Hearthfire broke my Skyrim. I have no mods install and even reinstalled Skyrim to no avail. It just freezes randomly.

Bummed this is a timed exclusive. I completely lost any interest I had in playing Dawnguard because I had to wait for it on PC. I could easily see that happening with Dragonborn too.

Skyrim is still borked on PS3 regardless.

Hmm? Elsewhere? Or Elsweyr? J'Zargo shall wait for the answer....

@whitespider said:

@Overbite:

"I don't see the appeal of Skyrim DLC on the PC when you have hundreds and hundreds of free mods to mess with."

I have many, many mods on pc. And skyrim dlc is MORE tempting to me than many others who play vanilla skyrim on a console. Because my skyrim now has so many more features, immersive touches, etc. It's a better game, and thus you want the new content for a better game - more than you want new content for a lesser game.

Mods make skyrim incredible, however they don't expand game content in the same way. What bethesda can do in months would take a modding team five or ten years. So a bethesda dlc is a different beast entirely. Do I want the leveling to expand and respect higher level gameplay, or do I want combat system to feel more tactical and less 'mashy'? Do I want npc's to be covered in snow, or hundreds of new creatures? I can turn to mods for that and hundreds of other small additions.

Mods change the existing game in meaningful ways, what they don't do - is add a new worldspace. Add a new %'tage of actual game to skyrim. Betheda does that, and that's something else entirely in terms of excitement. One kind of skyrim improvement is not all encompassing. There are many kinds.

Edit: It's a better game, however it's also a more crash prone game if you don't spend a few solid hours understanding load orders, mod cleaning, etc. So it's not perfect either. I'm not trying to give that impression.

There's a couple of decent mods that add new world space, like Moonpath to Elseweyr. The amateur voice-acting is even mostly not-terrible!

But yeah, you're right. I play with a shit load of mods but no matter how big and polished some of them are, it's just not the same as the real DLC.

Oblivion on PS3 was perfect, this is pretty sad. Thankfully I have the other versions to play.

@Slaegar said:

I feel worse for poor Bethesda who has to make an open world game on 135MBs of RAM. They may as well try and make an iphone version if they can pull that off. Timed exclusives are really gross, though. Especially such a massive gap on them. I wonder how much Microsoft had to pay them to get that advantage. I certainly hope no one is picking platforms based on timed DLC windows.

135mb of RAM? Where? On the PS3? I thought the PS3 had 256mb dedicated to VRAM and 256mb for system RAM?

Fucking Micro$oft always securing early DLC exclusivity. I really wonder how much money they throw at developers/publishers just to do this.

I really don't care about Skyrim anymore. It definitely didn't deserve GotY last year.

@Divina_Rex: Potential solution is to take the drafting tables out of your home - no more freezes.

At this point, I think wait it out for a game of the year edition with the lot in.

I'll buy it. I shouldn't seeing as how I didn't visit all the locations in the main game but whatever.

@Slaegar said:

135mb of RAM? Where? On the PS3? I thought the PS3 had 256mb dedicated to VRAM and 256mb for system RAM?

I thankfully didn't suffer the problems a lot of people seemed to on PS3. The worst was 3 or 4 hard locks over the 120 hours I put into it. This was orders of magnitude better than New Vegas (I loved the game, but it was borderline unplayable for me).

I bought Skyrim on day one and I'd absolutely love to support them by buying all the DLC at full price on release to keep supporting them. However, this whole Microsoft exclusivity agreement makes me feel like waiting until the DLC is 75% off as I really just don't want to support that kind of business deal/plans. Winter sale or bust, Bethesda. At least in my book... little as it's worth.

@HellBound: If you're bored maybe you should you know, try the story.

@HellBound: You're a weird guy, Ace.

@HellBound: If you're bored maybe you should you know, try the story.

I think Bethesda should just invoke the Phil Fish law on the PS3 version of Skyrim.

"Fixing it would be hard and expensive, so we don't wanna."

Gamers seemed to be cool with it last time.

Downloading Dragonborn when I get home!!

@SlashDance said:

If you're on PS3, selling the game and rebuying it for PC seems like the best solution. It's been on sale a good number of times, you can easily transfer your save, and even with a crappy PC you can get it to look better. Also, mods.

I would say, sell your PS3 copy and buy a used version on Xbox 360. Bethesda does not deserve more of your money.

@Slaegar said:

@Hemmelight said:

@Slaegar said:

135mb of RAM? Where? On the PS3? I thought the PS3 had 256mb dedicated to VRAM and 256mb for system RAM?

