Witcher 2: Iorveth or Vernon Roche?

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#1 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -


#2 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

Having a pretty tough time deciding. What did you guys do?

#3 Posted by babblinmule (1262 posts) -

I personally went with Iorveth because whilst he was a bit of a dick, he wasn't AS big a dick as Roche.

#4 Posted by dr_mantas (1761 posts) -

If this stays at 50% it will both not help the OP, and also show the ambiguity of the Witcher 2.

I hope it will.

#5 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

@babblinmule said:

I personally went with Iorveth because whilst he was a bit of a dick, he wasn't AS big a dick as Roche.

Sure Roche is somewhat of a dick, but he's just so damn badass! Kinda leaning toward him right now.

#6 Posted by Twinsun (469 posts) -

I picked Iorveth as he seemed to have the greater cause, but then when I met roche and he blamed me for a certain incident I felt kind of bad.

#7 Posted by david3cm (635 posts) -

Play it twice, thats what I did. But on my first playthrough I went with Roche, because of our shared hatred of the Captain of the Gaurd, whatever that fat asshole's name was.

#8 Edited by Law313 (110 posts) -

Easy, pick one. There's way to much content to see in one play through so, again, it really doesn't matter because you'll be right back at it once you beat it.

EDIT: I went Iorveth for my first run. Felt like it was the right thing to do. But there is no "right" or "good" choice.

#9 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

@david3cm said:

Play it twice, thats what I did. But on my first playthrough I went with Roche, because of our shared hatred of the Captain of the Gaurd, whatever that fat asshole's name was.

Definitely gonna play at least twice. A marvelous game so far, and certainly one of the best role playing games in a while. Everything from the fighting to the dialouge and voice work just seem to be crafted with such care. And yes, Commandor Bernard Loredo is fucking terrible.

#10 Posted by Emperor_Jimmu (249 posts) -

I think Roache is a pretty nice guy, all things considered. He is also right about the non-human issue; Iorveth's actions will make things worse for normal elves and dwarves.

#11 Posted by project343 (2809 posts) -

Roche is racist. I hate racists with a burning passion. Went with Iorveth. :P

#12 Posted by LiquidPrince (15833 posts) -

Chose Iorveth. Didn't regret it. Depending on some choices Roche MAY still be somewhat friendly to you even if you choose Iorveth.

#13 Posted by deox (210 posts) -

I chose Iorveth. Roche is a racist dick... fuck that guy.

#14 Edited by benspyda (2015 posts) -

I went with Vernon Roche. No idea why though, he wasn't really that nice. I don't regret it though but would love to play through again and see how things turn out with Iorveth.

#15 Posted by Draugen (616 posts) -

@project343: Problem is, Iorveth is just as racist as Roche. I don't really like any of them, but I chose Iorveth the first time. I'll pick Roche on the next playthrough.

#16 Posted by Animasta (14633 posts) -

@project343 said:

Roche is racist. I hate racists with a burning passion. Went with Iorveth. :P

Iorveth is just as racist, he doesn't hate Geralt as much just because he's a Gwynbleidd

#17 Posted by Commisar123 (1790 posts) -

Roche, he's is just doing his job. I mean he's awful but he doesn't take pleasure in it.

#18 Posted by JasonR86 (9580 posts) -

They both suck but I chose Vernon. At least with him he's not the one in charge and there would be a chance for unity with someone else. Iorveth was it. It would be his way or the highway and he was a poor leader who didn't want to give unity a try. Basically I took the lesser of two evils because the potential for change seemed greater with Vernon.

#19 Posted by FancySoapsMan (5796 posts) -

Iorveth. Even though both of them were kind of dicks, at least I could sort of sympathize with Iorveth. 

#20 Edited by M_Shini (550 posts) -

I played through it with them both but Iorveth was my first choice, i never really grew to like Roche too badly, and i saw going with Iorveth could lead to greater things in how i change the world for better for worse.

#21 Posted by Vitor (2809 posts) -

The Roche path I found to have a better story experience, more interesting characters and choices and felt like a more fleshed out experience overall.

That said, if you don't pick Iorveth, you miss out in a TON of story stuff that is completely glossed over on the Roche path.

