The Exiled Prince Wants You (To Spend $7)

Say all you want, but in the end, this is just EA trying to squeeze  some more money out  of their dedicated fanbase.
It's just fucking greedy... >.<

also im fine with giving content to people who actually buy the game not used and making it so if you wanna play the game online used you have to pay for a code since they dont make money off used games/rentals
 
but to take content out of the game by not preordering the game early is absolutely butt fuckingly retarded....

Punishing people who just want to buy the full game, boxed copy on release day is a GREAT way to build a pirate base for your game title.  Your secondary login servers aren't helping things either EA.  Making the game experience more annoying while punishing release day paying customers is bad business.

So basically this is like the Mass Effect 2 day one Cerberus Network stuff but it actually costs money? I think I'll pass.

" Hasn't this been known for quite awhile? You would get this character if you pre-ordered the Signature Edition, otherwise it would cost money. 
Why are people getting so upset about this now?  "

The whole "they have to work on DLC because the game is in certification!" theory is such a crock of shit.  It's a money grab and that's all there is to it.  Go work on the next game if you're done with this one - it seemed to work just fine until about 2 years ago. This started as soon as digital distribution became popular enough to support monetising trivial amounts of content in this way.
 
There are certain developers who should be above whoring out their products quite as brazenly as this game has been, and once upon a time Bioware would have been one of them.  I can't even imagine how bad TOR is gonna be with this stuff.

It was so NICE of EA/Bioware to provide this for free with a time limited preorder!
Before releasing any significant game footage (outside of one demonstration) and before putting out the demo.
You can feel how sure they are of the quality of their product.
 
/end sarcasm

" It was so NICE of EA/Bioware to provide this for free with a time limited preorder!Before releasing any significant game footage (outside of one demostration) and before putting out the demo. You can feel how sure they are of the quality of their product.  /end sarcasm "

" @MightyMayorMike said:

" Gotta say, pretty miffed about this only being free during such a small pre-order window. This game is an instant buy for me, but even if I pre-ordered right now I'd still be getting gigged on day one. "

Such a small pre-order window of three months... "

Day one DLC/On disc DLC.Thanks Bioware

There are certain developers who should be above whoring out their products quite as brazenly as this game has been, and once upon a time Bioware would have been one of them.  I can't even imagine how bad TOR is gonna be with this stuff. "

  http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  I REALLY hope this is just a stupid rumor... :( "

Wait a year, get a new release with all DLC content for half the price of the package. That's what I'll be doing.

Assuming it sells at least as well as DA:O, of course.

" @Gumby said:

  http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/12/09/star-wars-the-old-republic-to-be-microtransaction-based/  I REALLY hope this is just a stupid rumor... :( "

Please look at the date on this article before you go making assumptions. "

Pricing for Star Wars: The Old Republic will be determined and announced at a later date."
 From the official website! : O

" EA wants to become a bigger asshole than Activision... "

  @fl4tlined said:

"a companies main objective is to make money(especially after they sold there soul to EA)  theres no way this shit wasnt just cut out to sell it no fucking way its like everyone who thought reviewers wernt payed off then look where that happened shit i wouldnt be writing this if it wasnt for lamespots dumbassness (also giantbomb is 101% better ^_^!)  also quit standing up for this shit because your the reason they get away with it....I swear its like those episodes of cops where the redneck wife gets the shit kicked out of her by her husband every day but shes like i dont wanna press charges because i still love him "

" Wait a year, get a new release with all DLC content for half the price of the package. That's what I'll be doing. Assuming it sells at least as well as DA:O, of course. "

If we don't buy this, do we not get the character? That's a bit dickish, but whatever. My impression of the DA:O DLC was that it was all kind of shit anyway, so I'm not gonna bother worrying over this.  
 
If I can play the first game without Shale, I can play this game without Douchey McVengeancepants.

Well I already pre-ordered the signature edition so yay for free stuff! 
 
Looks pretty cool, I'm glad they brought back the Desire Demon.

"   @fl4tlined said:

"a companies main objective is to make money(especially after they sold there soul to EA)  theres no way this shit wasnt just cut out to sell it no fucking way its like everyone who thought reviewers wernt payed off then look where that happened shit i wouldnt be writing this if it wasnt for lamespots dumbassness (also giantbomb is 101% better ^_^!)  also quit standing up for this shit because your the reason they get away with it....I swear its like those episodes of cops where the redneck wife gets the shit kicked out of her by her husband every day but shes like i dont wanna press charges because i still love him "

Hahaha, wow. Either you're a troll or you're 5. Amazing.
 
