What do you think of this term I coined?

" @TwoOneFive said:

" this is bullshit....  what makes a game like Modern Warfare 2 not as good or better than anything that came out in the 90s?!  theres a good fucking reason that game sold so well.  "

Because it's the exact same thing as last year? "

How is this thread still going? Where are the mods on this one?
 
 @pretender15: Just because a game is big doesn't mean it sucks. Get off yourself and stop trying to subdivide and label people.

for now on stop worrying about pointless things like this. just play games and have fun. who cares right?

Valuing independent thought and innovation does not bar one from enjoying mainstream creations. As long as it is taken on it's own merits and not followed for the simple reason of being popular, there is nothing unintelligent about liking big hits.

He's 18. He was born in 1992 so wasnt even old enough to be playing those games when they came out. Ignore this hipster douche bag, who isnt even hipster enough to stick to his guns: 
 
@pretender15 said:

" You know, everyone, on second thought, I wasn't the nicest person in this thread. And so I apologize if anyone was offended by anything I said. Let's all just try to get along and discuss this in a calm and polite manner. "

Video games are indeed better than they were in the 90s.  It's true that there were a lot of innovative ideas in the 90s but they were wrapped up in some seriously shitty mechanics.  It's like this: Tron was incredibly innovative for its time, and I still love that movie, but damn has it aged badly.  Special-effects laden movies are much better now.

Did Call of Duty steal your girlfriend or something?

14 pages of people saying the same things

" @TwoOneFive said:

" this is bullshit....  what makes a game like Modern Warfare 2 not as good or better than anything that came out in the 90s?!  theres a good fucking reason that game sold so well.  "

Because it's the exact same thing as last year? "

OP is the most obvious Troll I have ever seen on the Interwebz.  You should all be ashamed of yourselves :-)

Tell me how to be cool and hip like you.
 
Oh, I only have to shit on other people for liking other things.  Easy enough.

No..... No. No....

Almost everyone who's replied to this thread is clearly a 'streamer'. I'd say you were pretty spot on with that term, dude - you've hit more than a few nerves!

el_tajij is pretender15?

Man...OP sure stepped in it with this thread.

Man, where is Ajay? We need to wrench this shit.
 

" Almost everyone who's replied to this thread is clearly a 'streamer'. I'd say you were pretty spot on with that term, dude - you've hit more than a few nerves! "

" @PrivateIronTFU said:

" Guess what? Games ARE better than they were in the 90s. Nostalgia fucks with your head. Everything seems better when you remember it. Probably because people like you were thinner and had more friends in the 90s. So obviously things are going to seem better than they are now. But they're not. "

Actually games in the 90s were better. We have this discussion multiple times a week over at the Steam forums, SW:TOR forums, and many other forums. "

We get you are cool for hating mainstream games.  Now go play your obscure turn based strategy RPG  from Nipon Ichi or Atlus.

" @Ragdrazi:  
1) I'm not accepting that demarcation as valid, as are at least a few other people here who've echoed that same sentiment, yes it exists, but I'd like to begin to break it down. This term only reifies that which has no real valid basis. Thus while my complaint should rightly be pointed at the creators of the demarcation that extends to this term.  
2) I'm not sure where it's proven that nobody in the mainstream cares for innovation, they may want it less than other people, but you're responding to my request for evidence by saying "it's proven elsewhere", maybe I'm dumb, or poorly read, but I fail to see that proven anywhere. Sure that's an argument I should take up with whoever proved it, but maybe pretender could cite a source there or something.
3) I'm not saying it implies something about pretender here, I'm saying that we have no good way to call someone the lowest common denominator. Saying he might be it, isn't a personal attack it's an example of what I'm trying to say.  While I appreciate that his term isn't = the existence of a lowest common denominator, if we have no good way of determining what a lowest common denominator  is then the term itself is kind of incoherent insofar as applicability is concerned.   
With regards to the innovation argument, it seems to me like you're missing my whole point about his contradiction (if the mainstream people don't want innovation then they wouldn't be a market for the kind of innovation he wants, so they aren't really hurting the cause) Also innovation in sequels to some of his favorite game has provoked ire in a lot of fans, look at diablo 3. What is considered innovation, or at least positive innovation, seems to exist only within an individual, which is fine, but it also means that trying to use a term as a slur based off of what's purely internal seems silly to me at best. Sure people do it, but I think it's kind of dumb. 
 
