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Sources: The Upgraded PlayStation 4 is Codenamed NEO, Contains Upgraded CPU, GPU, RAM

Though the NEO will offer greater visual fidelity than the original PS4, Sony is taking measures not to split their user base in two.

It is not confirmed whether or not the NEO can stop bullets. I'm sorry for this very easy joke, it's been a long day.
It is not confirmed whether or not the NEO can stop bullets. I'm sorry for this very easy joke, it's been a long day.

Earlier this year, rumors began to fly that Sony would release an upgraded version of the PlayStation 4, a console often called the PS4.5 or the PS4K by fans and press. Today, multiple sources have confirmed for us details of the project, which is internally referred to as the NEO. No price was provided, but previous reports indicate that the NEO would sell at $399. At time of publishing, Sony has not returned our request for comment, but we will update this story if the company responds.

The NEO will feature a higher clock speed than the original PS4, an improved GPU, and higher bandwidth on the memory. The documents we've received note that the HDD in the NEO is the same as that in the original PlayStation 4, but it's not clear if that means in terms of capacity or connection speed. Starting in October, every PS4 game is required to ship with both a “Base Mode” which will run on the currently available PS4 and a “NEO Mode” for use on the new console.

Original PS4NEO
CPU8 Jaguar Cores at 1.6 GHz8 Jaguar Cores at 2.1 GHz
GPUAMD GCN, 18 CUs at 800 MHzImproved AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz
Memory8 GB GDDR5, 176 GB/s8 GB GDDR5, 218 GB/s

Games running in NEO mode will be able to use the hardware upgrades (and an additional 512 MiB in the memory budget) to offer increased and more stable frame rate and higher visual fidelity, at least when those games run at 1080p on HDTVs. The NEO will also support 4K image output, but games themselves are not required to be 4K native.

In the documents we’ve received, Sony offers suggestions for reaching 4K/UltraHD resolutions for NEO mode game builds, but they're also giving developers a degree of freedom with how to approach this. 4K TV owners should expect the NEO to upscale games to fit the format, but one place Sony is unwilling to bend is on frame rate. Throughout the documents, Sony repeatedly reminds developers that the frame rate of games in NEO Mode must meet or exceed the frame rate of the game on the original PS4 system.

Sadly, I doubt that the NEO will be anywhere near as cute as this.
Sadly, I doubt that the NEO will be anywhere near as cute as this.

The NEO will not supplant the current PS4, but will exist alongside of it and use the same user environment. The PS4 and NEO will use the same PSN store, connect to the same online communities, and offer the same user experience, so expect to see the same cross media bar that you’re used to. Players will be able to retain all of the purchases they made on the PS4.

Sony seems committed to keeping the NEO and the original PS4 player bases connected. As such, there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN. Likewise, Sony explicitly and repeatedly states that developers cannot offer exclusive gameplay options or special unlockables for NEO players—so don’t expect NEO owners to get a level editor or a special Rocket League car that you won’t have access to on your original PS4. That said, so long as both systems have the same feature, the NEO can run an improved version. A local co-op game that features four players on the base PS4 could offer an eight player co-op mode on the NEO, for instance. But again, don't expect those differences to transfer to online modes.

PS4 Base and NEO versions of a game will also need to have parity with regard to peripheral support. So don’t expect NEO Games to have exclusive VR modes. Sony makes no mention of PlayStation VR in the docs we've seen, so it's hard to know what that means for the persistent rumors that this upgraded PS4 will be able to support PSVR without the "breakout box" that the headset ships with. That said, so long as the NEO's upgrades apply to PSVR games, developers should be able to get even more performance out of Sony's VR headset.

Fallout 4 is one game of many that could benefit from the NEO... if Bethesda is willing to put in the work.
Fallout 4 is one game of many that could benefit from the NEO... if Bethesda is willing to put in the work.

