Girl fined for beating attacker

@Th3_James said:

I feel that if you are attacked unprovoked you should be allowed to defend yourself and kill that person for their mistake.  Shit needs to me more intense, none of this jail time bullshit, just shot to the head or fed to crocodiles while having it live streamed around the world.  Would save taxpayers money.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

@Th3_James said:

I feel that if you are attacked unprovoked you should be allowed to defend yourself and kill that person for their mistake.  Shit needs to me more intense, none of this jail time bullshit, just shot to the head or fed to crocodiles while having it live streamed around the world.  Would save taxpayers money.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

@Axxol said:

@Th3_James said:

I feel that if you are attacked unprovoked you should be allowed to defend yourself and kill that person for their mistake.  Shit needs to me more intense, none of this jail time bullshit, just shot to the head or fed to crocodiles while having it live streamed around the world.  Would save taxpayers money.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Of course not. Do you know how much it costs to run a jail? Feeding a crocodile just costs $200 a day! This would save taxpayers a croc-load of money.

@arab_prince said:

@Axxol said:

@Th3_James said:

I feel that if you are attacked unprovoked you should be allowed to defend yourself and kill that person for their mistake.  Shit needs to me more intense, none of this jail time bullshit, just shot to the head or fed to crocodiles while having it live streamed around the world.  Would save taxpayers money.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Of course not. Do you know how much it costs to run a jail? Feeding a crocodile just costs $200 a day! This would save taxpayers a croc-load of money.

not if were feeding them convicts.

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@HitmanAgent47 said:

@Fajita_Jim: Maybe other family members of mine were gansters, even if he's not one his friends are. He's legit now, but I have talked to gangs before, but only in canada. Perhaps it's more lax in canada because they usually mind their own business if you don't bother them. But in the u.s, I suppose those things can happen. But if your attacked by them, if you don't overly hurt them and get away and run, i'm sure they will say ah fuck it, let's go after someone else. I'm not sure about new york and stuff, those places seems very violent.

Gangs around here don't give a shit. They'll come to your house if they have 'unfinished business', like if you just knocked one of them out.

Do you live in Deadwood?

The question of where I live have already been answered in detail. You either:  A: Didn't read it, or... B: Didn't comprehend what you read.  I'm guessing B.

I think you think you live somewhere more dangerous than it really is. Just saying.

Want to feel like an ass? The next city over is Knoxville and we are actually included in the metro statistical area, so these stats include us as well:

Knoxville Crime Statistics.

   Now, fuck off. For real this time.

@Axxol said:

@Th3_James said:

I feel that if you are attacked unprovoked you should be allowed to defend yourself and kill that person for their mistake.  Shit needs to me more intense, none of this jail time bullshit, just shot to the head or fed to crocodiles while having it live streamed around the world.  Would save taxpayers money.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Of course not. Do you know how much it costs to run a jail? Feeding a crocodile just costs $200 a day! This would save taxpayers a croc-load of money.

Alligators, being indigenous to the United States, would be a better choice.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@HitmanAgent47 said:

@Fajita_Jim: Maybe other family members of mine were gansters, even if he's not one his friends are. He's legit now, but I have talked to gangs before, but only in canada. Perhaps it's more lax in canada because they usually mind their own business if you don't bother them. But in the u.s, I suppose those things can happen. But if your attacked by them, if you don't overly hurt them and get away and run, i'm sure they will say ah fuck it, let's go after someone else. I'm not sure about new york and stuff, those places seems very violent.

Gangs around here don't give a shit. They'll come to your house if they have 'unfinished business', like if you just knocked one of them out.

Do you live in Deadwood?

The question of where I live have already been answered in detail. You either:  A: Didn't read it, or... B: Didn't comprehend what you read.  I'm guessing B.

I think you think you live somewhere more dangerous than it really is. Just saying.

Want to feel like an ass? The next city over is Knoxville and we are actually included in the metro statistical area, so these stats include us as well:

Knoxville Crime Statistics.

   Now, fuck off. For real this time.

Wow, you must be the only one who's ever lived in a city, bro.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

Yeah, like I'm going to check their Alpha Brain Wave pattern or run my fist across their sternum to see if they're faking.   Fuck off.

 Or walk backwards.... jeeze you're so angry. 

