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What's To Be Done With Dr Jones?

So with the success of Star Wars: The Force Awakens it's very likely that Disney are taking a good hard look at there other Lucasfilm property, specifically it's best IP Indiana Jones (that's right I said it. Indiana Jones >>> Star Wars). Bob Iger the Disney CEO said that a new Indiana movie was in the works a while ago but now that Force Awakens has made all the money it's very likely production has went in to overdrive. But what are some of the problems\questions of a 5th Indiana Jones movie?

  • Is Indiana Jones still relevant?

I'm going to answer this one right off: abso-bloody-lutely! It's true that a big chunk of Star Wars success is down to nostalgia but that's not the only reason. Star Wars is a riff on a universal concept, it's the combination of the always popular soft-Sci Fi of Asimov and Herbert with the epic quests and farm boy\girl turned saviour of the Lord of the Rings and Indiana Jones is the same in that it plays on the nostalgia of it's own universal concept. The Indiana movies continue a long tradition of dashing albeit slightly grumpy pulp heroes of the past like Alan Quartermain, Sinbad, James Bond and Sam Spade and combines it with the mystery and romanticization of lost civilizations. And these concepts are still relevant today, it's the reason the Tomb Raider, Uncharted and Assassin's Creed games are still popular. It's the reason the Da Vinci Code movies\books are popular. It's the reason archeologists like Sarah Parcak make it on to Colbert and it's the reason the search of Queen Nefertiti's Tomb is on the news every week.

  • Should Harrison Ford Return?

It's true that Ford pretty much nailed his return as Han Solo but I think this is mostly beacuse (Force Awake Spoilers) he got to have his big farewell scene and a significant end to his character's arc since this is something Ford has been asking for since the Empire Strikes back and I can see the only reason he would reprise is to bid Indy a final farewell. Also let's not forget that both Harrison Ford and Spielberg said they were pretty much done with the franchise after Crystal Skull which was Prequels level bad. But let's say he does want to come back, does it still work? Do you think audiences would accept Old Man Jones running through an ancient ruins filled with traps? Could you imagine the Boulder Scene playing with an over 70's Indiana?

  • Should He Be Recast?

We know that Disney are recasting Han Solo in his spin-off Star Wars movies so that's probably a sign that they aren't completely against doing the same for Indiana Jones but the question is who would play him? Personally I think the two actors with the best chops, personality and looks to pull off Dr Jone are Bradley Cooper and Chris Pratt (I mean Star Lord has essentially become a space Indiana Jones now).

  • Should He Have A Successor?

If Ford doesn't want to come back and Disney thinks recasting him would be too disruptive they could go the Force Awakens route and have a new generation take over. The original idea in Crystal Skull was since Ford would not becoming back then Shia Labeouf would be taken over in future films but let's be honest, NOBODY wants to see Mutt again let alone LaBeouf. So who else could take over? Well Indiana Jones DOES have an unnamed daughter who was originally meant to be the other main character in Crystal Skull before Mutt replaced her but she does appear in the tv show and it is canon, maybe her real name can me Indy or India? And last but not least get bloody Short Round aka Wan Li back! Give me Short Round and the Something or Other!

  • Who Should Direct?

Steven Spielberg has directed every Indiana Jones movie so far and he commented not that long ago that he thinks Harrison Ford should return in the next film. Does he know anything? Is he returning? or is he just stating his opinion? Personally I think they should go the Force Awakens route and get some new voices to direct the movie.

  • What Should The Story Be?

Is it a sequel? A prequel? A reboot? Where will it take place? When will it take place? What will be the magical macguffin that everybody is chasing? As I've said before I want it to be a prequel and tell the story of Indiana Jones and the Lost Horizon beacuse it was always meant to be canon, it was originally the beginning of the Lost Ark and told the story of Indiana Jones and Abner Ravenwood retrieving the Staff of Ra (seen in the film) from a warlord in Tibet.

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I have a hard time imagining anyone other than Ford playing the role (not counting River Phoenix). Or maybe that's just my nostalgia talking. I think Chris Pratt would actually make an excellent Indy. If the character was recast several years ago, I would also say that Aaron Eckhart would've been the perfect replacement.

