Oh, internet vigilantes. I can't help but laugh at how ridiculous the whole situation is.
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PSN being attacked by "Anonymous" hackers
" @pornstorestiffi:Oh its the word police, make the font bigger next time, that way i might learn to spell better.
Don't worry it'sAnonymous
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" @amir90 said:For some reason, copy paste function is not all that goody on this website :o" @pornstorestiffi:Oh its the word police, make the font bigger next time, that way i might learn to spell better. "
Don't worry it'sAnonymous
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Don't worry, just a lame attempt by me to be funny.
" @pornstorestiffi said:Thats ok dude, no worries." @amir90 said:For some reason, copy paste function is not all that goody on this website :oDon't worry, just a lame attempt by me to be funny. "" @pornstorestiffi:Oh its the word police, make the font bigger next time, that way i might learn to spell better. "
Don't worry it'sAnonymous
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How i feel about this can only be summed up by invoking a a very specific picture of Captain Picard.
This version of Anonymous claims that they act in the interest of freedom of information and privacy. What about Sony's privacy? They kept the information hidden and secret for a very good reason. I could agree with these actions if the access codes were originally public info and free but it was never supposed to be public knowledge. These guys violated their end user agreement and then posted confidential information on a public forum.
In a shorter less polite version "Fuck them, fuck anyone who download the info and fuck anyone who comes to their defense"
" @Daveyo520 said:Last time I checked I thought giving false testimony was illegal. People who "did nothing wrong" usually don't lie about stuff and flee the god damned country." @SeriouslyNow: Hacked the PS3 to let people do anything on it, including playing pirated games, without Sony being able to easily do anything to stop it. He hurt Sony a lot. Basically making it the piracy laden land of the flopped PSP. So of course they got mad and sued him. "That's not what he did. Google what he did. You'd be amazed at how little he actually did and how small his involvement was. "
" @SethPhotopoulos said:The guy hacked the PS3, they didn't want him to so they sued him. Just because people say the internet is free, doesn't make it so. Sony has a business to protect." @CL60 said:Why should I explain something to you that's been going on for months, that will take me a while to type out just because you've been too lazy to pay attention to things. "" @SethPhotopoulos said:You saying that makes it sound like its something very petty. "" @CL60 said:Like what? What are you talking about? I'm not going to explain the whole situation with you, because clearly you don't care about it if you haven't heard about it by now. >.> Look it up if you want to know so badly. "" @SethPhotopoulos said:Like what? "" @CL60 said:Because they've taken what they are doing way too far at this point. So whatever happens to them I don't give a shit. "" Sony deserves it. "For what? "
" @AceBlack19: Ok, I'm going to throw this out here for the third time now. The whole point of civil disobedience isn't just to inconvenience Sony. It's to inconvenience the customers. Sit ins at segregated lunch counters inconvenienced the shit out of anyone who might have been a patron, while not inconveniencing the legislature which legalized segregation. Was that a bad idea too? "Actually beej, no, it wasn't.
I didn't see your previous attempts (they got lost in the pages and pages of the thread), but now that I've gone back and looked it over I understand your point. In this case a DDOS can indeed be considered a virtual sit-in.
A) They take it to court and lose like Apple. Thus making console hacking 100% legal and green in USA.
I felt like I was in a spot where I had to say "yes, sit ins were bad" which I obviously don't believe. I had a similar reaction at first, but I wised up to the overall point. Its not severity so much as it is purpose. The concept is the same, but the two issues are not as important." @beej said:
" @AceBlack19: Ok, I'm going to throw this out here for the third time now. The whole point of civil disobedience isn't just to inconvenience Sony. It's to inconvenience the customers. Sit ins at segregated lunch counters inconvenienced the shit out of anyone who might have been a patron, while not inconveniencing the legislature which legalized segregation. Was that a bad idea too? "Are you really comparing sit-ins and the civil rights movement to this bullshit? "
EDIT: You two already figured that out though, so now i just feel silly.
" @yakov456: Sure I love PSN, but I understand that Sony went way too far. It's been a bitch logging in these past few days and SOCOM beta has been DCing like a bitch but I'm all for it. I felt the same way when Apple was suing for Jailbreaking, despite being a "hardcore" Apple fanboy (according to people around here). Sony took things too damn far this time, much like how Apple did, and it'll turn out win-win for consumers.Totally Agreed.
A) They take it to court and lose like Apple. Thus making console hacking 100% legal and green in USA.B) They drop the trial and say they fucked up, this way still making console hacking "grey" area but no one looses."
I think a lot of people are completely misinformed in this thread. There was never any trial in the Apple case - nothing has been decided in the legal system. The United States Library of Congress reviews the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) every three years to add exemptions or renew current policies. They added wireless telephone handsets to list of exemptions after pressure from the Electronic Frontier Foundation 19 months prior to the decision. The PS3 is not a wireless telephone handset, therefore it is not the same fucking thing.
As for what Geohot is being sued for, I'm just going to paste this here:
"If there were no questions on legality there would be no lawsuit. George Hotz may have violated US Federal Law, in particular this Law.
The principle claim in the legal dispute is potential violation of Title 17, Chapter 12, Subsection 1201 (a) (1) (A) regarding the circumvention of technological protection measures, and Subsection 1201 (a) (2) regarding the distribution of such measures.
