay driven endurance run next time? "

GET BENT!

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Something's not right here. A Shadow turned its back to them, yet Vinny didn't try to swing at it.

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@Kanji_Tatsumi said:
" @theholybible said:
" im starting to think that this is a bad game to do an endurance run for... These massive story sections of the game are really quite boring to sit and watch, maybe a more gameplay driven endurance run next time? "

GET BENT!

"
i agree with this  
 
i love the story of this game. but now it feels that they are dragging the story out .maybe they are just busy but all of this story stuff couldve been done in 2 60-70 min episodes and then were off to the dungeon and then the story wouldnt feel as though its being dragged out
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Dr., Dr. Rosen...Rosenpenis.  Dr. RosenRosen.... 
 
and yet again the battle cry rings out: SEEKERSOFTRUTHGO!!!  um, tomorrow.

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Rapping Igor was hilarious. That made my day.

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Rise is INTO Furies.

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Vinny and Jeff! 
 
The butterfly is most definitely Philemon from Persona 1. He's important in Persona 2 as well and appears there in person and has much more influence on the story. I only got Persona 3: FES recently, inspired to try it after picking up Persona 4 because of the Endurance Run, so I don't know if he appears in person in P3, but the butterfly does as it does in P4. 
 
With the Endurance Run drawing nearer to its conclusion I'm wondering what you guys are planning on next? If you guys read this possibly comment on your plans in the next episode?
 
@anyone else.... 
Where did the name Charlie Tunoku come from anyway? They used it with Devil Summoner 2 and Persona quicklooks...no idea if it was just something they made  up or a running gag I don't get?

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@evilpaul: On the first episode Vinny said that he likes to name his characters after food so Charlie's original last name was going to be "Tuna." However they decided to scrap that and go with something that sounded Japanese but also still sounded like Tuna. Also Ryan yelled the name Carlie on the first episode and Vinny just went with it.
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@Kanji_Tatsumi said:
" @theholybible said:
" im starting to think that this is a bad game to do an endurance run for... These massive story sections of the game are really quite boring to sit and watch, maybe a more gameplay driven endurance run next time? "

GET BENT!

"
I lmao'd
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@evilpaul:
Watch the very first episode. When they named the character, Vinny said that he names his RPG characters after food. They had to choose the last name first and he started to write "Tuna", but made it Tunoku to be more name-sounding. Ryan shouted that they should name him Charlie, and so here we have Charlie Tunoku.
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@ZombiePie:
wtf? how did you use my answer if it said you commented before me...
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@evilpaul said:
" Where did the name Charlie Tunoku come from anyway? They used it with Devil Summoner 2 and Persona quicklooks...no idea if it was just something they made  up or a running gag I don't get? "
Like the others said, but they forgot about something - this way, they have also created a synonym for the P4 MC.
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@theholybible said:
" im starting to think that this is a bad game to do an endurance run for... These massive story sections of the game are really quite boring to sit and watch, maybe a more gameplay driven endurance run next time? "
It is a great ER game, but the ending is just straight up bad.  Regardless of an ER or not, Atlus made the true ending drag on and on.  I ended up getting the bad ending just for some closure.
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V&J didn't seem surprised at Teddie's true identity at all. I suppose that got spoiler for them too. :( 
 
 
Funnily enough, this upcoming dungeon is the one time where you WANT to take as long as possible to finish the dungeon. Finish it early and you skip a bunch of days where you can finish s-linking with a few people. Hopefully the guys do that instead of skipping over a final batch of s-link fun(but without finishing on THE last day, since then they'd miss the Christmas sheninigans).
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@Meltbrain:

I like how I've been using Giant Bomb since a bit before the Endurance Run started and I still don't get how the comments timeline work and I never ever will.
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@DavidSnakes said:
" I ended up getting the bad ending just for some closure. "

What closure you get in the bad ending? Nothing gets explained, people die, the countdown to the end of the world starts.