I'm angry because you're an idiot. You say walk backwards...someone else already suggested that and I gave a response. What was my response? If you had read the thread, YOU WOULD KNOW.  Dumbass.

If I read all 195 replies in which 80 percent consisted of you being irrationally mad and calling someone names I might have an aneurysm. 

@Fajita_Jim said:

Is there something inherently funny about the numerals 1 and 4, or collectively as the number 14?

Funny AND sad actually. You punched a 14 year old. Amazing. Really says a lot about you and makes sense of your responses here.

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

Yeah, like I'm going to check their Alpha Brain Wave pattern or run my fist across their sternum to see if they're faking.   Fuck off.

 Or walk backwards.... jeeze you're so angry. 

I'm angry because you're an idiot. You say walk backwards...someone else already suggested that and I gave a response. What was my response? If you had read the thread, YOU WOULD KNOW.  Dumbass.

If I read all 195 replies in which 80 percent consisted of you being irrationally mad and calling someone names I might have an aneurysm. 

The only people I've called names are you and Handsomedead, because you're both being dicks.

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

Is there something inherently funny about the numerals 1 and 4, or collectively as the number 14?

Funny AND sad actually. You punched a 14 year old. Amazing. Really says a lot about you and makes sense of your responses here.

Truth be told I didn't look at WHO I was punching. A hand went down my back pocket and my fist flew to where I knew the fucker at to be.  And come on, if I go up and put my hand down some strange womans back pocket and she punched me you'd be all 'girl power'.  Don't lie.  Anyone puts their hands in my pockets without my permission gets hurt, period. Period.

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

Is there something inherently funny about the numerals 1 and 4, or collectively as the number 14?

Funny AND sad actually. You punched a 14 year old. Amazing. Really says a lot about you and makes sense of your responses here.

Truth be told I didn't look at WHO I was punching. A hand went down my back pocket and my fist flew to where I knew the fucker had to be.  And come on, if I go up and put my hand down some strange womans back pocket and she punched me you'd be all 'girl power'.  Don't lie.  Anyone puts their hands in my pockets without my permission gets hurt, period. Period.

@Fajita_Jim said:

    This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

So if somebody breaks into your home in America you can shoot them dead, and everyone just gives you a big pat on the back? I'm pretty sure they'd investigate whether you needed to kill somebody or used excessive force.

@Fajita_Jim: You give permission to let people put there hands in your pockets? Sorry i couldn't resist, no harm ment, that said i would do the same. A kid stealing money needs a good punch in the face anyways.

   Now, fuck off. For real this time. Wow, you must be the only one who's ever lived in a city, bro.

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

    This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

So if somebody breaks into your home in America you can shoot them dead, and everyone just gives you a big pat on the back? I'm pretty sure they'd investigate whether you needed to kill somebody or used excessive force.

In Tennessee, if someone breaks into your house, as long as they aren't trying to leave you can shoot them. Period, full-stop. I linked the actual law a while back, go look for it.

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

    This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

So if somebody breaks into your home in America you can shoot them dead, and everyone just gives you a big pat on the back? I'm pretty sure they'd investigate whether you needed to kill somebody or used excessive force.

In Tennessee, if someone breaks into your house, as long as they aren't trying to leave you can shoot them. Period, full-stop. I linked the actual law a while back, go look for it.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

Is there something inherently funny about the numerals 1 and 4, or collectively as the number 14?

Funny AND sad actually. You punched a 14 year old. Amazing. Really says a lot about you and makes sense of your responses here.

Truth be told I didn't look at WHO I was punching. A hand went down my back pocket and my fist flew to where I knew the fucker had to be.  And come on, if I go up and put my hand down some strange womans back pocket and she punched me you'd be all 'girl power'.  Don't lie.  Anyone puts their hands in my pockets without my permission gets hurt, period. Period.

Needs more periods. You've only got 4 in a row.

@dudy80 said:

@Fajita_Jim: You give permission to let people put there hands in your pockets? Sorry i couldn't resist, no harm ment, that said i would do the same. A kid stealing money needs a good punch in the face anyways.

Public justice > private justice

@Fajita_Jim said:
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. There are so many variables. You're as black and white as the morality choices in Mass Effect.

