Giant Bombcast 12-11-2012

Damn it, I should really beat Mass Effect 3. I'm almost tempted just to listen anyways, but I've made it like nine months now without the spoilers.

@dvorak said:

@TheKing said:

Why do they keep talking about New Super Mario U like it's a bad game? They may not like it, but it's far from a bad game.

It is their opinion that it is a bad game. Right or wrong, it's what they think. I'm not sure what you hope to understand here.

It received a 3/5 on this site yet they talk about it on the podcast like it's not even worth playing. Seems a bit inconsistent to me.

@KalAl: Regardless of whether you think he should have dropped everything for this I can't imagine this conversation being as deep or as comprehensive without Brad. No one on the Bombcast does deep dives into a thing like brad does, and this topic *needed* him.

Finally finished ME3, I get why people hated the ending when it came out but with the extended cut it's not really that bad, okay 3 choices at the end are pretty shitty So for me I thought it was pretty good, compared to other games that came out this year ME3 is top 3 for sure maybe even game of the year.

One of the best franchises of the past decade.

P.S. I love Liara <3. That smile of hers at the end after you make your decision is so cute and it brings a tear to my eye

@Ryan said:

NOTE: If you want to avoid any major Mass Effect 3 spoilers, skip ahead to the 1-hour mark. Enjoy!

Thank you very much.

The Asura's Wrath discussion has made me resolute in my belief that Giant Bomb should play Asura's Wrath in a livestream so that everyone can enjoy it as Jeff suggested. Watch people play the insanity and enjoy premium Giant Bomb commentary.

@TheKing said:

@dvorak said:

@TheKing said:

Why do they keep talking about New Super Mario U like it's a bad game? They may not like it, but it's far from a bad game.

It is their opinion that it is a bad game. Right or wrong, it's what they think. I'm not sure what you hope to understand here.

It received a 3/5 on this site yet they talk about it on the podcast like it's not even worth playing. Seems a bit inconsistent to me.

The way I see it, and I think I've heard them talk about it before (might've been somewhere else) is that it is the middle of the road games, 3/5 games, that are the "worst" games. Like the game really just squanders itself and any potential that it had and achieves mediocrity. I don't know how to explain it, but when they talked about Super Mario U that was it sounded like.

@KalAl: his topic *needed* him.

Yeah, fuck Steel Reserve!

people really still think chemtrails are a 'conspiracy' . .. : (

The Asura's Wrath discussion has made me resolute in my belief that Giant Bomb should play Asura's Wrath in a livestream so that everyone can enjoy it as Jeff suggested. Watch people play the insanity and enjoy premium Giant Bomb commentary.

@BaconGames: Wait you guys show latest comments first? Madness. :p

I am sure people have figured this out by now, but just in case you haven't listened to this yet, the Mass Effect 3 talk ends right at the 1 hour mark. They have a small little segment at the beginning of the show where they dont talk much about Mass Effect 3 spoilers but if you don't want to be spoiled at all, the 1 hour mark is basically where they start

Well I just finished Mass Effect 3, I had been putting it off because I wanted to wait for atleast most of the DLC to be released and because I simply didn't want it to end. I bought it on release day. I haven't listened to the spoilery part of the podcast yet but I kinda liked the ending. I played the extended cut along with all the DLC and I don't know why everyone is so pissed off. Do I need to see the original version of the ending for that?
 
I liked synthesis

Old wounds have been open again after listening to this podcast.

@Shingro said:

@KalAl: Regardless of whether you think he should have dropped everything for this I can't imagine this conversation being as deep or as comprehensive without Brad. No one on the Bombcast does deep dives into a thing like brad does, and this topic *needed* him.

I agree. That's one of the many things I enjoy about Brad.

@Marokai said:

And thus the Bombcast gets to have their cake and eat it too. 9 Months ago, if forum commenters said such things about ME3 as "it betrayed me" "it's disgusting" "a blight on the Mass Effect name" "it tarnishes the franchise" "it spit in my face" "it's infuriating" you dismissed them as "well, there's goes the internet again, just being crazy and entitled!" And now here you are, saying the same stuff that the people you shit on way back when said, now that the controversy has come and gone. I'm happy you finally got into a ME3 discussion (and happy Brad finally played the damn thing) but this is every problem I've ever had with the Bombcast distilled into a single hour, basically. You want to seem "above" the general consumer when there's a controversy, even when you actually agree with them and would go so far as to use similarly hyperbolic language to make your case, and it shouldn't take you until the end of the year to get real about this stuff. Dragon Age 2 was a great example from last year, when the people were up in arms about it, you poked vague fun at the game but shied away from discussing your worries about Bioware, until the end of the year. It shouldn't take this long to get raw honesty from the bombcast, when it's the best thing you guys do. Don't treat disappointed consumers as if they're a lower class, when you privately agree with them. You should instead have the consumers back, and have it when it counts.

Yes! YES! Though, to be fair, I felt most of the gaming journalists at the time were more appalled at consumers reactions than they were with EA's shoddy handling of the franchise (I know Bioware should bear the burden of responsibility, but my belief is that Mass Effect was "EA'd" to death). I remember reading one article on Forbes where the journalist took the consumers side but the rest of the industry seemed to be siding with the developer/publisher which is the exact opposite of what they're supposed to do. Plus, they seemed to check out of the conversation, not really trying to understand why consumers were reacting so strongly, as shown by Jeff's implication that we demanded that Bioware "fix" the Normandy so it could fly again at the end. None of the conversations I saw were raging about anything so small, but more about the lackadaisical way everything was wrapped up after so many years in the making. Hearing the bombcast rage at ME3 now just makes me wonder, where were you guys when we needed you?

@Venatio said:

Well I just finished Mass Effect 3, I had been putting it off because I wanted to wait for atleast most of the DLC to be released and because I simply didn't want it to end. I bought it on release day. I haven't listened to the spoilery part of the podcast yet but I kinda liked the ending. I played the extended cut along with all the DLC and I don't know why everyone is so pissed off. Do I need to see the original version of the ending for that?

I liked synthesis

As someone who appreciates the "synthesis" conclusion to the trilogy, I've never understood the ME3 outrage either.

I've completed the game with the original ending and with the extended cut. I've also completed Leviathan. Neither DLC retcons the original ending; they simply fill in details (that honestly, people could have figured out on their own).

(For this next point I could be mistaken, so please correct me if I'm wrong.) I think it's important to point out that on the podcast, Vinnie was the only person to have played the original ending and then the subsequent DLC. He's also the only person to not have a problem with it.

Brad only experienced ME3 with the DLC, and Jeff and Patrick without. Their outrage about ME3 getting "EA'd" and shamelessly retconned is hard to take seriously when they only experienced the differences vicariously.

It's funny Jeff made the exact same comments about MGS and MGS 2 in 2008 GOTY bombcast.

Okay, Corpse Party is nowhere near the same level as 999 or VLR. Check it out, by all means, just don't expect too much.

Great episode, Mass Effect discussion goes on for like an hour but a few good laughs.