Is the main thing Xbox one need is a price cut?

#1 Posted by Starfishhunter9 (369 posts) -

I wasa reflecting on the ps4 vs xbone debate and I think the main disadvantage of the xbox one was that xbone costs more while being graphically worse for multiplatfrom titles. If it were 50-100 dollars cheaper it would be so much better than currently. With some more exclusives/games announced (halo 5, destiny, etc) I think xbox one could be a great console.

#2 Edited by SomeDeliCook (2341 posts) -

I think part of it is people are fed up with all the crap that has been going on with 360 over the years (ads for a paid service, having to pay to use apps like Netflix, the complete joke of a login security that stops some people from ever logging in correctly (me for example)) but they are too deep into it already that they can't just simply switch to a PS3

However, the new consoles mean a new start, and when Xbox One was shown as going more into a direction the majority didn't want, they went with the PS4 who welcomed them all in open arms. At this point, Sony would have to do some very heinous things and Microsoft would have to do amazing stuff to switch it around. Once you have a few negatives against you that blow up, you have A LOT of healing to do.

#3 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -

So the answer is "yes" then?

It will certainly help. The PS3's price cut helped. The 3DS's price cut helped. Though that one had the ambassador program as well.

It couldn't hurt at least. Unless you're making a Kinect game. Then it will probably hurt.

My answer is yes. Probably.

#4 Edited by onyxghost (309 posts) -

It still comes down to one real question.

Halo or Killzone?

I'm all in on Halo. So, I bought an Xbox One first. I have PS plus, a PS3 and a Vita. One day I'll pick up a PS4 with my digital pile of games but, I still answered Halo.

Third party games all look the same to me. So, nothing is really gained or lost there.

#5 Posted by xyzygy (10008 posts) -

It definitely wouldn't help, but the steps they've been taking since launch is hinting at a different, more fan oriented Xbox. And I think that is where they need to improve the most. Pretty much all recent news to come from Xbox in the past few months has been stellar and it looks to have no sign of slowing down. I seriously think Phil Spencer has a lot to do with this.

#6 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -

@onyxghost said:

It still comes down to one real question.

Halo or Killzone?

You're safe and sound now, back in good old 2005.

#7 Posted by Starfishhunter9 (369 posts) -

Sony has more exclusives/better exclusives ATM. Another reason why the xbox costing more is unreasonable.

#8 Posted by csl316 (8772 posts) -

It has to kill it on the exclusive front if the PS4 becomes the go-to system for multiplatform games.

Previous generations, the more powerful system didn't always become the primary one for people (see PS2 vs. Xbox OG). Seems once you're in an ecosystem, that'll be your main.

Since the PS4 is more powerful, had better early PR, and it was $100 cheaper for 6 months, it could've gained enough traction to have gotten a lot of hardcore fans to commit to PSN this generation.

Hopefully this E3 makes both systems worth picking up for me, but I'm in deep on the PSN side now (mostly due to PS+ working between 3 platforms).

#9 Posted by shinjin977 (762 posts) -

@csl316 said:

It has to kill it on the exclusive front if the PS4 becomes the go-to system for multiplatform games.

Previous generations, the more powerful system didn't always become the primary one for people (see PS2 vs. Xbox OG). Seems once you're in an ecosystem, that'll be your main.

Since the PS4 is more powerful, had better early PR, and it was $100 cheaper for 6 months, it could've gained enough traction to have gotten a lot of hardcore fans to commit to PSN this generation.

Hopefully this E3 makes both systems worth picking up for me, but I'm in deep on the PSN side now (mostly due to PS+ working between 3 platforms).

I am just going to second this. It is not the "main" thing it needs but a price cut is definitely one of the most important thing it needs. That and a lot of good will coming back MS side. That is a much harder and much longer road.

#10 Edited by Korolev (1709 posts) -

It just needs an exclusive game I'm interested in. I have a great PC and a PS4 (which was a gift). I wouldn't have got the PS4 either, right now, but a gift is a gift and I intended to get one eventually. The honest truth of the matter is that neither platform had any game I was terribly interested in right now that I couldn't get for the PC, and if I can get it for the PC I'm gonna get it for the PC.

I am glad that I have a PS4, since I am interested in the games that are coming to it - games like the next Uncharted game, for example. I don't know yet of any Xbox One exclusives that I am interested in - I'm not a fan of the Halo franchise, I don't like Forza either.... if they announced a new Gears game, I'd probably pick up an Xbox One.

A price cut would help, sure, but it's the lack of interesting exclusives that prevent me from buying it. If I got one... I couldn't think of anything I'd actually like to play on it, right now.

#11 Posted by Lnin0 (156 posts) -

The main think it is missing is porn. More people would buy it if it came with porn.

#12 Posted by HerbieBug (4212 posts) -

I dunno about what the Bone needs in an empirical sense but for me to consider it I would require the following:

moar games I wanna play relative to the competition

fixed UI. Massive overhaul.

I'm still seething over the RROD thing with their previous console so even if the Bone and PS4 were equivalent value from my own perspective I would still go with Sony out of spite and distrust. The Bone would have to be clearly better and cheaper for that to change.