Both correct, but the XMB on the PS3 and general operating system stuff uses almost half of the 256MBs of system RAM. Comparably the same systems use about 70MBs on the xbox 360.

Ah, gotcha. That's what I thought.

@DeathTrap said:

@SlashDance said:

If you're on PS3, selling the game and rebuying it for PC seems like the best solution. It's been on sale a good number of times, you can easily transfer your save, and even with a crappy PC you can get it to look better. Also, mods.

I would say, sell your PS3 copy and buy a used version on Xbox 360. Bethesda does not deserve more of your money.

Sure, if you really hate Bethesda and don't want mods.

@HellBound said:

@StevetheRadroach

@HellBound: If you're bored maybe you should you know, try the story.

Playing the story doesn't make the gameplay any less boring.

but its not boring

@SlashDance said:

@DeathTrap said:

@SlashDance said:

If you're on PS3, selling the game and rebuying it for PC seems like the best solution. It's been on sale a good number of times, you can easily transfer your save, and even with a crappy PC you can get it to look better. Also, mods.

I would say, sell your PS3 copy and buy a used version on Xbox 360. Bethesda does not deserve more of your money.

Sure, if you really hate Bethesda and don't want mods.

Has nothing to do with hating Bethesda. He's already given Bethesda money for the PS3 version - why reward them with more money? As for mods - you're right. That is a drawback for 360 version. On the other hand, you do get the DLC earlier than everyone else.

@Pixeldemon said:

@Sputty said:

The delayed releases are really good at taking away the interest I had in getting DLC. I completely forgot about the other DLC and now I have no interest in getting it at all. This one will probably be the same.

Yep. Bethesda completely squandered the addon potential of Skyrim with this garbage. Also, as a PC, PS3 and 360 owner, I'd really appreciate it if companies stopped selling exclusivity rights. It's just a giant "fuck you" to everyone. It improves no one's experience, it only worsens it for some.

Incorrect. As they are paid for timed exclusives, this equates to more money to sink into development of DLC or future games. More money = better staff, more time in testing, better perfomance. And everyone gets to play it eventually, unlike an actual exclusive. Thus, with timed exclusives, everyone wins.

@Veektarius: Glad you can be an optimist about this. You might be right. But it could just as easily be "More money = more cash for shareholders and a raise for the marketing team". And I do think the exclusivity bit does hurt sales in the long run by killing the hype for the alternative platforms, and harming the goodwill of the customers who get "excluded". But that's just a difference of opinion.

@Veektarius said:

@Pixeldemon said:

@Sputty said:

The delayed releases are really good at taking away the interest I had in getting DLC. I completely forgot about the other DLC and now I have no interest in getting it at all. This one will probably be the same.

Yep. Bethesda completely squandered the addon potential of Skyrim with this garbage. Also, as a PC, PS3 and 360 owner, I'd really appreciate it if companies stopped selling exclusivity rights. It's just a giant "fuck you" to everyone. It improves no one's experience, it only worsens it for some.

Incorrect. As they are paid for timed exclusives, this equates to more money to sink into development of DLC or future games. More money = better staff, more time in testing, better perfomance. And everyone gets to play it eventually, unlike an actual exclusive. Thus, with timed exclusives, everyone wins.

Its still a shitty practice, especially in this case where the pc version is the best version of the game. Im not gonna go buy it on my 360 to play it 30 days early.

Not sure how I feel about this exclusivity crap. Isn't the intent the same as a regular monopoly?

@dudy80 said:

@Veektarius said:

@Pixeldemon said:

@Sputty said:

The delayed releases are really good at taking away the interest I had in getting DLC. I completely forgot about the other DLC and now I have no interest in getting it at all. This one will probably be the same.

Yep. Bethesda completely squandered the addon potential of Skyrim with this garbage. Also, as a PC, PS3 and 360 owner, I'd really appreciate it if companies stopped selling exclusivity rights. It's just a giant "fuck you" to everyone. It improves no one's experience, it only worsens it for some.

Incorrect. As they are paid for timed exclusives, this equates to more money to sink into development of DLC or future games. More money = better staff, more time in testing, better perfomance. And everyone gets to play it eventually, unlike an actual exclusive. Thus, with timed exclusives, everyone wins.

Its still a shitty practice, especially in this case where the pc version is the best version of the game. Im not gonna go buy it on my 360 to play it 30 days early.

Neither am I! But the money Bethesda gets for selling those 30 days to Microsoft mean a lot more to their company than they do to us as gamers, waiting 30 days to play a video game. We're not exactly talking about life-saving medicine here.

Cant wait for the MMO