Whether or not George Hotz did anything illegal is subject to a US Federal Court, not your whims."
You own your PS3 hardware. The PS3 system software is available under license and is subject to said terms of license. Licenses are legal contracts, and have been upheld in the court of law. This trial has nothing to do with the license.
If Anonymous wanted to attack Sony than that is fine with me. Instead Anonymous took the wrong route by attacking PSN. That just complicates the lives of people who don't know or don't care about this Geohot guy.
" I think a lot of people are completely misinformed in this thread. There was never any trial in the Apple case - nothing has been decided in the legal system. The United States Library of Congress reviews the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) every three years to add exemptions or renew current policies. They added wireless telephone handsets to list of exemptions after pressure from the Electronic Frontier Foundation 19 months prior to the decision. The PS3 is not a wireless telephone handset, therefore it is not the same fucking thing.What he said.
As for what Geohot is being sued for, I'm just going to paste this here:
"If there were no questions on legality there would be no lawsuit. George Hotz may have violated US Federal Law, in particular this Law.The principle claim in the legal dispute is potential violation of Title 17, Chapter 12, Subsection 1201 (a) (1) (A) regarding the circumvention of technological protection measures, and Subsection 1201 (a) (2) regarding the distribution of such measures.
Whether or not George Hotz did anything illegal is subject to a US Federal Court, not your whims."You own your PS3 hardware. The PS3 system software is available under license and is subject to said terms of license. Licenses are legal contracts, and have been upheld in the court of law. This trial has nothing to do with the license.
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" I think a lot of people are completely misinformed in this thread. There was never any trial in the Apple case - nothing has been decided in the legal system. The United States Library of Congress reviews the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) every three years to add exemptions or renew current policies. They added wireless telephone handsets to list of exemptions after pressure from the Electronic Frontier Foundation 19 months prior to the decision. The PS3 is not a wireless telephone handset, therefore it is not the same fucking thing.I think I agree with this, but the last like sentence confuses the fuck out of me.
As for what Geohot is being sued for, I'm just going to paste this here:
"If there were no questions on legality there would be no lawsuit. George Hotz may have violated US Federal Law, in particular this Law.The principle claim in the legal dispute is potential violation of Title 17, Chapter 12, Subsection 1201 (a) (1) (A) regarding the circumvention of technological protection measures, and Subsection 1201 (a) (2) regarding the distribution of such measures.
Whether or not George Hotz did anything illegal is subject to a US Federal Court, not your whims."You own your PS3 hardware. The PS3 system software is available under license and is subject to said terms of license. Licenses are legal contracts, and have been upheld in the court of law. This trial has nothing to do with the license.
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" Oh they're so bad ass. move out of your mommies basements and do something worth while. "good job there keeping the basement-dwellers stereotype going
" @Jeffsekai: Haha, sorry about that. It is kind of confusing. I was just saying that Sony's license for it's software is a real and valid thing, unlike an EULA which is considered more or less unenforceable by many people. The license itself (or the 'contract' one agrees to) isn't what the case isn't really what the case is about, I just wanted to clarify that they have a license over their software and it isn't meaningless (like an EULA.) "ah thanks.
" If Anonymous wanted to attack Sony than that is fine with me. Instead Anonymous took the wrong route by attacking PSN. That just complicates the lives of people who don't know or don't care about this Geohot guy. "What else are they gonna do? They're an internet hacker gang, DOS attacks are all they do, all they know how to do. Their pussies, and hopefully none of them ever grow a pair, or they'll be firebombing the Sony offices.
@TooWalrus said:
They would lose their anonymity, and pay actual consequences when caught, if they went from internet shenanigans to actual terrorism." What else are they gonna do? They're an internet hacker gang, DOS attacks are all they do, all they know how to do. Their pussies, and hopefully none of them ever grow a pair, or they'll be firebombing the Sony offices. "
" @Faint: Uh...yeah that shit doesn't matter. Apple tried pulling that shit last year and the judge said "uh...doesn't matter". Once you buy something, it is yours. You can reverse engineer it, you can break it, you can hack it, and you can give that hack away to the masses. We just had this god damn case last year with Apple and jailbreaking, how are people forgetting this so soon? "You should really read my previous post.
That has nothing to do with anything. Like, it really doesn't. This isn't about Linux at all, it's about the fact that he broke a law." @benjaebe: Yeah, and the GeoHotz thing started with the OtherOS support, he found all the backdoors and whatnot from the Linux side. Sony can't copyright Linux and what happens in there, they changed the licenses after the OtherOS got disabled. Sony ain't go shit on this, and when the USAF complains about OtherOS being removed, you know you fucked up. "
"The principle claim in the legal dispute is potential violation of Title 17, Chapter 12, Subsection 1201 (a) (1) (A) regarding the circumvention of technological protection measures, and Subsection 1201 (a) (2) regarding the distribution of such measures"
That has absolutely piss all to do with Linux.
I'm willing to deal with bad days on PSN if it means Sony gains some humility and remorse.
TRACE MY IP SONY, I'M LOOKING AT THE RAP!
@KaosAngel: Its somewhat refreshing to see a Geohotz supporter admit this is about piracy and not being able to install Linux or using hardware you've purchased how ever you want
@KaosAngel said:
That wouldn't happen even if this was something to feel remorseful about." if it means Sony gains some humility and remorse. "
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