In a World Of Tanks, Have Pilots Become Obsolete?

@Teran

@LocoDeLaCabasa: I think Ten Ton Hammer summed up what rational people with their thoughts grounded in reality thought of the E3 booth.  Read it, or don't.  May this be an anchor you can use to join the sane.

@LocoDeLaCabasa: Thanks for playing.  Please bring your intellect next time.

@LocoDeLaCabasa said:

Behold the "respect":
http://blog.worldoftanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/1.jpg
http://blog.worldoftanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/4.jpg
 
Your despicable words: "So what? A wide array of modern clothing, electronics, sporting equipment, and other items are created under similar circumstances." Your point is that doing something awful is okay because other people have done awful things. I don't want to dignify anything else you say with a response, because you are way too creepy.

Is that really the best you can do?  There is nothing particularly distasteful or disrespectful in those pictures... or do you really think people posing in front of it for pictures (something that is just as likely to happen in a museum I might add) is disrespectful?  The only thing despicable going on in this thread is your pathetic attempt at feigning offense.  Grow up.  My point had nothing to do with "doing something awful".  Nothing awful was done.  You are the one who is claiming something awful has been done and outlined pretty clearly what your definition of awful is.  I don't suppose you know the definition of irony? You don't want to dignify anything else I saw with a response because I'm right and you know it.  The foundation for your argument has been shattered so effectively that you actually posted links to images that backed up my argument instead of yours.  If you had a foundation to stand on you would have been able to answer the questions I asked:  Who are you to say what is a "legitimate and important" use of private property? Why do you believe that history should be locked away in private collections and museums rather than getting public exposure?   World of Tanks has actually been very actively incorporating history into their game.  Not the over all history of World War 2, but the history of each of the tanks and weapons you use in the game.  You learn what stage of the war the tanks we active in, what their role or purpose was, and how successful they were in fulfilling their role.  The game is pretty classy, as was their E3 booth.

Awesome graphics. Beats Fear 3 all to shit

Anyone else youtube palates accidents right now.....

Behold the "respect":
http://blog.worldoftanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/1.jpg
http://blog.worldoftanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/4.jpg
 
Your despicable words: "So what? A wide array of modern clothing, electronics, sporting equipment, and other items are created under similar circumstances." Your point is that doing something awful is okay because other people have done awful things. I don't want to dignify anything else you say with a response, because you are way too creepy.

Can I create the Shagohod?

@leebmx: comparing BF3 to WoT... Good work sir.

I would rather play Giant Bomb's game Universe of Tanks.

I love tanks, I don't love this game...

The graphics for this game shit all over Battlefield 3. 

Tank Porn!!

 
@LocoDeLaCabasa said:

You won't fault me for my ignorance? How big  of you. I know that tank collectors commonly consider themselves stewards, rather than owners. Restoring and preserving that Hetzer in a private collection or museum is legitimate and important, because it lets future generations touch history. I also understand that a large community respects the machines of WWII, since I am one of those people (trucking a Nazi tank to a massive party, and surrounding it with jiggling vaginas, is not called "respect"). My appreciation for historic vehicles has only increased through my collection of almost 700 games. Since you are condescending, I can understand why you insinuate my objection is unqualified, but you have completely misunderstood the difference between tasteful marketing and exploitation.

Who are you to say what is "legitimate and important" use of property?  Do you complain about the pilots who bring restored WW2 era fighters and bombers to air shows and other hhobby/trade shows?  Those are party environments as well, albeit with a different crowd.  Is that somehow more legitimate and important than some guys bringing restored WW2 to E3 giving people who would otherwise never see one of those vehicles up close an opportunity to see these historical vehicles?   You may think that the only place history should be put on display is in museums and private collections, I however do not.  I might be inclined to agree with you if say there are pictures or videos of booth babes doing a strip tease on top of the vehicle or children were climbing on it like it like playground equipment but all the pictures I've seen have it sitting there with an info card next to it detailing what the vehicle is, with people standing in front of it for pictures.  That doesn't sound like exploitation to me.

You won't fault me for my ignorance? How big  of you. I know that tank collectors commonly consider themselves stewards, rather than owners. Restoring and preserving that Hetzer in a private collection or museum is legitimate and important, because it lets future generations touch history. I also understand that a large community respects the machines of WWII, since I am one of those people (trucking a Nazi tank to a massive party, and surrounding it with jiggling vaginas, is not called "respect"). My appreciation for historic vehicles has only increased through my collection of almost 700 games. Since you are condescending, I can understand why you insinuate my objection is unqualified, but you have completely misunderstood the difference between tasteful marketing and exploitation.

@LocoDeLaCabasa said:

Using a real Nazi tank as a promotional tool is in bad taste. Vapid, barely-dressed booth babes are posing beside a weapon that was probably assembled by starving slave labor, then used to advance the odious cause of a genocidal regime. How many lives were crushed by the soldiers who crewed this tank? Now it is used to sell product. Depicting Nazi vehicles in war games is acceptable, because it makes these simulations historically accurate. But using a real Nazi vehicle as a cheap marketing prop crosses the line.