Though every PS4 game released as of October of this year will need to support both the original PS4 and the NEO, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the Neo will release in October. Additionally, games released in the late September window will require a day one patch that updates them to NEO standards. The documents we’ve received explicitly note that devs are allowed to launch NEO-ready games before the NEO itself releases.

Games released previous to the NEO can take advantage of this hardware upgrade, but only if developers decide to patch their titles. That isn’t too surprising: This was never going to be a magical “upgrade” device. I'm curious to see if any developers will take advantage of the NEO to improve previous PS4 releases. (I would certainly appreciate it if Bethesda would give the NEO-treatment to Fallout 4).

All of this is pretty well in line with early reports and rumors. A recent Digital Foundry report outlined the likely limits of an upgraded PS4, and the info we've received from sources seems in line with those findings.

I'm happy that Sony will take steps to keep the PS4 and NEO users connected, and that they are setting strict guidelines for developers. There's a chance that will help to keep the user base unified despite new hardware entering the market. This could be a hard sell to those users who only recently purchased a PS4 if there isn't an upgrade path made available to them. At the same time, this could pave the way to drop the original PS4 price even further, offering cheaper access to a really solid console. In any case, I'm hopeful that Sony can make this work. Expect more details to emerge over the coming weeks.

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But how does Kaz keep in touch?

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Is this a hot Giant Bomb scoop? I haven't heard anything about this thing being called Neo anywhere.

*edit: it seems I somehow completely skipped the first paragraph. Oops. Hot scoops at Giant Bomb!

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Hmmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmm

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if you didnt have that neo picture i was going to be disappointed

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So this is literally DSi or New 3DS for PS4

Was hoping for actually added module for PS4 instead.

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Morpheus and Neo, nice one Sony.

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I'm totally okay with this assuming I can pay a fee (50-100 dollars seem reasonable) to send in my existing PS4 and get a new one sent back.

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Scoooooooooooooooooops.. wait what?

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Hot Scoops! This is a lot of detail, I feel like Austin got to see some actual documentation. I'm glad that Sony is taking this seriously, and doesn't seem to be abandoning the original PS4 owners

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I'll wait for the Bogus Journey PS5.

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Outscooped Scoops?!? Great work Austin!

Sony has been safe and smart when it came to hardware this generation. It is good that they are not entertaining the idea of splitting a userbase that already has tens of millions in it.

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Will there be plan for existing ps4 owners to trade in for a NEO. Obviously there would be a cost associated with it but I think I would be willing to pay for an upgrade (depending on the price, of course)

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Scoops!... Er.... Austin!

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Austin "King of Scoop Style" Walker

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That's great that the GPU will have double the compute units, but, it's still going to be a 3-gen old GPU by the time it launches. Horsepower is great, but, I'd still be hesitant to call it anywhere near a mid-range GPU once the new nVidia GPU's launch this fall.

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Typo in the memory bandwidth on the neo? Probably should be 28.

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Is that memory bandwidth spec a typo? If not, holy crap! Also, looks like it's more than doubling the GPU power. This thing is gonna kinda rock!

Edit:original spec was a typo haha.

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Sold my PS4 and broke even last month after the scent of this was in the wind. Glad I trusted my gut.

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Ho-lee crap

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Not to be outdone by Patrick. Austin is in there!

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Congrats on the scoop. No talk about 4k (UHD) blu ray support? Or is that a given?

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I just bought a PS4 in January, so I very much hope that this is the route they're taking. If they have to upgrade, don't alienate existing users.

On the other side of the coin, I really can't see a whole mess of people being so unhappy with their PS4s that they rush out to get a NEO. Doesn't anyone who cares that much about the visual fidelity of their games already have a PC anyway?

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218 gb/s?

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The next 12 months of this industry are going to be absolutely insane.

PS NEO. XBox >One. NX.

I'm ready for the E3 Hype Train.

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This is a lot less scary than we thought. It seems like it’s a gentle way to support 4K going forward. I just ended up with a 4K TV this year, and man, 1080p games just don't cut it. It's so weird.

