Quick Look: EX: Mark of the Ninja

@triviaman09 said:

@WJist said:

I am TOTALLY that guy in stealth games that wants to sneak by without killing anybody. The last Deus Ex and Splinter Cell games eventually forced me to :/

What about that is fun, if I may ask you or anyone else? Is it just the extra challenge? I always liked sneaking past dudes when it made sense and icing them when that made more sense in stealth games. I loved the stealth combat in Conviction but thought it was not so good in Deus Ex: HR, despite generally liking that game as well.

The challenge is part of it but normally, I'd say it feels pretty badass to complete your objectives without anyone being the wiser. Also in most stealth-action games, you are rewarded more if you complete things this way as opposed to guns blazing or killing anyone (and usually, the action part in these games is difficult/not good - fighting in Hitman is extremely difficult once you're discovered). I replayed a lot of missions or restarted in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood because I wanted to see what happened with 100% sync and because I thought the stealthier challenges fit in more with Ezio's character.

In the case of Deus Ex: HR, the boss fights really screwed over stealth-oriented builds and didn't make a lot of sense since I spent the whole game cloaking through or knocking guys unconscious.

Just mentioning Tenchu makes me want to go play it. I don't care if they were horrible I had a lot of fun playing 1 through 3.

While I'm not the biggest fan of stealth, this still looks great! Hope to play it soon.

This looks interesting. I'll be keeping an eye on it.

really like the look of this...just hope it aint over in few hours.

I love that you can tell within 2 minutes that this is from the creators of Shank.

Yes.

@Sword5 said:

The hours per dollar thing can be messy, but I think people want to know if a game is longer than two hours if they are being asked to pay $15.

I have to agree with you there. It's not always about the hours per dollar with me, but when a developer dances around the "how long is this game" question, that means it's ultra short.

That's not always a bad thing, especially for me because my gaming time is quite limited, but still. I'll wait until a few days after release and see what the GB community has to say about Mark before I take the plunge.

This looks cool and the QLEX shows the game can get deep. That was my gripe with Shank, that it wasn't very deep in part the it was supposed to excel at, and became quite repetitive.

@Sword5 said:

The hours per dollar thing can be messy, but I think people want to know if a game is longer than two hours if they are being asked to pay $15.

I have to agree with you there. It's not always about the hours per dollar with me, but when a developer dances around the "how long is this game" question, that means it's ultra short.

That's not always a bad thing, especially for me because my gaming time is quite limited, but still. I'll wait until a few days after release and see what the GB community has to say about Mark before I take the plunge.

I didn't really like Shank but this looks a bit more interesting.

I generally like the game but my only gripe is I don't like the way it pauses the game when you aim something, especially in middle of combat, it takes the skill out of the game and makes it too easy in my opinion.

@DarkbeatDK: Ninji

@DJJoeJoe said:

@DarkbeatDK: Ninji

Ninjeens

@triviaman09: @WJist: For me, give me the chance in a game to take the moral highground and I will pounce on that shit like a starved lioness does a sickly antelope. Especially so if, like the case seems to be with this game, it comes at the price of being more challenging.

It doesn't always end up being a very pleasant or rewarding experience however. Mirror's Edge for instance became quite a bit more frustrating when I did this.

@DarkbeatDK said:

@DJJoeJoe said:

@DarkbeatDK: Ninji

Ninjeens

I got some of those; they're real comfy.

@RockmanBionics said:

@DarkbeatDK said:

The plural of Ninja is "Ninja"... There's no such thing as Ninjas

One of many, many things that Ninja have in common with Pokémon.

Pretty sure that the plural of Pokémon is Pokémans. Gotta catch those Pokémans.... =p

Looks cool, loving all the great looking 2D games recently. Also, the dev totally has a back of the box quote ready to go.

"If you stab them, they will perish."

Definately going to buy this. Looks great.

Will have to buy this and Dust.....after Borderlands 2 is paid off.

@ProfessorEss said:

@MB said:

@Sword5 said:

The hours per dollar thing can be messy, but I think people want to know if a game is longer than two hours if they are being asked to pay $15.

I have to agree with you there. It's not always about the hours per dollar with me, but when a developer dances around the "how long is this game" question, that means it's ultra short.

That's not always a bad thing, especially for me because my gaming time is quite limited, but still. I'll wait until a few days after release and see what the GB community has to say about Mark before I take the plunge.

Just spitballin' here, but when someone who made the game is having a discussion with someone who doesn't pay for games maybe they should just forgo the whole "value" conversation?