#13 Edited by MonkeyKing1969 (2820 posts) -

The main thing Xbox One needs is______________.

....Its an attitude adjustment and an appology to the diehard fans. Some say that have done this but really they haven't. When Sony screwed up with PS3 its took two years but in the end they said, 'We are sorry' and 'Our customers matter and we never want to lose sight of that again'. That is something Sony has been far better about Since 2009. Yes, issues have arouse like the date loss where PSN was down for 28 days, but each time they said"sorry" and bowed to the crowed like they REALLY were sorry.

When someone wrongs you or hurts your relationship with them you don't say, "We heard you." That is nearly the worst thing you can say first, because what people want to hear is SORRY. They want Microsoft to say, "We made mistakes and those are not mistakes we take lightly because those mistakes were hurtful to our biggest fans and strongest supporters" Because what "We heard you sounds like is, "It's over...so STFU about what we did! Let's move on."

No Phil Spencer lets not move on. Lets get you out on stage to say, "We are sorry, we are trying hard to earn your trust, and we want your trust because that is what were are here for - for you." That will be total BS, but at least he says it. He can't say, "Not on my watch" because we honestly don't care it not his appology, he is just the person who must give it because Don Mattrick is gone.

It's not the cost, it's not the Kinect, it's not only showing games on a show floor. They need to stand out on that stage put on a serious face and apologize like they are about to cry. After that they won't have problems, that damn Xbox One will sell just fine. But they need a mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa – "through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault" speech on stage.

#14 Posted by Pr1mus (3936 posts) -

In Canada is sort of had one already since they didn't increase the price after the Canadian dollar fell. The kinectless model is actually 50$ cheaper than a PS4 at the moment.

#16 Posted by Pr1mus (3936 posts) -
#17 Posted by Gaff (1773 posts) -
#18 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@pr1mus said:

@video_game_king: Is the console not out in Japan yet?

On the one hand, oh shit, you're right. On the other hand, is the Xbox One's library different enough from the PS4's that it can avoid the problems that console has faced in Japan?

#19 Posted by Pr1mus (3936 posts) -

@pr1mus said:

@video_game_king: Is the console not out in Japan yet?

On the one hand, oh shit, you're right. On the other hand, is the Xbox One's library different enough from the PS4's that it can avoid the problems that console has faced in Japan?

No.

Not only is it too similar to change anything, most of their exclusive seem even less appealing to the Japanese audience than Sony's...

#20 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@pr1mus:

Then it seems we're in agreement. Hooray for weak premises reaching strong conclusions. Suck it, logic!

#21 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

I think everything is fine now. Microsoft has righted the wrongs. The thing is, I have a PS4 and am happy with it. I don't need an Xbox One. So what they need to do is make me need it, and with games like Forza Horizon 2 and Below, they're well on track to winning me over.

So yeah, Xbox One is fine.

#22 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4826 posts) -

@video_game_king said:

lol. No.

They've tried that with two other consoles, even going so far as to nab THE GUCH to create RPGs solely for the 360. It backfired horribly. While we got Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey and a bunch of other JRPGs out of the deal, the 360 did horrible business in Japan.

Japan has no interest in an American manufactured and made console. That's pretty much all there is to it.

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#23 Posted by carlthenimrod (1594 posts) -

Xbone is fine. Microsoft is in a much better spot than Sony as a whole.

2-3 years from now the Xbone will probably cost $300 and at the very least have a library that consists of new Halo and Gears.

Yeah, it will be fine.

#24 Edited by egg (1469 posts) -

the MAIN thing Xbone needs is PC gamepad support for all games

rich ppl can always justify paying more and if you're happy with a product then it technically doesn't matter how much you paid. But so long as Xbox one is restricted to one controller (even 360 controllers dont work with it) then nobody should buy it.

if ms actually did this then it would instantly become the better next gen system. but I guess MS does not like to have an edge against sony and wants to lose against PS4

#25 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
#26 Edited by EkajArmstro (389 posts) -

There needs to be a single exclusive that I want to play which looks like it won't happen in the foreseeable future.

#27 Posted by Humanity (9385 posts) -

@egg said:

the MAIN thing Xbone needs is PC gamepad support for all games

rich ppl can always justify paying more and if you're happy with a product then it technically doesn't matter how much you paid. But so long as Xbox one is restricted to one controller (even 360 controllers dont work with it) then nobody should buy it.

if ms actually did this then it would instantly become the better next gen system. but I guess MS does not like to have an edge against sony and wants to lose against PS4

What are you even talking about..

#28 Posted by Gargantuan (1882 posts) -

First of all they should release the damn thing in Scandinavia!

#29 Edited by EXTomar (4772 posts) -

@oldirtybearon said:

@video_game_king said:

lol. No.

They've tried that with two other consoles, even going so far as to nab THE GUCH to create RPGs solely for the 360. It backfired horribly. While we got Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey and a bunch of other JRPGs out of the deal, the 360 did horrible business in Japan.

Japan has no interest in an American manufactured and made console. That's pretty much all there is to it.

Or the simpler answer is that the consoles are all in decline. The American one included.