@Fajita_Jim: Smaller city means it's more concentrated, too. The city right next to me has only 16,000 people, and has almost as high incidences of crime as Knoxville in many categories. It's not even that big, but there are plenty of places not to go.

@example1013 said:

@dudy80 said:

@Fajita_Jim: You give permission to let people put there hands in your pockets? Sorry i couldn't resist, no harm ment, that said i would do the same. A kid stealing money needs a good punch in the face anyways.

Public justice > private justice

Public justice isn't responsive enough to get my wallet back with everything in it. Besides, the police who responded said they wish they could do the same (this Brat was known to them) so it can't be that bad.

@example1013 said:

@Fajita_Jim: Smaller city means it's more concentrated, too. The city right next to me has only 16,000 people, and has almost as high incidences of crime as Knoxville in many categories. It's not even that big, but there are plenty of places not to go.

You better carry a gun on you then.

This is a great thread. A++

@AlexW00d said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

Story

    
Now, I know what some will say, "The guy was down and she kept kicking." But really, if 'Crime of the moment' and 'Crime of passion' are both lesser crimes because they are a reaction to extraordinary and unpredictable circumstances, how can one blame a victimof an assault for losing control in the heat of defending herself?   This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

I agree it is fucked up that is has been fined, but the article claims she kept kicking him in the head post conciousness... You can't deny that is too far? Although I wouldn't have fined her, but maybe gave her a good telling off.

An hysterical 19-year-old isn't someone I would expect to make the best choices. Let's be logical:  -She did not put herself in the position to be attacked.  -The attacker put her in that position  against her will It was the attackers decision to initiate the assault, whatever he got out of it he deserved and then some. I don't think it's the actions that should be judged but the intention.

@Fajita_Jim: Smaller city means it's more concentrated, too. The city right next to me has only 16,000 people, and has almost as high incidences of crime as Knoxville in many categories. It's not even that big, but there are plenty of places not to go.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

    This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

So if somebody breaks into your home in America you can shoot them dead, and everyone just gives you a big pat on the back? I'm pretty sure they'd investigate whether you needed to kill somebody or used excessive force.

In Tennessee, if someone breaks into your house, as long as they aren't trying to leave you can shoot them. Period, full-stop. I linked the actual law a while back, go look for it.

So what you're saying is it's not just a clear free-for-all, which is the opposite of your opening point.

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. There are so many variables. You're as black and white as the morality choices in Mass Effect.

Am I really? Is that why in the story of someone breaking into my house I related, I clearly stated I could have killed them but didn't? Doesn't this kinda fall into your argument above and therefore making you look stupid for stating something I've basically already said (in not so many words) and trying to attack me with it?  Try harder.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@AlexW00d said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

Story

    
Now, I know what some will say, "The guy was down and she kept kicking." But really, if 'Crime of the moment' and 'Crime of passion' are both lesser crimes because they are a reaction to extraordinary and unpredictable circumstances, how can one blame a victimof an assault for losing control in the heat of defending herself?   This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

I agree it is fucked up that is has been fined, but the article claims she kept kicking him in the head post conciousness... You can't deny that is too far? Although I wouldn't have fined her, but maybe gave her a good telling off.

An hysterical 19-year-old isn't someone I would expect to make the best choices. Let's be logical:  -She did not put herself in the position to be attacked.  -The attacker put her in that position  against her will It was the attackers decision to initiate the assault, whatever he got out of it he deserved and then some. I don't think it's the actions that should be judged but the intention.

She did however go from being the victim to the attacker when she knocked him unconscious and continued to beat him. The natural human reaction when put in danger is to get away from said danger, not beat it senseless.  Reguardless of whether or not its justified this article is just sensationalist bullshit, people get mugged and attacked every day and the attackers/muggers sometimes fail and/or have the tables turned on them. this case is no different.

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

    This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

So if somebody breaks into your home in America you can shoot them dead, and everyone just gives you a big pat on the back? I'm pretty sure they'd investigate whether you needed to kill somebody or used excessive force.

In Tennessee, if someone breaks into your house, as long as they aren't trying to leave you can shoot them. Period, full-stop. I linked the actual law a while back, go look for it.

So what you're saying is it's not just a clear free-for-all, which is the opposite of your opening point.

My opening point was 'At least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy." I fail to see how this contradicts my later statements.