On topic: Game looks pretty sweet, definitely more appealing to me than Shank. I too have similar qualms with the stealth genre and I really like all the binary visual queues they've implemented here.

I agree that no one in that video actually cares about value.

It just bugs when people who review products for a living forget that the first interaction a consumer will ever have with any game is paying for it. This patron of it arts crap that has been springing up out of reviewers is a bummer.

I just think that Jeff misses the current point of the hour question. He seems to be working off the old RPG mindset that a gamers want/need to be over 100 of hours to be happy. People ask about hours now because games get shorter with every release.

I just don't want Brad and Patrick to defend the dollar per minute question that is bound to happen at some point.

I like what I see here, plus I'm a fan of Shank. I'll have to check this out.

This is for me. Love stealth, loved Shank, love bite-size campaigns. Bring on September!

I'm 100% sold. Game looks excellent.

Yeah, wow, this totally puts me in the mindset of a 2D Thief. I'm into it.

Very cool. I enjoyed Shank to a point, but the game did seem a bit anemic as far as content goes.

But if this game means that these guys are one step closer to making a Samurai Jack game, bring it on.

Man, I was hoping for a PS3 release. I have dusted off the old 360 recently to replay The Witcher 2 and whatnot, so it's already back out on the entertainment center. Guess I better round up some Microsoft space bucks by September.

These guys have an amazing 2D style in all their games. I think the gameplay of this looks way more interesting than Shank. I'm pretty excited.

This looks really cool I'm sold .This reminds my of the predator sections in Arkhem city but in 2d of course.

a lot of quick look EX's recently :P

@Sword5 said:

The hours per dollar thing can be messy, but I think people want to know if a game is longer than two hours if they are being asked to pay $15.

Journey isn't long at all but I felt I got way more out of it than many 60 dollar long-ass RPGs.

This looks kind of fun.

Looks pretty fantastic! I'm glad to hear mumblings about a PC version in the works. I hate hearing about all these fantastic indie games getting locked down to one closed system.

Well I was looking forward to this to bad its Xbox only, bummer.

@capnhaggis said:

a lot of quick look EX's recently :P

True, but they have been a lot better than before in my opinion. Can't believe one of my favorite ones is of a NASCAR game.

I want to pay money and play this thing.

One of the better Quick Look EXs I've seen. Game seems pretty cool.

Major stealth junkie here, I'am so sold on this game.

@LarryDavis said:

@Sword5 said:

The hours per dollar thing can be messy, but I think people want to know if a game is longer than two hours if they are being asked to pay $15.

Journey isn't long at all but I felt I got way more out of it than many 60 dollar long-ass RPGs.

Yeah, the hours-to-dollars argument only holds up in a world where every game is of exactly equal quality, which is clearly not the world we occupy. For $15 I'd take the 90 minutes of Journey over the potentially dozens of hours you could spend playing Rainbow Moon* any day. I don't remember seeing many people who played through Journey or Limbo saying they didn't get their money's worth.

*I liked Rainbow Moon quite a bit, but on a time-for-money basis it's an extreme contrast to something like Journey

On topic, you guys saying this game is overly short are really jumping to conclusions. What I saw of it outside the QL didn't give that impression at all.

What does the 'EX' in quicklookEX stand for?

Yes, please do bring it to the PC. Like right the eff now.

Yes, please do bring it to the PC. Like right the eff now.

Damn. I want this on Ps3 so bad. Hopefully it comes to Ps3 at some point.

Take my money now!

@dvand987 said:

What does the 'EX' in quicklookEX stand for?

I also wonder this often.

Looks like a lot of fun. Looking forward to it's release!

really not liking the trend of QLEXs that seems to be popping up...ALOT lately, most of them (like this one or the Transformers one) are basically just half an hour of PR shilling while Jeff or whoever goes "uh hu" "oh yeah?" etc. The Darksiders one wasnt that bad, but still, just the fact that these are replacing actual quicklooks (aparently there will be no Darksiders 2 "proper" quicklook) is troubling.

It seems they dont understand that we dont watch quicklooks for game footage, at least not just that, we watch it to see THEM play and THEM comment and goof around with the games. If we just wanted game footage, we could see it on a dozen other websites, know what I mean?

This looks pretty shweet!. Need more stealth games.

Mark of Shank?

I'm looking forward to seeing all of Klei's work on the Torchlight 2 cinematics.

The intro looks rad.

This game looks cool. I think I'll prefer it to Shank.