You (and obviously many others) clearly didn't read my post in full. I very clearly stated that yes, companies can be greedy and exploitative of DLC in various ways and that it is absolutely bullshit in practice. However, those who are not intently looking to exploit the DLC system for this reason can also have legitimate logistical business reasoning with the way product development cycles work. Being in the software applications business myself, I have good experience with knowing the general process of how this life-cycle works. You cannot and do not put a box on the shelf the moment a group of programmers say "okay we're done". Therefore, making baseless claims that YO DAWG THEY JUST WANT YOUR MONEY is not always the case. Note the bolding on NOT ALWAYS. For you kids, this means "yes, sometimes and maybe even often", but NOT ALWAYS.    So unless everyone here has viable proof of a company that does in fact have in a business plan or has been seated in a meeting room where someone decidedly said "let's make this content at this specific point in time which can be easily put onto the disc, but instead put it aside and maliciously charge for it as paid DLC", I am reserving judgment and not pointing any fingers. I will make speculation and question, but I'm not acting like a lot of you guys are to the point of spreading unfounded and baseless accusations. Frankly, you're all acting like jerks and immature assholes for that. But of course, because you're probably either illiterate or only 5 years old, and the fact I'm trying to add a bit of sensible thought process and knowledge to a medium with an audience that cares very little for such things, you're probably not going to give a shit about anything I just said. Most likely nor will anyone with the same opinion as you, all while continuing to speak with total nonsense and without any realistic reason. "

I fucking love these asshat's that put out trailers for DLC before the FUCKING GAME IS EVEN OUT.
 
fuck you bio and FUCK YOU EA

yeah, people defending this forget that we barely saw anything of the game before that jan 11 release date, and preordering something based on like one video is fucking DUMB.

" yeah, people defending this forget that we barely saw anything of the game before that jan 11 release date, and preordering something based on like one video is fucking DUMB. "

i hate DLC now

Ahhh, remember when Warden's Keep came out day 1 for the first game? You people seem to have forgotten that they did this to you before. The difference is that at the very least some people get it for free. Like me.

" @fl4tlined: Why do you keep saying I'm defending Bioware? How can you not yet understand that I'm playing a neutral party in all this?  I'm simply saying that there are cases where this can be legitimate, and there are cases where it can be nickel and dime bullshit DLC as well. Yes, I know absolutely nothing about Bioware's production cycle, and frankly speaking, from what you've just said, that still doesn't prove anything.  You can still work on DLC after it's been announced as a pre-order bonus. Consequently, you can still work on a DLC package long before a prepared disc has gone gold. What I'm basically getting at is that just because they put out some teaser trailers for a DLC and announce it as a pre-order bonus, and even further announce that a game has gone gold, it still doesn't mean that a DLC package could be 100% finished yet before that process.   I'm 100% aware that I could be completely wrong about this in specifics to Dragonage 2, but like I said, unless any of you officially work for Bioware or something and have official production cycle details to dish, you're just making very bold assumptions, rather than questioning for reason and truth. If you want to provide me with official "Bioware executive forum posts" please do. The writing and coherence in your own posts is incredibly hard to read because your grammar is so poor, so I'd much rather see a "Bioware executive" write a post about it to get a better idea of what you're attempting to say. "

Launch day DLC is just more proof they don't care about you or the game, they just want your money.

 The Exiled Prince wants you (to wait untill Dragon Age 2 is at least $53)

I'll just wait for the GOTY edition in a year or so.

" @fl4tlined:  Because sparing out very specific details like product development timelines and projected dates and other related business resource allocation is supposed to remain entirely confidential from the public. 
 
Releasing out those kinds of details have very dire effects on a business. We're talking about things like business, investor, and market relationships. On a level that everyone can understand, It's the very same idea why you put an embargo on specifics about a game like when it's coming out, or even if a game is being worked on at all. It's also why it's such a big deal when information gets leaked. Protection of business interests and expectation management is incredibly important for just that.
 
While yes, I believe that an honest business can typically be very open and honest in a perfect world, it simply doesn't work that way in reality when you have business relationships as large as EA, or even Bioware itself which is not a small company either. 
 