@example1013 said:

@Fajita_Jim: Smaller city means it's more concentrated, too. The city right next to me has only 16,000 people, and has almost as high incidences of crime as Knoxville in many categories. It's not even that big, but there are plenty of places not to go.

You better carry a gun on you then.

Fight flight or freeze, those are the typical responses, some ppl freezes and breaks down during stress too. I'm only saying.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@example1013 said:

@dudy80 said:

@Fajita_Jim: You give permission to let people put there hands in your pockets? Sorry i couldn't resist, no harm ment, that said i would do the same. A kid stealing money needs a good punch in the face anyways.

Public justice > private justice

Public justice isn't responsive enough to get my wallet back with everything in it. Besides, the police who responded said they wish they could do the same (this Brat was known to them) so it can't be that bad.

The police are being irrational. Justice is supposed to be rational. Punishment fits the crime, and all that. I'm not arguing with getting your wallet back. I'm arguing with the guy who said the kid deserved to be punched in the face, like he'd just walk up to anyone who he knew pickpocketed and punch them in the face. We have public justice to prevent private justice from being enacted, because private justice causes problems like blood feuds, fights, and wrongful lynchings.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. There are so many variables. You're as black and white as the morality choices in Mass Effect.

Am I really? Is that why in the story of someone breaking into my house I related, I clearly stated I could have killed them but didn't? Doesn't this kinda fall into your argument above and therefore making you look stupid for stating something I've basically already said (in not so many words) and trying to attack me with it?  Try harder.

First you walk away from a fight then you don't shoot someone breaking into your house? Do you have a deathwish?

@Kiera said:

@example1013 said:

@Fajita_Jim: Smaller city means it's more concentrated, too. The city right next to me has only 16,000 people, and has almost as high incidences of crime as Knoxville in many categories. It's not even that big, but there are plenty of places not to go.

You better carry a gun on you then.

See, I knew you didn't read the thread or you'd know that I ALWAYS CARRY A GUN AND I HAVE A CONCEAL AND CARRY LICENSE. As has been stated...repeatedly...but some people don't learn the first dozen times.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

    This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

So if somebody breaks into your home in America you can shoot them dead, and everyone just gives you a big pat on the back? I'm pretty sure they'd investigate whether you needed to kill somebody or used excessive force.

In Tennessee, if someone breaks into your house, as long as they aren't trying to leave you can shoot them. Period, full-stop. I linked the actual law a while back, go look for it.

So what you're saying is it's not just a clear free-for-all, which is the opposite of your opening point.

My opening point was 'At least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy." I fail to see how this contradicts my later statements.

That implied you can do whatever you like to defend yourself with no chance of being made out to be the aggressor or 'bad guy' you just contradicted that by saying you can't shoot somebody if they're leaving which means you can't do whatever you like and you're no more free in your actions than most places. So having the access to a gun hasn't made anything simpler, you're still accountable if you step outside the bounds of what you're allowed to do, just like in the story. Except in your world somebody is dead instead of just beat up.

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@Kiera said:

@Fajita_Jim said:
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. There are so many variables. You're as black and white as the morality choices in Mass Effect.

Am I really? Is that why in the story of someone breaking into my house I related, I clearly stated I could have killed them but didn't? Doesn't this kinda fall into your argument above and therefore making you look stupid for stating something I've basically already said (in not so many words) and trying to attack me with it?  Try harder.

First you walk away from a fight then you don't shoot someone breaking into your house? Do you have a deathwish?

Idiot.  1. I fought, THEN walked away.  2. I DID shoot him. As in THE AFFIRMATIVE. But I wouldn't expect you to understand since your reading comprehension seems to be...lacking, to say the least.

@example1013 said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@example1013 said:

@dudy80 said:

@Fajita_Jim: You give permission to let people put there hands in your pockets? Sorry i couldn't resist, no harm ment, that said i would do the same. A kid stealing money needs a good punch in the face anyways.

Public justice > private justice

Public justice isn't responsive enough to get my wallet back with everything in it. Besides, the police who responded said they wish they could do the same (this Brat was known to them) so it can't be that bad.

