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    #151  Edited By buzz_killington

    Oh, internet vigilantes. I  can't help but laugh at how ridiculous the whole situation is.

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    #152  Edited By MeierTheRed
    @amir90 said:
    " @pornstorestiffi:

    Don't worry it's 

    Anonymous

    "
    Oh its the word police, make the font bigger next time, that way i might learn to spell better.
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    #153  Edited By BulletproofMonk

    Internet vigilantes are the fucking worst. Ugh.

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    #154  Edited By ryoma122

    hey im gona watch over this one and i might even dig out my v halloween costume lol

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    #155  Edited By amir90
    @pornstorestiffi said:
    " @amir90 said:
    " @pornstorestiffi:

    Don't worry it's 

    Anonymous

    "
    Oh its the word police, make the font bigger next time, that way i might learn to spell better. "
    For some reason, copy paste function is not all that goody on this website :o
    Don't worry, just a lame attempt by me to be funny.
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    #156  Edited By MeierTheRed
    @amir90 said:
    " @pornstorestiffi said:
    " @amir90 said:
    " @pornstorestiffi:

    Don't worry it's 

    Anonymous

    "
    Oh its the word police, make the font bigger next time, that way i might learn to spell better. "
    For some reason, copy paste function is not all that goody on this website :oDon't worry, just a lame attempt by me to be funny. "
    Thats ok dude, no worries.
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    #157  Edited By Sharpshooter

    How i feel about this can only be summed up by invoking a a very specific picture of Captain Picard. 


    This version of Anonymous claims that they act in the interest of freedom of information and privacy. What about Sony's privacy? They kept the information hidden and secret for a very good reason. I could agree with these actions if the access codes were originally public info and free but it was never supposed to be public knowledge. These guys violated their end user agreement and then posted confidential information on a public forum. 

    In a shorter less polite version "Fuck them, fuck anyone who download the info and fuck anyone who comes to their defense"
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    #158  Edited By Rockdalf
    @SeriouslyNow said:
    " @Daveyo520 said:
    " @SeriouslyNow: Hacked the PS3 to let people do anything on it, including playing pirated games, without Sony being able to easily do anything to stop it. He hurt Sony a lot. Basically making it the piracy laden land of the flopped PSP. So of course they got mad and sued him. "
    That's not what he did.  Google what he did.  You'd be amazed at how little he actually did and how small his involvement was. "
    Last time I checked I thought giving false testimony was illegal.  People who "did nothing wrong" usually don't lie about stuff and flee the god damned country.
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    #159  Edited By metalsnakezero

    Hey, PSN is running again. Take that Hackers!

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    #160  Edited By yakov456

    Hey Kaos, if that is how you feel how come I see you on psn playing all the time. Surely if you wanted them attacked you wouldn't be enjoying the service they provide right?

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    #161  Edited By Lukeweizer
    @CL60 said:
    " @SethPhotopoulos said:
    " @CL60 said:
    " @SethPhotopoulos said:
    " @CL60 said:
    " @SethPhotopoulos said:
    " @CL60 said:
    " Sony deserves it. "
    For what? "
    Because they've taken what they are doing way too far at this point. So whatever happens to them I don't give a shit. "
    Like what? "
    Like what? What are you talking about? I'm not going to explain the whole situation with you, because clearly you don't care about it if you haven't heard about it by now. >.> Look it up if you want to know so badly. "
    You saying that makes it sound like its something very petty. "
    Why should I explain something to you that's been going on for months, that will take me a while to type out just because you've been too lazy to pay attention to things. "
    The guy hacked the PS3, they didn't want him to so they sued him. Just because people say the internet is free, doesn't make it so. Sony has a business to protect.
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    #162  Edited By AceBlack19
    @beej said:
    " @AceBlack19: Ok, I'm going to throw this out here for the third time now. The whole point of civil disobedience isn't just to inconvenience Sony. It's to inconvenience the customers. Sit ins at segregated lunch counters inconvenienced the shit out of anyone who might have been a patron, while not inconveniencing the legislature which legalized segregation. Was that a bad idea too? "
    Actually beej, no, it wasn't.