Like many have said in the past, it's good that fans like yourself (and even myself) can be passionate about a company and their video games. But so quickly do people turn their backs on the very company and the games they are a fan of, when really you should be inquiring and making sure you ask the right questions to get all the facts before pointing your finger and putting down the blame right away. "

Must not be important if it isn't included with the main game. I'm so done with DLC.

"Grrrr!  Because they did this, I am cancelling my pre-order because of this and vow to never play this game!" 
Get over yourselves.  I agree its pretty greedy and dumb they did this, but it doesn't take away from the game.  Just play without it.  I play plenty of games without getting the DLC because the actual game is worth it.  Extras really aren't that important because you can enjoy the game without them.  Screw EA, but the people who act as quoted annoy me to no end.  So full of themselves that this game isn't deserving of them and that anyone cares about hearing about it.  Enjoy what BioWare made instead of complaining about what their bosses did.  Don't let it ruin the hard work they put forth.

Do any of you have any proof that this was done before the game was finished, and that they didn't start working on it after they completed the game?

If I have some points lying around I will get it.

I would have no trouble with this if it was for those who bought a new copy (as was done with DA:O and ME2). This however, required you to pre-order the game two months in advance when there was no gameplay footage out there. I mean, I'm a huge Bioware fan, but even I don't go pre-ordering all their stuff without at least seeing what the game actually looks like. I pre-ordered 2 weeks in advance and I get a sword and a shield, woop-di-fucking-doo. This is just a dick move, no matter how you look at it. 

Game releases are often content locked months in advance of their release, and releasing early DLC gives the dev team something to do after the game is complete.   It's a shame you're going to deny yourself the ability to play what will be a fantastic game, based on nothing more than a fundamental lack of understanding for how game development works. - Scott "

uh huh

I'm really glad I preordered this game a month ago, but according to EA, not early enough to deserve this fucking content for free.  Thanks for the arbitrary date that required blind faith in the product and punishing me for being a somewhat careful consumer (though preordering in general is a risky proposition). 
 
I'm glad that I preordered a week or two after that day so I could still pay the $7 dollar fee for an entire character, which is a reasonable amount of content to restrict from your consumers. /sarcasm 
 
I can completely get behind the "used gamer" DLC charges, but all of this exclusive content and pre-order bonus bullshit and Day 1 paid DLC is infuriating.

 In Mass Effect 2, I had very little opportunity to use Kasumi outside of her Stolen Memory loyalty mission. I had already beaten the game twice within the first month of the game's release. Her mission was great, but I wasn't going to play through the entire game again for her sake. It wasn't until the Overlord and the Shadow Broker DLC came out that I had a new opportunities to take her out of her box again.

As for Sebastian, I'd prefer to have him available at launch so I can experience the campaign with him in my party. If he didn't come out for months after launch, I'd probably never use him. That said, it's unfortunate that he isn't free with all new copies of the game like Shale was. Having the DLC be free only to SE preorders feels more like they're punishing the indecisive than they're rewarding the faithful.

" @Laketown said:

" yeah, people defending this forget that we barely saw anything of the game before that jan 11 release date, and preordering something based on like one video is fucking DUMB. "

Unless you're an RPG fan, and BioWare's developing. Fact. "

" @Vaile said:

" @Laketown said:

" yeah, people defending this forget that we barely saw anything of the game before that jan 11 release date, and preordering something based on like one video is fucking DUMB. "

Unless you're an RPG fan, and BioWare's developing. Fact. "

Unless you've played Jade Empire, or were concerned by all the changes they said they were making, or had read any of the Origins developers' comments about how they had to leave the team for the sequel because they didn't have faith with the series' "new vision". Fact. "

This behavior shouldn't surprise anyone, as long as people keep paying for DLC why would they not keep making it and charging for it? And what better way to reach all of the people buying the game than to announce it before release rather than after 50% of the people who bought it beat the game and lose interest?

The character movement looks more natural.

So this will cost money even for us who pre-ordered the signature edition? 
 
EDIT: I googled it and found that people who pre-ordered it before the deadline in January will get it for free =) I usually never pre-order games, but this time it was worth it. Also I pre-ordered from a place that won't charge you anything until they actually ship the product. I wound never pay months before I get the product."

probably like last time you can downoad the dlcs from bioware and just enable the dlc in the settings xml or whatever. free dlc!

They did say when they were promoting the Signature Edition pre-order that one of the bonuses would be an additional character and associated missions.