What do you think of this term I coined?

" @pretender15 said:

" @TehFlan said:

" @pretender15: I can't speak for a lot of those games, but there have been plenty of games in the past decade that were at least as good. For example, GoldenEye. I loved it ten years ago, but I played it again over the summer and it feels super clunky. I don't play a lot of FPS's, but even I can see that the genre has evolved. That's true for most genres and franchises. Plenty of other games on your list have been improved upon in the last decade. Starcraft 2 is an awesome game, far better than the original in terms of campaign. Civ V is amazing. MGS3 was my favorite in the series. And while I don't think any action-adventure game in the past decade has been as huge a leap as Ocarina as Time, even Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were just as good as games, not to mention other games in the genre, at least when looked at objectively. Of course, there's no accounting for taste and you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but saying gaming as a whole was better in the 90's is way too much of a generalization. And more on-topic: Why Streamers? I'll never understand people's need to label others, but I find it fascinating to see why words are used how they are, and I'm curious as to what inspired you to chose this word in particular. People have already pointed out its flaws, but I'm sure you had your own rationalizations, so what were they? "

Everything nowadays is made for the lowest common denominator. Games like dungeon crawlers, survival horror, stealth, tactical shooters, and other such games no longer exist. Everything is created for the lowest common denominator. "

The Witcher/ Dragon Age Origins/  or more accurately, Diablo 3. Silent Hill  / Amnesia, Splinter Cell / Hitman, ARMA / SWAT 4.

Should I go on?

Edit: Even World of Warcraft could be described as an evolution of the dungeon crawlers of olde.

"

When I hear "streamers" I think of those cheap ribbons sometimes attached to the ends of bike handlebars. 

" @pretender15 said:

" So long as you people are willing to settle for less (Call of Duty 50), the process of overly standardized bullshit being released on the market will only continue. "

But it's not like great games aren't coming out next to these titles. Here's a tip: buy those instead of the mainstream stuff, don't panic so much about feeling the need to label things, and instead focus your attention on playing that rad game you just purchased. Hopefully you'll be too busy having fun to make snarky comments about people who like things that are different to you! "

"  "streamers"To refer to all of the mainstream people who are obsessed with Modern Warfare 2 and think that video games are better now than they were in the 90s. You know, people who don't realize that companies purposely make games for the lowest common denominator. And other people who are strictly into mainstream stuff, and don't care about innovation, sub-culture, or niches. Oh and of course, they are all graphics whores. "

I was kind of confused throughout my reading of this thread, then I remembered, opinions are facts! Thinking a game is good or bad is not subjective at all! Silly me! How could I be so ignorant! 
 
/sarcasm

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" So long as you people are willing to settle for less (Call of Duty 50), the process of overly standardized bullshit being released on the market will only continue. "

But it's not like great games aren't coming out next to these titles. Here's a tip: buy those instead of the mainstream stuff, don't panic so much about feeling the need to label things, and instead focus your attention on playing that rad game you just purchased. Hopefully you'll be too busy having fun to make snarky comments about people who like things that are different to you! "

There haven't been any survival horror, stealth, or tactical shooters that have come out in years. "

" @pretender15:It doesn't matter what your "opinions" of the games are. They are still proof that there are good games enjoyed by many people that are being made for all of the genres you seem to think no longer exist. You can't just wish away things you don't like. If we could, this thread would be long gone. "

" There haven't been any survival horror, stealth, or tactical shooters that have come out in years. "

" @pretender15 said:

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" So long as you people are willing to settle for less (Call of Duty 50), the process of overly standardized bullshit being released on the market will only continue. "

But it's not like great games aren't coming out next to these titles. Here's a tip: buy those instead of the mainstream stuff, don't panic so much about feeling the need to label things, and instead focus your attention on playing that rad game you just purchased. Hopefully you'll be too busy having fun to make snarky comments about people who like things that are different to you! "

There haven't been any survival horror, stealth, or tactical shooters that have come out in years. "

1 example of each SH=Fatal Frame franchise Stealth= Assassin's Creed TS= Modern Warfare. "

I enjoy and embrace this term. Thumbs up from me! I remember a time when the entire of next year's releases weren't ENTIRELY made up of FUCKING SEQUELS!