If that's closure, get the bad ending in Persona 3 - that's what I call closure. Like, the closure of everything.

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@a bunch of people: 
Thanks for clearing up the MC's name origin! :)  
 
I should really re-watch a few of the early episodes. Both as a refresher and because I remember them being pretty funny. 
 
@DavidSnakes:


People throw around "Bad", "Good" and "True" endings a lot....  
 
There's two "Bad" endings. Vinny and Jeff averted both already. In one you can throw Namatame into the TV world killing him and Nanako stays dead. The other you don't throw Namatame into the TV world, and Nanako comes back to life, but you don't solve the mystery and Nanako never recovers. Also, off-camera the world ends after the credits roll.  
 
Both are pretty sad and terrible endings to the story. 
 
The "Good" ending is what Vinny and Jeff are on their way to now. I wouldn't consider spoiling it for anyone, so keep watching if you don't know what it is and want to see it (obviously). 
 
The "True" ending requires maxxing out all Social Links which is impossible on your first playthrough because you have to waste soooooo much time going to the Meat Dimension and doing things like folding envelopes to get your Expression, Courage, etc, up. There's multiple roadblocks to further Social Link grinding for every stat and you can't even start some of them (Tutoring Shu at night time) until they're nearly maxxed.
 
Your personal stats (Courage, etc) carry over in a New Game+ along with your Yen (sell most of your shit before finishing the game if you plan to play again) and Persona Compendium (use said Yen to buy level 80+ Personas for God mode :P). 
 
I haven't seen the "True" ending yet, so I have no idea how it differs from the "Good" ending, exactly. I don't want to know until I get to it myself.
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You don't have to Max all S Links for the True Ending...wtf
 
All you have to do at the end to activate the true ending is: Talk to all your maxed social links (for the playthrough), Go Back to Junes, Talk to Nanako, Talk to Igor and rest is obvious.

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@evilpaul said:
" @a bunch of people: 
Thanks for clearing up the MC's name origin! :)  
 
I should really re-watch a few of the early episodes. Both as a refresher and because I remember them being pretty funny. 
 
@DavidSnakes:
People throw around "Bad", "Good" and "True" endings a lot....   There's two "Bad" endings. Vinny and Jeff averted both already. In one you can throw Namatame into the TV world killing him and Nanako stays dead. The other you don't throw Namatame into the TV world, and Nanako comes back to life, but you don't solve the mystery and Nanako never recovers. Also, off-camera the world ends after the credits roll.   Both are pretty sad and terrible endings to the story.  The "Good" ending is what Vinny and Jeff are on their way to now. I wouldn't consider spoiling it for anyone, so keep watching if you don't know what it is and want to see it (obviously).  The "True" ending requires maxxing out all Social Links which is impossible on your first playthrough because you have to waste soooooo much time going to the Meat Dimension and doing things like folding envelopes to get your Expression, Courage, etc, up. There's multiple roadblocks to further Social Link grinding for every stat and you can't even start some of them (Tutoring Shu at night time) until they're nearly maxxed. Your personal stats (Courage, etc) carry over in a New Game+ along with your Yen (sell most of your shit before finishing the game if you plan to play again) and Persona Compendium (use said Yen to buy level 80+ Personas for God mode :P).  I haven't seen the "True" ending yet, so I have no idea how it differs from the "Good" ending, exactly. I don't want to know until I get to it myself. "
You can get the true ending without maxing all social links.  There's a boss battle you can't fight unless you're on your second playthough though.
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"We were just out getting some dry cleaning and some burgeOH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN MY LIMOZEEN?!" 
Best line in the Endurance Run so far, in my opinion.

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@evilpaul said:
Your personal stats (Courage, etc) carry over in a New Game+ along with your Yen (sell most of your shit before finishing the game if you plan to play again) and Persona Compendium (use said Yen to buy level 80+ Personas for God mode :P).