So what?  A wide array of modern clothing, electronics, sporting equipment, and other items are created under similar circumstances.  I won't fault you for your ignorance, but you should understand that there is a large community of people out there who respect the machines used in World War 2. There are enthusiasts all over the world who collect vehicles, firearms, and other equipment and trinkets out of historical interest and respect.  World of Tanks is a game that appeals to many of these people because you can now drive your favorite tanks/tank killers/self-propelled guns from the war and see how they stack up against the others in a fantasy world where nations do not exist.  In World of Tanks you might be driving an American/Russian/German vehicle but you are not fighting for the ideals of any of those nations, you are put on a team of people driving vehicles from all three nations against a team of vehicles from all three nations.  The game is utterly detached from the reality of World War 2 as are the motives of modern day collectors and folks who restore vehicles from that era.  They use authentic vehicles in marketing to show their target audience that the game is all about the vehicles.  They aren't trying to market and sell the game based on the standard emotional reaction most people have when they see World War 2 footage but rather their marketing is similar to what one might see a company do if they were trying to sell a flight sim.  They want their target audience to see the customization that players can use to alter their tanks within historical limits, the different types of strategy each tank class requires to play well, and the wide array of quality but generic (location wise) maps you can play on... sometimes you're in wide open fields in standard battle lines while in others you are in tight city streets fighting at extreme close range.  If you aren't a hobbyist I can understand why you feel the way you do, but you have completely misunderstood why they used authentic vehicles.

The way this is shot I was expecting Jeremy Clarkson at any moment.

Using a real Nazi tank as a promotional tool is in bad taste. Vapid, barely-dressed booth babes are posing beside a weapon that was probably assembled by starving slave labor, then used to advance the odious cause of a genocidal regime. How many lives were crushed by the soldiers who crewed this tank? Now it is used to sell product. Depicting Nazi vehicles in war games is acceptable, because it makes these simulations historically accurate. But using a real Nazi vehicle as a cheap marketing prop crosses the line.

How can it be a "nazi tank", last time I checked machines didn't have political conviction. Tanks are by design made to kill people, so by your logic using any tank as a promotional tool would be in bad taste.

I feel kind of dumb saying this but ... I don't know what this is and I've watched the video twice.

Am I alone here?

There are quite a few cool YouTube videos of this game being played by German fans.  They're interesting to watch even if you can't speak a word of German.  Lots of clan-vs-clan stuff.

WTF is up with the porn music in the background. Are they marketing this as tank porn because it sounded like I was watching a soft core flick.

I now know more about tanks then I ever wanted to.

@Detrian said:

@LocoDeLaCabasa said:

Using a real Nazi tank as a promotional tool is in bad taste. Vapid, barely-dressed booth babes are posing beside a weapon that was probably assembled by starving slave labor, then used to advance the odious cause of a genocidal regime. How many lives were crushed by the soldiers who crewed this tank? Now it is used to sell product. Depicting Nazi vehicles in war games is acceptable, because it makes these simulations historically accurate. But using a real Nazi vehicle as a cheap marketing prop crosses the line.

They also brought a soviet and american tank to E3, is that better? Besides, videogames lied to you, not all germans that lived and fought during ww2 were nazis.

true dat... the rest were zombies

Using a real Nazi tank as a promotional tool is in bad taste. Vapid, barely-dressed booth babes are posing beside a weapon that was probably assembled by starving slave labor, then used to advance the odious cause of a genocidal regime. How many lives were crushed by the soldiers who crewed this tank? Now it is used to sell product. Depicting Nazi vehicles in war games is acceptable, because it makes these simulations historically accurate. But using a real Nazi vehicle as a cheap marketing prop crosses the line.

But will it blend?

Using a real Nazi tank as a promotional tool is in bad taste. Vapid, barely-dressed booth babes are posing beside a weapon that was probably assembled by starving slave labor, then used to advance the odious cause of a genocidal regime. How many lives were crushed by the soldiers who crewed this tank? Now it is used to sell product. Depicting Nazi vehicles in war games is acceptable, because it makes these simulations historically accurate. But using a real Nazi vehicle as a cheap marketing prop crosses the line.

If I can have this:  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1500_Monster 
 
I will consider playing this game.

man this game is going to be really cool.

Using a real Nazi tank as a promotional tool is in bad taste. Vapid, barely-dressed booth babes are posing beside a weapon that was probably assembled by starving slave labor, then used to advance the odious cause of a genocidal regime. How many lives were crushed by the soldiers who crewed this tank? Now it is used to sell product. Depicting Nazi vehicles in war games is acceptable, because it makes these simulations historically accurate. But using a real Nazi vehicle as a cheap marketing prop crosses the line.

My MOS/Job with the USMC will likely involve tanks. So maybe I'll have to check this out :p

@Giantstalker said:

Hetzer's gonna Hetz

Seconded.

@EpicBenjamin said:

Kids love tanks.

I loved tanks, ...until I played that game.

Someone somewhere totally got off to this.

For a video of parking a vehicle on a trailer is usually mundane but involve a tank and that makes it better.

Does this video going up so late mean some later coverage, like a quick look? Because that would be rad.

Someone somewhere totally got off to this.

looks cool. looked at alice years ago but never got round to picking it up, im due a trade in might give it ago.

Mega Movers: Tank Edition

Talking bout treads.

Played the beta for this enjoyed it quiet a bit was refreshing. I may have to check it out since they know have US tanks.

Video is loaded with metal gears.