" Video games are better now than they were in the 90s. In my opinion, if you think otherwise, it's just nostalgia speaking. Yes, there are a lot of "me too" games out there, but there is also a lot growth and innovation as well. I don't really have a problem with mainstream gamers, so long as they don't profess to know everything about video games simply because they've played Madden, Halo, and Call of Duty. Or, worse, attack smaller, niche games just because they haven't heard of them.   The way I see it, I enjoy big, blockbuster movies, and I don't want some film buff turning his nose at me just because I haven't seen the newest indie flick. Just let people enjoy what they enjoy, so long as they don't talk out of their asses or give you shit for enjoying what you enjoy.   Mainstream gamers aren't killing the industry, they're making it bigger and bigger which means more games and more chances for innovation. With the development of distribution platforms like Indie Marketplace on Live, it's easier than ever for indie developers to get their games into players' hands, and it's the business from the mainstream that has allowed those frameworks to be built. "

" @SethPhotopoulos said:

" @pretender15 said:

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" So long as you people are willing to settle for less (Call of Duty 50), the process of overly standardized bullshit being released on the market will only continue. "

But it's not like great games aren't coming out next to these titles. Here's a tip: buy those instead of the mainstream stuff, don't panic so much about feeling the need to label things, and instead focus your attention on playing that rad game you just purchased. Hopefully you'll be too busy having fun to make snarky comments about people who like things that are different to you! "

There haven't been any survival horror, stealth, or tactical shooters that have come out in years. "

1 example of each SH=Fatal Frame franchise Stealth= Assassin's Creed TS= Modern Warfare. "

Lowest common denominator. "

" Lowest common denominator. "

" @Zimbo said:

" @pretender15:It doesn't matter what your "opinions" of the games are. They are still proof that there are good games enjoyed by many people that are being made for all of the genres you seem to think no longer exist. You can't just wish away things you don't like. If we could, this thread would be long gone. "

Those genres don't exist anymore. "

" @pretender15 said:

" @SethPhotopoulos said:

" @pretender15 said:

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" So long as you people are willing to settle for less (Call of Duty 50), the process of overly standardized bullshit being released on the market will only continue. "

But it's not like great games aren't coming out next to these titles. Here's a tip: buy those instead of the mainstream stuff, don't panic so much about feeling the need to label things, and instead focus your attention on playing that rad game you just purchased. Hopefully you'll be too busy having fun to make snarky comments about people who like things that are different to you! "

There haven't been any survival horror, stealth, or tactical shooters that have come out in years. "

1 example of each SH=Fatal Frame franchise Stealth= Assassin's Creed TS= Modern Warfare. "

Lowest common denominator. "

Explain what you mean by that.  You spout it off whenever someone mentions something thats less than 10 years old. "

" @pretender15 said:

" Lowest common denominator. "

Fatal Frame is lowest common denominator? Now I know you're trolling. I'd love to hear your shining example of 90's survival horror that eclipses that.  Also, your profile pic is Lara Croft. Just saying. "

"  "streamers"To refer to all of the mainstream people who are obsessed with Modern Warfare 2 and think that video games are better now than they were in the 90s. You know, people who don't realize that companies purposely make games for the lowest common denominator. And other people who are strictly into mainstream stuff, and don't care about innovation, sub-culture, or niches. Oh and of course, they are all graphics whores. "

" @pretender15 said:

"  "streamers"To refer to all of the mainstream people who are obsessed with Modern Warfare 2 and think that video games are better now than they were in the 90s. You know, people who don't realize that companies purposely make games for the lowest common denominator. And other people who are strictly into mainstream stuff, and don't care about innovation, sub-culture, or niches. Oh and of course, they are all graphics whores. "

Sure. Ok. But why "Streamers"? "

" @Ragdrazi said:

" @pretender15 said:

"  "streamers"To refer to all of the mainstream people who are obsessed with Modern Warfare 2 and think that video games are better now than they were in the 90s. You know, people who don't realize that companies purposely make games for the lowest common denominator. And other people who are strictly into mainstream stuff, and don't care about innovation, sub-culture, or niches. Oh and of course, they are all graphics whores. "

Sure. Ok. But why "Streamers"? "

main"stream" "

" Haven't played Fatal Frame, but I suggest you look on the Examiner or UGO or somewhere. There was a video explaining how the survival horror genre is dead. And why it's dead. "

"  "streamers"To refer to all of the mainstream people who are obsessed with Modern Warfare 2 and think that video games are better now than they were in the 90s. You know, people who don't realize that companies purposely make games for the lowest common denominator. And other people who are strictly into mainstream stuff, and don't care about innovation, sub-culture, or niches. Oh and of course, they are all graphics whores. "

" @pretender15 said:

" Haven't played Fatal Frame, but I suggest you look on the Examiner or UGO or somewhere. There was a video explaining how the survival horror genre is dead. And why it's dead. "

Ohhh, your opinion's based on what other people have said, not on your own self-crafted thoughts - gotcha. And when you don't have a handy ready-made opinion about a topic (such as Fatal Frame) you panic and chuck buzzwords at it to make it look like you know what you're talking about. Not really cool. "

" @pretender15 said:

