This setup better have a HELLUVA punchline for them...cause "grimdark misery porn feat. Bearded Dad" is a well that is fast starting to look brackish.

@undeadpool said:@anominal: I can list MANY reasons why I'm against "a remake of 'The Last of Us'" as can, and have, many of the listed people above. One of the biggest being: if there's less information, the AAA games industry has trained me to assume the worst.

So lacking information besides "A remake of 'The Last of Us,'" I can presume it will be a retelling of a game that JUST had an HD release on new console hardware because the videogames industry is becoming as riskaverse as the film industry."

Quid pro quo: what has Naughty Dog done to engender the kind of blind faith in their next project that would make you hostile toward people who are skeptical of what sounds like a terrible idea?

Blind faith is a massive over reaction just like being outright against any remake, can I not simply shrug and ignore it?

The remake by all accounts wasn't even ND idea, but from a support studio as a means to prove themselves.

Which incidentally was passed to ND due to high costs, this doesn't sound like a big project that'll slow down ND next game.

If they're going to "remake it" but won't even confirm that it's going to have the same stars...then why not just have an expansion game??? Why not anthologize the name "Last of Us" and tell more stories in that universe than just the Joel/Ellie ones??

We have news regarding the remake from a Scheicher article, where's the expectation to receive any imformation for the moment. The remake could very easily be cancelled and never see the light of day.

@thepanzini: I am not duty-bound to be excited for a game just because it COULD be good. Sorry, but ND has lost a ton of stock over the last couple of years, so...they've lost the benefit of the doubt from me, which I'm expressing on this forum about videogames.

I don't get your argument as I could just swap out the argument and invert it: why should you be excited for a Last of Us remake? Why are you on here defending it and the studio if it could be cancelled tomorrow? Why do YOU care if I'm not allowed to?

I really like both Last of Us games. Not really interested in this idea. I hope this is misinformation, maybe a spinoff or find-out-what-happened-to-other-characters-at-the-same-timequel.

@undeadpool: As I said in my post I'm ambivalent to the news, never said I was excited neither has anyone else in the thread.

How about The Rest of Us? Someone must've said that in a boardroom out loud.

Alternatively,

The

Rest

of Em.

(presumably anyone who hasn't yet procured a PS5).

Also- the more I read/hear about this project, the less I'm convinced this is coming anytime sooner than 3 years out...at which point folks might be more amiable to a revamped version.

I personally couldn't hardly believe it when I read that they had made plans to remake that game. It's still so new and was just re-released. Make a new game in the franchise if you must but a remake? To what end?

@thepanzini: Okay. One might question the purpose of such a thought on a discussion forum, but that someone won't be me.

The Remaster came out just a year after the original release. Weird to see ppl say "the remaster just came out." The PS3 release is going on 8 years, the remaster going on 7. By the time it comes out, it'll be in a similar timeframe as the Demon's Souls remake. I get not being excited for this but it'll have the potential to find lots of new audiences and I'm sure a lot of big fans still exist that'll have the hunger by then.

It's one of the best games of the last decade and a massive commercial success so I can see how this makes sense somehow on paper. I'm certainly not the target cuz it is too soon for me personally but I don't quite get the reaction. Feels kneejerk as hell. If you're mad, it's probably not for you. That doesn't change the fact that a kid that was 8 years old when TLOU came out might be 18 by the time a remake comes out and is a good fit for him/her.

I'm not even gonna touch on ppl blaming this for Days Gone 2 not being greenlit, let alone wanting Days Gone 2 at all.

@liquiddragon: It's not just about the length of time, it's also the fact that there's only one other game in the series, and that JUST came out, so it seems strange to remake the first game instead of just...continuing the series. There's also the fact that the PS4 version of The Last of Us still looks pretty good so gains seem minimal. It also works on the PS5, so it's very accessible.

Imagine if this was being proposed for another series. Like they made a Ghost of Tsushima 2...and then their next project was Ghost of Tsushima remade. Or Splatoon or Titanfall. Imagine if those games were announced for remakes. It would be very strange. Why is the third game in the series just a remake of the first, and while the first is still available and looks and plays fine etc...

@bigsocrates: But you don't know if the gains will be minimal tho...? I think you're underestimating how far a jump could be for a 10 year old game. And imo, length of time is a key factor. How many games in a series seems arbitrary to me. And the news of this being worked on came out close to TLOU2, not the actual game. Those are not the same thing.