    I didn't see your previous attempts (they got lost in the pages and pages of the thread), but now that I've gone back and looked it over I understand your point. In this case a DDOS can indeed be considered a virtual sit-in.
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    #163  Edited By KaosAngel
    @yakov456: Sure I love PSN, but I understand that Sony went way too far.  It's been a bitch logging in these past few days and SOCOM beta has been DCing like a bitch but I'm all for it.  I felt the same way when Apple was suing for Jailbreaking, despite being a "hardcore" Apple fanboy (according to people around here).  Sony took things too damn far this time, much like how Apple did, and it'll turn out win-win for consumers.

    A) They take it to court and lose like Apple.  Thus making console hacking 100% legal and green in USA.
    B)  They drop the trial and say they fucked up, this way still making console hacking "grey" area but no one looses.


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    #164  Edited By AceBlack19
    @Wes899 said:

    " @beej said:

    " @AceBlack19: Ok, I'm going to throw this out here for the third time now. The whole point of civil disobedience isn't just to inconvenience Sony. It's to inconvenience the customers. Sit ins at segregated lunch counters inconvenienced the shit out of anyone who might have been a patron, while not inconveniencing the legislature which legalized segregation. Was that a bad idea too? "
    Are you really comparing sit-ins and the civil rights movement to this bullshit? "
    I felt like I was in a spot where I had to say "yes, sit ins were bad"  which I obviously don't believe. I had a similar reaction at first, but I wised up to the overall point. Its not severity so much as it is purpose. The concept is the same, but the two issues are not as important.

    EDIT: You two already figured that out though, so now i just feel silly.
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    #165  Edited By beej
    @AceBlack19: ayup. 
    One important distinction though, is that the anonymous members AREN'T going to jail for their disobedience. Whereas traditionally you had people who were willing to suffer the punishment for their disobedience. That said I think the draconian response that they'd receive partially justifies that. 
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    #166  Edited By endless_void
    @KaosAngel said:
    " @yakov456: Sure I love PSN, but I understand that Sony went way too far.  It's been a bitch logging in these past few days and SOCOM beta has been DCing like a bitch but I'm all for it.  I felt the same way when Apple was suing for Jailbreaking, despite being a "hardcore" Apple fanboy (according to people around here).  Sony took things too damn far this time, much like how Apple did, and it'll turn out win-win for consumers.

    A) They take it to court and lose like Apple.  Thus making console hacking 100% legal and green in USA.
    B)  They drop the trial and say they fucked up, this way still making console hacking "grey" area but no one looses.


    "
    Totally Agreed.
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    #167  Edited By benjaebe

    I think a lot of people are completely misinformed in this thread. There was never any trial in the Apple case - nothing has been decided in the legal system. The United States Library of Congress reviews the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) every three years to add exemptions or renew current policies. They added wireless telephone handsets to list of exemptions after pressure from the Electronic Frontier Foundation 19 months prior to the decision. The PS3 is not a wireless telephone handset, therefore it is not the same fucking thing.

    As for what Geohot is being sued for, I'm just going to paste this here:

    "If there were no questions on legality there would be no lawsuit. George Hotz may have violated US Federal Law, in particular this Law.

    The principle claim in the legal dispute is potential violation of Title 17, Chapter 12, Subsection 1201 (a) (1) (A) regarding the circumvention of technological protection measures, and Subsection 1201 (a) (2) regarding the distribution of such measures.
    Whether or not George Hotz did anything illegal is subject to a US Federal Court, not your whims."

     You own your PS3 hardware. The PS3 system software is available under license and is subject to said terms of license. Licenses are legal contracts, and have been upheld in the court of law. This trial has nothing to do with the license.

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    #168  Edited By TwoOneFive

    Oh they're so bad ass. move out of your mommies basements and do something worth while. 

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    #169  Edited By fullmetal5550

    If Anonymous wanted to attack Sony than that is fine with me. Instead Anonymous took the wrong route by attacking PSN. That just complicates the lives of people who don't know or don't care about this Geohot guy.