"  "streamers"To refer to all of the mainstream people who are obsessed with Modern Warfare 2 and think that video games are better now than they were in the 90s. You know, people who don't realize that companies purposely make games for the lowest common denominator. And other people who are strictly into mainstream stuff, and don't care about innovation, sub-culture, or niches. Oh and of course, they are all graphics whores. "

Alright, I'm going to give another reasoned, warranted response to your insanity so that you can't just claim that people were only being dicks to you because they were console fanboys or whatever. Based off of what I read in your first post, and subsequent posts, it seems fair to assume that you're using streamers as a derogatory term therefore it seems the burden on you is to prove why it is that people who play games like MW2 are worse than everyone else. I have a few responses here. 1) regarding the "sub-culture, or niches" charge. This attack is nonsensical, even if we can divide games into sub-cultures, then by definition not everyone can be in them. Therefore it's foolish to blame someone for being a necessary product of unnecessary categorization that you engage in. By trying to dissect gaming in this manner you've created what you claim to hate.  2) Not caring about innovation. I would argue that all of them do, and that you have no evidence to suggest that they don't. People do take notice of changes, maybe they aren't entirely forming their buying decisions off of what is innovating, but the fact is that people still buy new games, and still appreciate changes. You may ask for proof of my point, to which I would respond, where is your proof? Another response that's important to make here is that you fail to prove the value of innovation in every game. Sure the changes between CoD4 MW2 and Blops weren't massive, but you fail to show why that's on face bad. Obviously some innovation is good, and that is occurring in the industry, but it's just as fine that some games aren't providing constant massive innovation. 3) regarding mainstream/lowest common denominator. The whole lowest common denominator argument rests on the unfounded assumption that you are smarter or in some way better than the target of the phrase. Which you fail to prove, given that we have no reason to believe that you're better than them (hell you could actually be the lowest common denominator) then we have no reason to apply this term to anyone, as we lack the proper metric to apply it. These kind of value judgement are dumb for reasons like this. As for "mainstream" being bad. Once again you fail to prove WHY it's bad. Given that game development is still diversified, even more so now in some sense (the internet is really enabling indie devs) how is having games that market themselves for mass appeal bad? It's not like it harms the sales of innovative games, since you said yourself that people who buy mainstream don't like innovation, so therefore they would just be an unused market. (uh oh, contradiction!)  "

" Gaming isn't being diversified. It's being anti-diversified. Every real gamer can see it, I'm not sure why the console fan boys cannot. "

" @pretender15 said:

" Gaming isn't being diversified. It's being anti-diversified. Every real gamer can see it, I'm not sure why the console fan boys cannot. "

Do you know how many also-ran, 4th-rate, me-too, bandwagon-jumping products came out in the 90s? How many mascot-driven cutesy platformers were shat out? How many shonky 3D romps made by companies out for a slice of the action? "

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" Gaming isn't being diversified. It's being anti-diversified. Every real gamer can see it, I'm not sure why the console fan boys cannot. "

Do you know how many also-ran, 4th-rate, me-too, bandwagon-jumping products came out in the 90s? How many mascot-driven cutesy platformers were shat out? How many shonky 3D romps made by companies out for a slice of the action? "

And yet, it is rightly called a golden age.  There is this hilariously Trolling 101 quality to this thread. When do people get upset. When they secretly know that at least some element of what you are saying is true. Truth is a painful thing, and people don't like it. "

" @buzz_clik: Probably not, he was 8 when the 90's ended, so he's only gone back and played the good games. So no duh the generation looks great that way. "

" @PrivateIronTFU: yes the prisoner is awesome! and yea hipsters are unfortunate part of our world. "

" @buzz_clik said:

" Do you know how many also-ran, 4th-rate, me-too, bandwagon-jumping products came out in the 90s? How many mascot-driven cutesy platformers were shat out? How many shonky 3D romps made by companies out for a slice of the action? "

And yet, it is rightly called a golden age. "

" @Ragdrazi said:

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" Gaming isn't being diversified. It's being anti-diversified. Every real gamer can see it, I'm not sure why the console fan boys cannot. "

Do you know how many also-ran, 4th-rate, me-too, bandwagon-jumping products came out in the 90s? How many mascot-driven cutesy platformers were shat out? How many shonky 3D romps made by companies out for a slice of the action? "

And yet, it is rightly called a golden age.  There is this hilariously Trolling 101 quality to this thread. When do people get upset. When they secretly know that at least some element of what you are saying is true. Truth is a painful thing, and people don't like it. "

No, I get upset because someone is trying to use an argument that is not only fallacious, but contains an internal contradiction, in order to try and feel better than someone else. That was the whole point of my post.  "