The police are being irrational. Justice is supposed to be rational. Punishment fits the crime, and all that. I'm not arguing with getting your wallet back. I'm arguing with the guy who said the kid deserved to be punched in the face, like he'd just walk up to anyone who he knew pickpocketed and punch them in the face. We have public justice to prevent private justice from being enacted, because private justice causes problems like blood feuds, fights, and wrongful lynchings.

So if i walked up to you and stuck my hand in your pocket you wouldn't punch me in the face? i diden't mean i would do that to anyone i thought did that but if a crime is committed on me im going to take it into my hands to stop it until the police can actually do something.

@Fajita_Jim said:

@example1013 said:

@dudy80 said:

@Fajita_Jim: You give permission to let people put there hands in your pockets? Sorry i couldn't resist, no harm ment, that said i would do the same. A kid stealing money needs a good punch in the face anyways.

Public justice > private justice

Public justice isn't responsive enough to get my wallet back with everything in it. Besides, the police who responded said they wish they could do the same (this Brat was known to them) so it can't be that bad.

The police are being irrational. Justice is supposed to be rational. Punishment fits the crime, and all that. I'm not arguing with getting your wallet back. I'm arguing with the guy who said the kid deserved to be punched in the face, like he'd just walk up to anyone who he knew pickpocketed and punch them in the face. We have public justice to prevent private justice from being enacted, because private justice causes problems like blood feuds, fights, and wrongful lynchings.

Has been a interesting conversation but i had my fill, everyone in this argument has had a good point here or there, no hard feelings and have a good night all.

@dudy80 said:

@example1013 said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@example1013 said:

@dudy80 said:

@Fajita_Jim: You give permission to let people put there hands in your pockets? Sorry i couldn't resist, no harm ment, that said i would do the same. A kid stealing money needs a good punch in the face anyways.

Public justice > private justice

Public justice isn't responsive enough to get my wallet back with everything in it. Besides, the police who responded said they wish they could do the same (this Brat was known to them) so it can't be that bad.

The police are being irrational. Justice is supposed to be rational. Punishment fits the crime, and all that. I'm not arguing with getting your wallet back. I'm arguing with the guy who said the kid deserved to be punched in the face, like he'd just walk up to anyone who he knew pickpocketed and punch them in the face. We have public justice to prevent private justice from being enacted, because private justice causes problems like blood feuds, fights, and wrongful lynchings.

So if i walked up to you and stuck my hand in your pocket you wouldn't punch me in the face? i diden't mean i would do that to anyone i thought did that but if a crime is committed on me im going to take it into my hands to stop it until the police can actually do something.

No. I'm not going to specifically look to punch you in the face. I'd likely grab your arm. Punching someone in the face is extremely violent. Why would my first reaction be to attempt to break somebody's nose? Now, if in the ensuing struggle your nose got broken, that'd be okay. But I don't walk around saying "if someone reaches into my pocket, I'm aiming straight for the jaw." If you look to break noses for pickpocketing, I'd hate to see what you'd do to somebody who spilled a beer on you or something.

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

@NeverDave said:

@Fajita_Jim said:

    This wouldn't fly in the states. For all the talk people give about our gun laws, at least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy.

So if somebody breaks into your home in America you can shoot them dead, and everyone just gives you a big pat on the back? I'm pretty sure they'd investigate whether you needed to kill somebody or used excessive force.

In Tennessee, if someone breaks into your house, as long as they aren't trying to leave you can shoot them. Period, full-stop. I linked the actual law a while back, go look for it.

So what you're saying is it's not just a clear free-for-all, which is the opposite of your opening point.

My opening point was 'At least we can defend ourselves without having to worry about being made the bad guy." I fail to see how this contradicts my later statements.

That implied you can do whatever you like to defend yourself with no chance of being made out to be the aggressor or 'bad guy' you just contradicted that by saying you can't shoot somebody if they're leaving which means you can't do whatever you like and you're no more free in your actions than most places. So having the access to a gun hasn't made anything simpler, you're still accountable if you step outside the bounds of what you're allowed to do, just like in the story. Except in your world somebody is dead instead of just beat up.

Since when does "At least we can defend ourselves" mean "we do anything we want to the fuckers"?  Need a dictionary? Here. 

@Fajita_Jim: I obviously didn't, but let's take your word for it: how, then, do you get around unmolested, if nowhere is safe to walk through?