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    #170  Edited By willylo
    @benjaebe said:
    " I think a lot of people are completely misinformed in this thread. There was never any trial in the Apple case - nothing has been decided in the legal system. The United States Library of Congress reviews the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) every three years to add exemptions or renew current policies. They added wireless telephone handsets to list of exemptions after pressure from the Electronic Frontier Foundation 19 months prior to the decision. The PS3 is not a wireless telephone handset, therefore it is not the same fucking thing.

    As for what Geohot is being sued for, I'm just going to paste this here:

    "If there were no questions on legality there would be no lawsuit. George Hotz may have violated US Federal Law, in particular this Law.

    The principle claim in the legal dispute is potential violation of Title 17, Chapter 12, Subsection 1201 (a) (1) (A) regarding the circumvention of technological protection measures, and Subsection 1201 (a) (2) regarding the distribution of such measures.
    Whether or not George Hotz did anything illegal is subject to a US Federal Court, not your whims."

     You own your PS3 hardware. The PS3 system software is available under license and is subject to said terms of license. Licenses are legal contracts, and have been upheld in the court of law. This trial has nothing to do with the license.

    "
    What he said.
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    #171  Edited By Enigma777

    I'm so proud of my baby. :')

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    #172  Edited By Jeffsekai
    @benjaebe said:
    " I think a lot of people are completely misinformed in this thread. There was never any trial in the Apple case - nothing has been decided in the legal system. The United States Library of Congress reviews the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) every three years to add exemptions or renew current policies. They added wireless telephone handsets to list of exemptions after pressure from the Electronic Frontier Foundation 19 months prior to the decision. The PS3 is not a wireless telephone handset, therefore it is not the same fucking thing.

    As for what Geohot is being sued for, I'm just going to paste this here:

    "If there were no questions on legality there would be no lawsuit. George Hotz may have violated US Federal Law, in particular this Law.

    The principle claim in the legal dispute is potential violation of Title 17, Chapter 12, Subsection 1201 (a) (1) (A) regarding the circumvention of technological protection measures, and Subsection 1201 (a) (2) regarding the distribution of such measures.
    Whether or not George Hotz did anything illegal is subject to a US Federal Court, not your whims."

     You own your PS3 hardware. The PS3 system software is available under license and is subject to said terms of license. Licenses are legal contracts, and have been upheld in the court of law. This trial has nothing to do with the license.

    "
    I think I agree with this, but the last like sentence confuses the fuck out of me.
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    #173  Edited By wickedsc3

    Good job, keep it up!  

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    #174  Edited By AhmadMetallic
    @TwoOneFive said:
    " Oh they're so bad ass. move out of your mommies basements and do something worth while.  "
    good job there keeping the basement-dwellers stereotype going
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    #175  Edited By benjaebe
    @Jeffsekai: Haha, sorry about that. It is kind of confusing. I was just saying that Sony's license for it's software is a real and valid thing, unlike an EULA which is considered more or less unenforceable by many people. The license itself (or the 'contract' one agrees to) isn't what the case isn't really what the case is about, I just wanted to clarify that they have a license over their software and it isn't meaningless (like an EULA.)
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    #176  Edited By Jeffsekai
    @benjaebe said:
    " @Jeffsekai: Haha, sorry about that. It is kind of confusing. I was just saying that Sony's license for it's software is a real and valid thing, unlike an EULA which is considered more or less unenforceable by many people. The license itself (or the 'contract' one agrees to) isn't what the case isn't really what the case is about, I just wanted to clarify that they have a license over their software and it isn't meaningless (like an EULA.) "
    ah thanks.
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    #177  Edited By toowalrus
    @fullmetal5550 said:
    " If Anonymous wanted to attack Sony than that is fine with me. Instead Anonymous took the wrong route by attacking PSN. That just complicates the lives of people who don't know or don't care about this Geohot guy. "
    What else are they gonna do? They're an internet hacker gang, DOS attacks are all they do, all they know how to do. Their pussies, and hopefully none of them ever grow a pair, or they'll be firebombing the Sony offices.
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    #178  Edited By yyZiggurat
    This thing will blow over like their fleeting interest in other causes.