@SeriouslyNow:  Honestly, and maybe this is just me, I never really liked the single player experience in any of the Call of Duty games. Sure there are flaws with the way that game handles stuff, but it seems to me that with the advent of the net and distribution platforms like steam, games that do fulfill the desires of other people still exists. "

" @TehFlan said:

" @pretender15: I can't speak for a lot of those games, but there have been plenty of games in the past decade that were at least as good. For example, GoldenEye. I loved it ten years ago, but I played it again over the summer and it feels super clunky. I don't play a lot of FPS's, but even I can see that the genre has evolved. That's true for most genres and franchises. Plenty of other games on your list have been improved upon in the last decade. Starcraft 2 is an awesome game, far better than the original in terms of campaign. Civ V is amazing. MGS3 was my favorite in the series. And while I don't think any action-adventure game in the past decade has been as huge a leap as Ocarina as Time, even Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were just as good as games, not to mention other games in the genre, at least when looked at objectively. Of course, there's no accounting for taste and you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but saying gaming as a whole was better in the 90's is way too much of a generalization. And more on-topic: Why Streamers? I'll never understand people's need to label others, but I find it fascinating to see why words are used how they are, and I'm curious as to what inspired you to chose this word in particular. People have already pointed out its flaws, but I'm sure you had your own rationalizations, so what were they? "

Everything nowadays is made for the lowest common denominator. Games like dungeon crawlers, survival horror, stealth, tactical shooters, and other such games no longer exist. Everything is created for the lowest common denominator. "

" @TehFlan said:

" @pretender15: I can't speak for a lot of those games, but there have been plenty of games in the past decade that were at least as good. For example, GoldenEye. I loved it ten years ago, but I played it again over the summer and it feels super clunky. I don't play a lot of FPS's, but even I can see that the genre has evolved. That's true for most genres and franchises. Plenty of other games on your list have been improved upon in the last decade. Starcraft 2 is an awesome game, far better than the original in terms of campaign. Civ V is amazing. MGS3 was my favorite in the series. And while I don't think any action-adventure game in the past decade has been as huge a leap as Ocarina as Time, even Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were just as good as games, not to mention other games in the genre, at least when looked at objectively. Of course, there's no accounting for taste and you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but saying gaming as a whole was better in the 90's is way too much of a generalization. And more on-topic: Why Streamers? I'll never understand people's need to label others, but I find it fascinating to see why words are used how they are, and I'm curious as to what inspired you to chose this word in particular. People have already pointed out its flaws, but I'm sure you had your own rationalizations, so what were they? "

Everything nowadays is made for the lowest common denominator. Games like dungeon crawlers, survival horror, stealth, tactical shooters, and other such games no longer exist. Everything is created for the lowest common denominator. "

Seeing as how this thread isn't dying quickly enough, I feel it's necessary to expedite the process. Let's begin by coming up with nonsensical derogatory terms for people with various hobbies, starting with the most heinous of them all, stamp collectors.
 
"I can't stand those god damned lickers."
 
Who's next?

"Seeing as how this thread isn't dying quickly enough, I feel it's necessary to expedite the process. Let's begin by coming up with nonsensical derogatory terms for people with various hobbies, starting with the most heinous of them all, stamp collectors.
 
"I can't stand those god damned lickers."  Who's next? "

" @beej said:

" @buzz_clik: Probably not, he was 8 when the 90's ended, so he's only gone back and played the good games. So no duh the generation looks great that way. "

I play both newer and older games, and have done so for several years. I fail to see what that has to do with anything though. "

" @beej: Seriously dude, you're making me feel bad. I legitimately don't like it when people are smarter than me.
 
@AltonBrown: How about we do one for people whose hobby it is to go around and make ironic statements and shit on what's popular as a way to make themselves look like they're "above" the mainstream? "

What do you think of this term I coined, ShitStirrer15

" @beej said:

" @buzz_clik: Probably not, he was 8 when the 90's ended, so he's only gone back and played the good games. So no duh the generation looks great that way. "

I play both newer and older games, and have done so for several years. I fail to see what that has to do with anything though. "