Definitely need to play through both to experience the full tale but I personally felt like there was more interesting intrigue and personal conflict with Roche's path.

#22 Posted by Ramone (2954 posts) -

Iorveth. I felt his cause was the more worthy.

#23 Posted by Toxeia (728 posts) -

After playing twice and doing each, I felt Iorveth's had the better story line. Or rather, I felt better about the ending when all was said and done.

#24 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

Story wise, Roche. 
 
But gameplay wise, Roche's boring, boring, boring path where the entire game is wasted around a bunch of fucking kings and running back and forth through their camps turned me from a Witcher 2 lover into a full blown hater in a New York minute. 
 
Play Iorvith's path, it's supposed to be more goddamn interesting.

#25 Posted by Subach (41 posts) -

@project343 said:

Roche is racist. I hate racists with a burning passion. Went with Iorveth. :P

Iorveth is just as racist, he's just pragmatic enough to cooperate with humans to achieve his goals.

I went with Iorveth the first time, partially because I do find the scoia'tel sympathetic, brutality aside, and partially because I found him more mysterious, more intriguing than Roche.

Roche is cool, but in time you spend with him before the end of chapter 1, you get to know what makes him tick, he's not exactly a closed book. Iorveth, on the other hand, is more cagey about his designs, and I wanted to know what exactly he was up to.

#26 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

Ended up riding along with Roche, mainly because he's the nicest badass there ever was.

#27 Posted by KillyDarko (1888 posts) -

Iorveth, it just felt right at the time and I never regretted it.

#28 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10343 posts) -

The way I see it, why would you side with this random Elf guy instead of the guy what got you out of a dungeon?

#29 Posted by project343 (2809 posts) -

@Animasta: Iorveth's racism felt a lot more justified. His racism was rooted in a justice for his oppressed people as opposed to... being racist dicks for the sake of it.

#30 Posted by pweidman (2282 posts) -

Both. TW2 requires at least 2 playthroughs to see all that's on offer. Personally I chose Iorveth first, and upon playing Roche second trip, I found him a fairly honorable soldier, simply following orders...

all except his burning revenge for the slaughter of his troops. He deserved that though imo.
#31 Edited by h83r (468 posts) -

Guys I'm not going to lie. I chose Roche for two reason and two reasons alone.

1. There are more achievements on the Vernon Roche path.

B. Ves was quite a hottie, as far as video games go, and I did want to, as the achievement puts it, "seduce her".

But let's be real here. If B was on a different path than 1, I would've totally chosen achievements. Luckily, The Witcher 2 didn't make me make that decision. So, I guess thank you Witcher 2.

#32 Posted by dekkadekkadekka (724 posts) -

Gave a sword to Iorveth during the battle then sided with Roche.

#33 Posted by Giantstalker (1512 posts) -

Vernon Roche, but in the end, I kinda accidentally screwed him over. I definitely need to play this game again.

#34 Posted by DharmaBum (1037 posts) -

I liked the fact that Iorveth wasn't some generic, pretty boy elf found in typical fantasy lore, so I sided with him first playthrough. He also completely insulted Roche upon entering Flotsam, to which Roche mustered some lame one-liner comeback to defend himself, so that left me with an odd impression.

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#35 Edited by Cirdain (2996 posts) -

Both are dicks but I got a letter of recommendation while walking around saying that Vernon was actually pretty good. Its just he come across as a prick.

#36 Posted by l4wd0g (1892 posts) -

Roche Is a fantastic character.

#37 Edited by xyzygy (9868 posts) -

Definitely Roche. I went with Iorveth the first time and I'd have to say that I grew to like Roche quite a bit more. There is a side of Iorveth that you will learn later on which makes him seem incredibly seflish and childish, and as a result makes Roche seem like the more dedicated and stronger character. Also, Roche is such an asshole that it's just funny. Him and Geralt have some pretty great talks. Another thing to mention is that Roche is more involved in Chapters 2 and 3 than Iorveth is, for story reasons.

Regardless, play both. I played Iorveth first then Roche and came away from the game with such a lasting, great impression. I'm sure it would be the same way the other way around.