     
    @TooWalrus said:

    " What else are they gonna do? They're an internet hacker gang, DOS attacks are all they do, all they know how to do. Their pussies, and hopefully none of them ever grow a pair, or they'll be firebombing the Sony offices. "

    They would lose their anonymity, and pay actual consequences when caught, if they went from internet shenanigans to actual terrorism. 
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    #179  Edited By KaosAngel
    @HomemadeZiggurat said:
    "if they went from internet shenanigans to actual terrorism.  "
    You think these guys will go from this to 9/11?
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    #180  Edited By yyZiggurat
    @KaosAngel:   I never said I did.
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    #181  Edited By Faint

    So this is cool and all, except we have to agree to terms of use when purchasing and using their products, as a condition of us having them. Sony deserve that much at least don't they?

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    #182  Edited By KaosAngel
    @Faint: Uh...yeah that shit doesn't matter.  Apple tried pulling that shit last year and the judge said "uh...doesn't matter".  Once you buy something, it is yours.  You can reverse engineer it, you can break it, you can hack it, and you can give that hack away to the masses.  We just had this god damn case last year with Apple and jailbreaking, how are people forgetting this so soon?
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    #183  Edited By benjaebe
    @KaosAngel said:
    " @Faint: Uh...yeah that shit doesn't matter.  Apple tried pulling that shit last year and the judge said "uh...doesn't matter".  Once you buy something, it is yours.  You can reverse engineer it, you can break it, you can hack it, and you can give that hack away to the masses.  We just had this god damn case last year with Apple and jailbreaking, how are people forgetting this so soon? "
    You should really read my previous post.
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    #184  Edited By Evilsbane

    Regardless of what I personally think of "Big Companies" Anonymous isn't the solution and frankly some of the shit they say is downright disturbing we don't need ANother 4Chan.

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    #185  Edited By KaosAngel
    @benjaebe: Yeah, and the GeoHotz thing started with the OtherOS support, he found all the backdoors and whatnot from the Linux side.  Sony can't copyright Linux and what happens in there, they changed the licenses after the OtherOS got disabled.  Sony ain't go shit on this, and when the USAF complains about OtherOS being removed, you know you fucked up.
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    #186  Edited By benjaebe
    @KaosAngel said:

    " @benjaebe: Yeah, and the GeoHotz thing started with the OtherOS support, he found all the backdoors and whatnot from the Linux side.  Sony can't copyright Linux and what happens in there, they changed the licenses after the OtherOS got disabled.  Sony ain't go shit on this, and when the USAF complains about OtherOS being removed, you know you fucked up. "

    That has nothing to do with anything. Like, it really doesn't. This isn't about Linux at all, it's about the fact that he broke a law.
    "The principle claim in the legal dispute is potential violation of Title 17, Chapter 12, Subsection 1201 (a) (1) (A) regarding the circumvention of technological protection measures, and Subsection 1201 (a) (2) regarding the distribution of such measures"
    That has absolutely piss all to do with Linux.
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    #187  Edited By KaosAngel
    @benjaebe: Bah, Sony is just pulling straws.  They're all butt-hurt that their "pirate-proof" console is going to be ripped open.  They had close to 5 years of piracy free gaming, just man up and admit you've been hacked.  I support George and so should everyone else, he's a digital freedom fighter and a hero among mobile users.  What's going to happen is that Sony will back down, the US Government will hire him and the case goes away, or it'll just get worse for Sony.  George is going to be able to fund this trial without problem from all his donors, and he's already gained the respect of millions for what he's done before. 

    I'm willing to deal with bad days on PSN if it means Sony gains some humility and remorse.  

      
      
     
     TRACE MY IP SONY, I'M LOOKING AT THE RAP!
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    #188  Edited By yyZiggurat


    @KaosAngel: Its somewhat refreshing to see a Geohotz supporter admit this is about piracy and not being able to install Linux or using hardware you've purchased how ever you want


    @KaosAngel
    said:

    " if it means Sony gains some humility and remorse. "

    That wouldn't happen even if this was something to feel remorseful about.
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    #191  Edited By Aus_azn

    Well, their grammar needs work. They're essentially saying that they own PSN. Good job, Anonymous, you guys are morons.

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