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" Haven't played Fatal Frame, but I suggest you look on the Examiner or UGO or somewhere. There was a video explaining how the survival horror genre is dead. And why it's dead. "

Ohhh, your opinion's based on what other people have said, not on your own self-crafted thoughts - gotcha. And when you don't have a handy ready-made opinion about a topic (such as Fatal Frame) you panic and chuck buzzwords at it to make it look like you know what you're talking about. Not really cool. "

I wasn't saying that. I know the survival horror genre is dead. So do other Resident Evil and survival horror fans. I'm just saying I suggest you look up that video. "

Gaming isn't being diversified. It's being anti-diversified. Every real gamer can see it, I'm not sure why the console fan boys cannot. "

" @Ragdrazi said:

" @buzz_clik said:

" Do you know how many also-ran, 4th-rate, me-too, bandwagon-jumping products came out in the 90s? How many mascot-driven cutesy platformers were shat out? How many shonky 3D romps made by companies out for a slice of the action? "

And yet, it is rightly called a golden age. "

I don't disagree that it was a great time to be a gamer, but it's rot to portray it like it was a time of pure innovation with every cart and disc giving us a shiny new mindblowing idea. "

" @beej said:

" @Ragdrazi said:

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" Gaming isn't being diversified. It's being anti-diversified. Every real gamer can see it, I'm not sure why the console fan boys cannot. "

Do you know how many also-ran, 4th-rate, me-too, bandwagon-jumping products came out in the 90s? How many mascot-driven cutesy platformers were shat out? How many shonky 3D romps made by companies out for a slice of the action? "

And yet, it is rightly called a golden age.  There is this hilariously Trolling 101 quality to this thread. When do people get upset. When they secretly know that at least some element of what you are saying is true. Truth is a painful thing, and people don't like it. "

No, I get upset because someone is trying to use an argument that is not only fallacious, but contains an internal contradiction, in order to try and feel better than someone else. That was the whole point of my post.  "

That's funny. I thought they presented a term to define a sort of person. Seems to me, the arguments are being presented by the other side, to show why they don't think this person should use this term. And then also rwarg. The nineties is correctly thought of as a golden age. A time of great innovation. Currently, it is well observed that designers are turning against innovation in pursuit of profit. There are going to be those happy with that situational, and those unhappy. And that's the end of that thread. "

" @Ragdrazi said:

" @beej said:

" @Ragdrazi said:

" @buzz_clik said:

" @pretender15 said:

" Gaming isn't being diversified. It's being anti-diversified. Every real gamer can see it, I'm not sure why the console fan boys cannot. "

Do you know how many also-ran, 4th-rate, me-too, bandwagon-jumping products came out in the 90s? How many mascot-driven cutesy platformers were shat out? How many shonky 3D romps made by companies out for a slice of the action? "

And yet, it is rightly called a golden age.  There is this hilariously Trolling 101 quality to this thread. When do people get upset. When they secretly know that at least some element of what you are saying is true. Truth is a painful thing, and people don't like it. "

No, I get upset because someone is trying to use an argument that is not only fallacious, but contains an internal contradiction, in order to try and feel better than someone else. That was the whole point of my post.  "

That's funny. I thought they presented a term to define a sort of person. Seems to me, the arguments are being presented by the other side, to show why they don't think this person should use this term. And then also rwarg. The nineties is correctly thought of as a golden age. A time of great innovation. Currently, it is well observed that designers are turning against innovation in pursuit of profit. There are going to be those happy with that situational, and those unhappy. And that's the end of that thread. "

And my whole first post was about how you 1) can't do that really. and 2) it's not being done properly here. "

I'm going to flag this thread like 20 times.  It isn't dying quick enough.

" Nothing can be without its flaws. To point to cracks in the Mona Lisa and call it trash would be idiotic. Not saying it's a comparable situation, but you get my point. "

CRAWWWWWWLLLING INNNNNN MY SKINNNNNNNNN

Gaming isn't being diversified. It's being anti-diversified. Every real gamer can see it, I'm not sure why the console fan boys cannot. "

Constantly saying 'Lowest Common Denominator' to people who disagree with you doesn't seem to be getting any sort of point across. Shocker.

I just made up a term: "Post-Higinbotham-tards" 
It applies to people who have enjoyed any video game since 1958's Tennis for Two.
    

I think you should separate yourself from us. We lowest common denominator folk do not deserve to have our dumb lowest common denominator minds in the presence of your superior intellect. Our mass of console kiddie sheeple is causing trouble for you real gamers. We should not be wasting your time forcing you to yell at us, because we are being so dumb and lowest common denominator that you must attempt to reach us through condescending insults. Lowest common denominator.
 
And if you act like this elsewhere, well, you'll isolate yourself soon enough.