Also, TLOU1 is on another level to GoT, Splatoon, Titanfall imo. I tend to think only certain tier games deserve remakes and as far as games from that gen go, TLOU1 is on that shortlist. Add to that, TLOU1 broke through like only a handful of games do in a given gen. It has cachet beyond these enthusiast walls.

Again, it doesn't excite me personally but I think the GB crowd tends to be older and the concept of time is a bit distorted on all of us. We have to realize 10 years is a long time in the gaming sphere. That's like 2 generations of gamers. I'm sure it "holds up" and all but most ppl would rather play a shiny new thing, even if that shiny new thing is older underneath.

What? Last Of Us just came out in 2013. What significantly new thing can they possibly offer?

@liquiddragon: I know the differences between PS3 and PS5 games. I've played games on both consoles this year. And the PS4 port of Last of Us looked okay for an early PS4 game, so it's really more like 1.5 generations difference instead of 2.

There's no "tier" rule for remakes. Medieval got a remake and that is a B-tier game if there ever was one. The issue is not whether TLOU1 is worthy of a remake at some point it is, as I said, whether Naughty Dog is going to do anything interesting in remaking a game that they made somewhat recently on hardware that's better, but not that much better.

You say that being old (and I am almost 40) can make time pass quickly, and it can, but it can also exaggerate the difference between generations and the speed of evolution because of how fast things moved in the 80s and 90s. 10 years in the 80s and 90s was the time between The Legend of Zelda and Mario 64. An almost unfathomable difference. Now it's the time between Gears of War 3 and Outriders. Does Outriders look better? Sure. But is it anything like the gap there used to be? Not even remotely.

Game tech and design evolution has slowed way the heck down.

This is not the first time this has happened. There was only a 6 year gap between Metal Gear Solid and Twin Snakes. But there's also a reason that Kojima didn't direct Twin Snakes.

@robertforster: Part 2 was a much better playing game, ND could very easily open up the combat environments giving players a lot more freedom in encounters.

The remake could also take advantage of the PS5 SSD, removing some of the boring puzzles and traversal obstacles which often masked loading, and probably use the animation improvments from Part 2.

@thepanzini: Yeah. If there's one thing we've learned from Uncharted 4 and Last of Us Part 2 it's that Naughty Dog has really learned to cut down the bloat and make games that are lean and sleek, like greyhounds.

If they're going to do a whole remake like that (as opposed to just remaking the graphics and refining the gameplay but leaving the game underneath intact like Tony Hawk 1+2) then they're going to want new voices and performance capture, new areas to show off their sweet rope tech, etc... It's going to be a massive undertaking that will consume the studio's resources for half the generation...

Just to produce the same story we've seen that will lack the same punch the second time, especially in the light of the events of 2.

@bigsocrates: The Last of Us was quite linear it wasn't until Uncharted 4 and Part 2 that wide linear became a thing for ND.

The remake could very easily just improve textures and animations keeping the same structure but opening up the combat arenas, why would they need new voices for that?

Schreier just went on a podcast and said the only reason the remake is happening is because ND have people in between project with very little to do.

The remake will probably only be worked on until their next project leaves pre-production and Factions ships, which should be about a year or so.

The lines between remake and remasting can often be quite thin.

@thepanzini: If you're remaking the levels then you have to redo the cut scenes (that took place in the old levels) and at that point you're looking at old and busted performance capture and they'd likely want to tweak some of the plot and...this is how things spiral out of control.

If it's just a remaster where they touch up some stuff and maybe throw in better controls then, yeah, why not, that's quick and dirty and you can do that with production staff that isn't busy while you're in pre-production on The Last of Us 3: There's Still More Of Us But We're The Last Ones.

But I can't recall any remakes that redid the level design but left in the old voices and some of the older assets.

There seem to be three types of "re" things right now.

1) Remasters (use old assets and touch them up a bit but it runs better in higher res)

2) Faithful remake (Crash, Spyro, Tony Hawk, with new graphics and some gameplay tweaks over old levels and voices etc...)

3) Remake from the ground up.

What you're talking about seems like some kind of hybrid between 1 and 3.

Anyway, whatever, at this point we'll have to see what they do and what their output looks like over the next few years.

i'm not sure if it's been posted here, butminnmax had schreier on recentlyand he provided a great deal of context for his report and some interesting supplementary info.

after hearing him talk about his reporting- all of this ends up sounding less controversial and more status quo than perhaps the headline lets on.