Endurance Re-Run+ CONFIRMED!

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Teddie and Igor need their own game.

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This story is starting to get really lame. It started with Adachi being the killer, which I felt was so obvious from the very beginning and now this. Maybe it was just this "very special Teddie episode" but all this inner self and true feelings talk is crap. Was it suppose to be shocking that Teddie is a Shadow? If he's a shadow, why can he go into the real world or summon Personas? Actually, here's a better question, if he's a Shadow, why is a blond haired teenager in a bear suit? It doesn't make any sense but all the characters are acting like they finally know who Teddie is.

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@Milkman: Did you not remember them saying he gained a body when he gained a Persona? Or something similar to that?
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 @MementoMori: yes i would love to see a COD endurance run, dick. Also i never said it was a bad game, but a bad game to let people sit and watch u play with all the story driven parts in it.
 

@Jtan21:

no matter what game vinny and jeff are playing they would chat thru it, have u not seen any quick looks on this site before? they would be far from silent and would take a lot less time up.
 
@Castro: wtf are u talking about "Numetal" and Limp Bizkit? take ur pills, ur actually mental.
 
@Tovan51: no, theyre not
 
@Kanji_Tatsumi:NO 
 
@100eyes: u lmao'd at some bold text? fair enough whatever turns u on sir, the sun is pretty colourful, go touch it?
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@Sanj said:
" I'll bet anything that tomorrows will be short. To all those who've played the game; i'm betting Vinny and Jeff will go into the TV tomorrow, then THAT small sequence will happen, and then they'll save it.  It'll be about a 20 min episode tomorrow. "
yep they shouldnt have cut up this story stuff like this makes it feel a bit disconnected and makes it feel a bit dragged on
 
 but i cant wait to hear what they say about some portraits.
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@Milkman said:

" This story is starting to get really lame. It started with Adachi being the killer, which I felt was so obvious from the very beginning and now this. Maybe it was just this "very special Teddie episode" but all this inner self and true feelings talk is crap. Was it suppose to be shocking that Teddie is a Shadow? If he's a shadow, why can he go into the real world or summon Personas? Actually, here's a better question, if he's a Shadow, why is a blond haired teenager in a bear suit? It doesn't make any sense but all the characters are acting like they finally know who Teddie is. "

 
 First off, I'll agree that the Adachi-killer scenario is dumb at this point, as he has been the most suspicious character all game long. But there are things that haven't been revealed yet in the Endurance Run, and there may be larger things at work than just Adachi being a raving lunatic. So while you may not like the way the story turns out, as is a fully acceptable opinion, at least wait to pass judgement until all of the secrets have been revealed.
 
Then on to the Teddie predicament.
 
Shadows are suppressed human emotions that take the form of physical beings within the TV world. Most of these shadows are content to be mired in the fog, but one shadow questioned its own existence and didn't lash out at humans looking for the truth like all of the other shadows did. Hence, Teddie. 
 
As a shadow that had created an ego for itself through questioning the world around it, Teddie's ego then developed its own shadow, which was his suppressed fear that he would never understand the truth he sought.  Hence, Teddie boss battle.
 
Upon defeating Shadow Teddie, the real Teddie accepted that there would be thing he didn't understand fully, but that didn't mean he couldn't search for the truth. Hence, Teddie's persona.
 
With an ego and a persona, Teddie was now just as much of a human as the rest of the investigation team. So once he sought to be a true member of humanity, he was able to "grow" a body. Obviously that's a pretty lame explanation, but honestly, there's a world inside a TV, there are weirder things to think about. Regardless, human Teddie.
 
All was fine and good until Nanako died and Teddie, originating from the TV world, couldn't save her from a TV-borne disease. Teddie then began questioning whether or not there was a purpose or reachable truth to his life, and so he began to lose his ego and turn into a shadow once again. Hence, Teddie's disappearance. 
 