@Lebensbaum said:

I liked the fact that Iorveth wasn't some generic, pretty boy elf found in typical fantasy lore, so I sided with him first playthrough. He also completely insulted Roche upon entering Flotsam, to which Roche mustered some lame one-liner comeback to defend himself, so that left me with an odd impression.

That was such an awesome Roche moment! Iorveth is introducing Roche with all these titles and names, about how he's ruthless and a killer of nonhumans and the leader of the infamous Blue Stripes... then Roche replies with: "Iorveth, a regular whoreson!" and throws a dagger at him. Pretty awesome if you ask me.

#38 Posted by Donkeycow (556 posts) -

Vernon Roche is fucking fantastic, a badass to the core. Not only did he help you escape imprisonment at the start as well, you share common goals. I honestly do not understand why anyone would help Iorveth.... he not only tries to kill you when you first meet but he's also a terrorist (albeit one with a just cause... but the ends do not justify the means).

#39 Posted by sthusby (382 posts) -

@dr_mantas said:

If this stays at 50% it will both not help the OP, and also show the ambiguity of the Witcher 2.

I hope it will.

We're getting there.

#40 Posted by Canteu (2821 posts) -

I went with Roche.

Elves are gay and are bitches.

Roche is a badass.

#41 Posted by Doctorchimp (4067 posts) -

Roche.

Dirty squirrels think they own the place.

#42 Posted by valrog (3671 posts) -

They're both incredible characters, but I went with Roche. I just felt that his path was more leaning towards Geralt's own goals. That being said, I hope Iorveth doesn't hold a grudge against me.

Also, obligatory Roche is a badass gif.

#43 Posted by DharmaBum (1037 posts) -

@xyzygy said:

That was such an awesome Roche moment! Iorveth is introducing Roche with all these titles and names, about how he's ruthless and a killer of nonhumans and the leader of the infamous Blue Stripes... then Roche replies with: "Iorveth, a regular whoreson!" and throws a dagger at him. Pretty awesome if you ask me.

You're right, it plants Iorveth as a more verbose figure in your mind, while Roche is someone who just gets straight to the point. I suppose when I heard his reply, it sounded like petty name-calling when in fact (as The Witcher 2 is known to do) the game is introducing further depth and subtlety for its characters.

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#44 Posted by TentPole (1858 posts) -

@project343: How is Iorveth any less racist?

#45 Posted by ChristianCastillo (1178 posts) -

I chose Roche's path and just started chapter 2. I'm liking the mood of the game and where the story is going so far.

#46 Posted by project343 (2809 posts) -

@TentPole: Because his hostility comes from the oppression his people face. I wouldn't call it racism, I'd call it a form of vengeance-based terrorism against a united group, not an inherent unjustified hatred for a particular race. One is, in my opinion, justified; the other is not.

It's the same sort of grey zone debating that I loved from Skyrim's political war. I'm an Imperialist through and through because at least they weren't racist pricks.

#47 Edited by TentPole (1858 posts) -

@project343: You can call it what you want but he is worse than Roche. Killing people for hanging out with the wrong race is pretty fucking racist. As is wiping out entire towns including women and children because of their race. How is that anything but racism and how the fuck is it justified.

#48 Posted by vikingdeath1 (925 posts) -

Roche for sure, yeah he's a Little bit racist, But I would argue that Iorveth was MORE racist! That dude hated humans Waaaay more than Roche hates non-humans, Justified or not, at least Roche wasn't hidin in the woods killing everyone. (Haven't finished the game yet, so my opinion of him May change)

But I also wanted to bang Ves, and I still plan on trying to get her and Smokin hot sorceress to join me for a "Wild Hunt" if you know what I'm sayin.

#49 Posted by Arker101 (1474 posts) -

The only thing I'll hold against Roche is his pacification of Makaham. It sucks that if you choose him you have to go with Henselt, but he's still a better choice then Iorveth if you ask me.

#50 Posted by project343 (2809 posts) -

@TentPole: But they aren't just 'hanging out with the wrong people.' Their inaction is action enough with the oppression of these minorities around them. Is violence the solution? No. But it's certainly better than sitting idly by. If blood is the cost for social progress, then blood it is.

I don't know how else to justify it. When I heard Iorveth's side of the story, I was wholly on his side.

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