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I just want to know if there is a good upgrade path for existing PS4 owners? It would suck if Sony charged full price for the NEO when so many people already spent a lot of money buying the original PS4. One of the big stories of the past holiday season was how Sony was able to sell a lot of PS4s.

And based on the stats of the NEO, the system should be able to run all 1080p based games at 60FPS, or at least the 30FPS games shouldn't have any drops like Digital Foundary and other testers have been able to expose as recently as the FFXV Platinum demo.

A good upgrade path is all I need to get on board.

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Pretty big jump in ram speed. But I know little in terms of tech, so I have no idea what that means in the long run for games. Clock speed of the CPU didn't go up that much though. It'll be interesting to see games that support this SKU. Worried it might cause a split though.

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I can't imagine this will make any bigger ripples than releasing a "slim" version did in the past.

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DR SCOOPS IN DA HOUSE!

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Dr.Walker is on the case

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@commieninja: Yeah the people looking for the top of line graphics already own stuff like a pc with 3 graphics cards (which my friend totally did on an uber salary. No shit)

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Congrats on the hot exclusive story. Patrick Klepwho? There's a new Scoops in town.

Hard drive news is disappointing since PS4 hard drive sucks, but I suppose it will be replaceable.

What I'd really like is better wifi. PS4 wifi is terrible.

Am I in on one of these? Heck yeah. I would love an upgraded PS4.

Is this a good idea? It is NOT. Watch those 'legacy' PS4 modes be borderline unplayable in a couple years with terrible frame rates and other problems. Meanwhile watch people with Neos feel irritated when the PS5 hits in 2018.

Sony, your console was selling like crazy. Splintering the base and making your current purchasers feel like they have an inferior system is...well...I'll say it. It's a Sega move.

Edit: Should we call Austin Newps (New+Scoops) New Scoops (same) or Scoops Two (like Mew Two but a vidya game newsman instead of a pokymans?)

Scoops 2.0 is kinda boring.

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Good work Austin sounds awesome!

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I'm down.

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Scoops

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I can't really put my finger on why, but I'm really not a fan of this.

There's just something about this that makes me really hesitant to believe that existing users aren't going to end up getting a degraded experience as more time passes, especially given that games are already not being greatly optimized for the current machines in many cases.

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If there's a significant trade-in program, I might be on board. I wonder what kind of framerate improvements we're talking here. If we're talking from 30 to 60, then I'm definitely getting a NEO. The lack of 60 fps games on PS4 has been disappointing to me.

(And before people say "just get a PC": no. I don't have the time or patience for PC gaming anymore. I can care about 60 fps AND prefer consoles over PC.)

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I feel for people that don't have a lot of money to throw around, but I would be completely ok with both Sony and Microsoft moving to a hardware cycle where the PS4 and Xone are just the platform from here on out, and they release an updated version every three years or so. I don't know how that would affect developers, though - in three years, when you're developing a game for the third iteration of the Xone, how much of a burden is it to create a game that runs acceptably on three different versions of the Xone (not to mention the PC and however many iterations there are of the PS4)?

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Bad Bad move, if true.

Bad Bad.

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Austin "Scoops" Walker!

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@mcmax3000: Its understandable to be skeptical about this cause we are kind of entering uncharted waters when it comes to the console market. I think that I will be cool with it if they have some sort of upgrade path for previous ps4 owners.

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I wonder what this turns the lifecycle into, you have to imagine whenever the "Agent Smith" is released they will stop the requirement for games to run on the original PS4. Curious if that is a few years from now or much further? Eventually they almost have to do that right?

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If there's a fair trade-in thing, I'll consider it. Though with my old 720p TV, if it's just for 4k then nope. Curious if this would lead to some N64 expansion pack business for some extra maps and textures.

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@austin_walker: The memory row of that comparison chart is missing a digit, original PS4 should be 176 GB/s

edit welp already corrected disregard!

other than that, what the FUCK is going on in the console market???

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Replace the word "PS4" with "Vita" and I'd be in to upgrade.

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Scoops.. Is that you?