#30 Posted by egg (1469 posts) -

@humanity: Xbone makes you pay 50 dollars to get a 2ns controller instead of letting you use the one from the 360. (even though the 360 and One controllers both work with PC) Furthermore the One forces you to play with assymetrical sticks and you can't even remap the controls.

#31 Posted by Humanity (9385 posts) -

@egg said:

@humanity: Xbone makes you pay 50 dollars to get a 2ns controller instead of letting you use the one from the 360. (even though the 360 and One controllers both work with PC) Furthermore the One forces you to play with assymetrical sticks and you can't even remap the controls.

But.. the Xbox brand has distinguished itself by having a controller with asymmetrical sticks for the past 8 years now - so even if you could plug in the pads from a 360 this would not solve your issue.

Furthermore, consoles have not allowed cross-generation controller swapping for the past 3 generations now. PS1 pads were not compatible with PS2's, PS2 pads were not compatible with PS3's and not surprisingly PS3 pads are not compatible with PS4's.

This is all stating the very obvious so I was wondering if there is some secret method to your madness or have you just gotten out of a cryo chamber this week or something - in which case where can you get a cryo chamber because good games are not coming out for another 5 months.

#32 Edited by egg (1469 posts) -

@humanity:

- 360 pads would at least accomplish two things, 1) it would give you a 2nd controller without having to buy one, 2) it would make it so Microsoft is no longer a blatant money grubbing douchebag forcing us to pay for things we already have and making their system worse in the process

-PS1 pads were compatible with PS2. gg mother****er!!

#33 Edited by egg (1469 posts) -

"this is all obvious" well of course its obvious or else we would not be turning a blind eye to it. Right now paid online and 30 fps is obvious. Obviously its obvious, my point is that it SHOULDN'T BE OBVIOUS. We've let some things become obvious that we perhaps shouldn't have (e.g. random encounters) and unfortunately once something becomes obvious it becomes becomes unrealistic to see it retracted.

Three things happened since NES launched. 1) console manufacturers stopped redesigning the controls from gen to gen, 2) controllers from different companies started to become effectively interchangeable, 3) controllers came to use non proprietary controller ports such as USB or a wireless signal

But its too late to change! Why would they stop now! This is the console industry that's, how it worked, it is "obvious". And as a result the console industry in itself has become a console

and mind you it is only obvious to us. Nongamers presumably would have no reason to know any of this since keyboards/mice are interchangeable, flash media is interchangeable, and the chargers for their phones all use micro USB

#34 Posted by Humanity (9385 posts) -

@egg said:

@humanity:

- 360 pads would at least accomplish two things, 1) it would give you a 2nd controller without having to buy one, 2) it would make it so Microsoft is no longer a blatant money grubbing douchebag forcing us to pay for things we already have and making their system worse in the process

-PS1 pads were compatible with PS2. gg mother****er!!

MY mistake, over 9 years ago you could have used an older controller with a new console - an older controller that lacked pressure sensitive face buttons which were important in some later PS2 games like Metal Gear Solid for instance.

At least Microsoft let you use their 360 pads on the PC whereas Playstation never afforded you that luxury - and they currently have just integrated XBO pad compatibility with the PC as well.

No offense, as you seem completely reasonable and respectful of others, but your complaints seem a little childish and detached from reality.

#35 Posted by egg (1469 posts) -

ps2 had pressure sensitive bullshit but it STILL supported ps1 pads.

People make the point that PS4 had touchpad gimmick of the week and that's why ps4 doesn't support ps3 pads, and that should be "obvious". (there's that word again) How can people be so wrong? Think. Xbone foes not have touchpad. It does not work with 360 controllers. Think. THINK!! Sony had specifically put a touchpad gimmick on their controller for the sole purpose of making us pay 50 dollars for a 2nd one, but it was all for naught, since MS did the same and didn't even bring a signed note from his parents.

I'm pretty sure PS pads are used on PC.

fact I Google " can ps3 controller be used on PC" just now and guess what, you can. Strike two!!

#36 Posted by AlecOfTheWest (279 posts) -

More exclusives, which could be said for both mainstream consoles. They both look pretty shitty right now, tbh.

#37 Edited by pcorb (113 posts) -

@egg: Actually, the original playstation controller didn't work at all with most PS2 games, as it lacked analogue sticks entirely.

#38 Posted by Bremaine (61 posts) -

I think the Xbox One without kinect is going to get me the console even sooner. I would love for them to lower it to $300 to make gamers go insane, but that's most likely not going to happen for quite some time.

#39 Posted by egg (1469 posts) -

@pcorb said:

@egg: Actually, the original playstation controller didn't work at all with most PS2 games, as it lacked analogue sticks entirely.

I am referring to the dual shock PS1 controller. But whether or not they work with most games is sort of irrelevant. If anything, the fewer games it worked with, the more my argument benefits. Because what we have are two new-gen "gaming" consoles which are cock blocking even those controllers that actually DO have analog sticks and which would work with basically 100 percent of their games. (100 percent on Xbox One because no touchpad, whereas around 97 percent on PS4 because touchpad)

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