Finally, after the conversation in the limo and Teddie's discovery that he had actually helped Nanako survive, he realized that he had a purpose and the Investigation team still needed his help. With this his ego came back into being and he was "alive" once again. hence, Teddie's return.
 
So, as Naoto said, all of the things that have happened to Teddie make sense as long as you're willing to accept that not only can human egos contain suppressed shadows, but also those suppressed shadows have the capability to form and ego of their own.
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@MrGtD said:
" @wealllikepie said:
"

To Vinny and Jeff: 
You guys should stop slacking off and making short-ass episodes, otherwise what am I supposed to do with my Persona hour? :(

"
Remember in the very first one when they said these would be 15 minutes each?  You've been spoiled. "
yeh thats probably it but good thing though because if it was 15 mins each they wouldnt finish this game till next year plus if they really sticked to that then they would have wierd cutoffs and it would be fucking boring think about it that shadow rise/ teddie fight wouldve taken up 2 weeks if it was 15 mins a episode 
 
we arent spoiled jeff and vinny know that they couldnt keep it at 15 mins
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@theholybible said:
"  @MementoMori: yes i would love to see a COD endurance run, dick. Also i never said it was a bad game, but a bad game to let people sit and watch u play with all the story driven parts in it.
 

@Jtan21:

no matter what game vinny and jeff are playing they would chat thru it, have u not seen any quick looks on this site before? they would be far from silent and would take a lot less time up.
 
@Castro: wtf are u talking about "Numetal" and Limp Bizkit? take ur pills, ur actually mental.
 
@Tovan51: no, theyre not
 
@Kanji_Tatsumi:NO 
 
@100eyes: u lmao'd at some bold text? fair enough whatever turns u on sir, the sun is pretty colourful, go touch it? "

You use "u" instead of "you".

I mean, get bent.

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Teddy's just this guy, you know?

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Alright, you got the band back together. Now go kick over some logs and find that Adachi character and beat some sense into him. Heh, keep on trucking guys. Anytime you do Igor voices, it's a good time.

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Igor/Marg REMIX *insert Ryan's Harry Potter wand rave*

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@theholybible said:
"  @MementoMori: yes i would love to see a COD endurance run, dick. Also i never said it was a bad game, but a bad game to let people sit and watch u play with all the story driven parts in it.
Call of Duty endurance run, real original. That'll last like 10 episodes.
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Hillel cast Behind the Sun. 

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@FrankCanada97: yeah thats kinda the point, a few eps so it wouldnt take so long to watch, almost like a very stretched out video review, it wud also save people not so well off from buying every game tht looks decent
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@evilpaul: You DON'T have to max out all the S.Links to get the True Ending.
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@theholybible said:

"  @MementoMori: yes i would love to see a COD endurance run, dick. Also i never said it was a bad game, but a bad game to let people sit and watch u play with all the story driven parts in it.
 

@Jtan21:

no matter what game vinny and jeff are playing they would chat thru it, have u not seen any quick looks on this site before? they would be far from silent and would take a lot less time up.
 
@Castro: wtf are u talking about "Numetal" and Limp Bizkit? take ur pills, ur actually mental.
 
@Tovan51: no, theyre not
 
@Kanji_Tatsumi:NO 
 
@100eyes: u lmao'd at some bold text? fair enough whatever turns u on sir, the sun is pretty colourful, go touch it? "
How the hell would any CoD even come close to being a good enurance run???
 
And why the hell wouldn't you want the story driven parts in it???
 
the best parts of this endurance run have been the social linking and story sequences, with the dungeon crawling/battling being the lowest(although still good to watch)
 
and generally the only type of game that would properly suit an endurance run is a jrpg, especially with some corny dialogue
 
at the time, they really could not of gone with a better choice than persona 4 for an endurance run
 
too bad you're just a negative nancy about it all
 
oh yea...
 
 
 

GET BENT.