If they are indeed going to make another one, I would honestly like to see Ford come back one last time, but only if he knew he was up for it. I also think Spielberg needs to direct. Part of what makes the series so amazing is that classical "movie magic" quality that Spielberg has to his directing, which I feel like he has retained throughout his career. I don't know what I would want the movie to be about, all I know is that it needs to have minimal CG and scale back on the camp factor from Crystal Skull.

And for the record, Crystal Skull is by far the worst in the series, but I also don't think it's that bad of a movie. Outside of a few really dumb moments, it's still very enjoyable.

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Nope. Let Indie retire with at least some shred of dignity.

From your lengthy post I can see you have a lot of love for the series and with The Force Awaken actually being a good movie, you must understand that the Indiana Jones is a whole different ball game.

Just leave it where is it.

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Nolan North.

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Put Chris Pratt in the role let him continue the legacy.

The role sorta fits in his wheel house.

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@mordukai: Well we know that's not even in the question because Disney is making a new one.

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@jonny_anonymous: Well, at least we'll get a funny Doctor Plinkett video review out of it so something good will come out of it.

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Saga reboot with new cast, no need to redo the original trilogy, could be a new story that re-introduces the character as many younger folks might not know the character that much,

Chris Prat would be good, I can also see Chris Evans as Indy, and Christopher Waltz as something.

I would like a modern Indy though.

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The weird fucking part about all of this is yo dawg, a studio could just come along and do what George Lucas did in the 70s and 80s. They don't have to revive Indiana Jones or Star Wars. All Lucas did was take adventure B-movies from the 50s and somehow trick studios into giving him a lavish budget to make them actually good instead of held together with duct tape and string. Abrams or Whedon or whoever could probably do the same thing if given the task, but instead they're just given the safer bet of being at the directorial helm of existing brands, instead of doing their own new shit.

Sure, Indiana Jones is a cultural icon now, but there's nothing intrinsic to the character or premise of the story that makes it amazing. I'd rather that series come to a close as Harrison Ford retires from acting, and then have some studio come up with some other adventure story that's just as fun as Indiana Jones. Make a new character that fits whichever actor you cast in the lead role! If you recast Indiana Jones, they're just going to keep trying to emulate Ford's specific mannerisms and warmth.

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Sure, Indiana Jones is a cultural icon now, but there's nothing intrinsic to the character or premise of the story that makes it amazing. I'd rather that series come to a close as Harrison Ford retires from acting, and then have some studio come up with some other adventure story that's just as fun as Indiana Jones. Make a new character that fits whichever actor you cast in the lead role!

It's a known quantity that's already extremely popular that in and of itself makes it amazing and nobody will be able to try their hand at something similar and get anywhere near as popular or relevant, just look at The Mummy series.

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@jonny_anonymous said:

@bisonhero said:

Sure, Indiana Jones is a cultural icon now, but there's nothing intrinsic to the character or premise of the story that makes it amazing. I'd rather that series come to a close as Harrison Ford retires from acting, and then have some studio come up with some other adventure story that's just as fun as Indiana Jones. Make a new character that fits whichever actor you cast in the lead role!

It's a known quantity that's already extremely popular that in and of itself makes it amazing and nobody will be able to try their hand at something similar and get anywhere near as popular or relevant, just look at The Mummy series.

I guess I would rather they try something like The Mummy, as opposed to them trotting out some other actor in the Indy costume and play that theme song again and pretend it's the same. Hell, those original movies were of a certain era of relying almost entirely on practical effects, and I don't really trust that they can figure out how to write a new Indy script that isn't as awkward as Crystal Skull was.

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I would prefer a sequel over a reboot. I've avoided watching the Crystal Skull, so I have no idea what goes on there, but I think it would be best to hand the reigns over to a younger cast like Star Wars did. They don't even have to name it Indiana Jones to bring back Ford for a cameo, since another sequel this year wasn't titled Rocky: Creed.

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It will be interesting to see what they do.

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Anyone else getting sick of Chris Pratt?

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Fuck it, make Short Round the main character.

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I always figured the logical next step would have been having an older Indy going to Brazil to find El Dorado or something, but running into Nazi's that survived the war trying to rebuild the Third Reich with El Dorado's gold. That way you keep Nazi's as villains, but with a post-war setting. That said, Kingdom of the Crystal skull is similar to that idea, but with dumb aliens, so I think that idea is off limits.

Honestly though, I think Indiana Jones is one of those few characters that can't really be replaced. People bring up Chris Pratt a lot, but he always acts like he has to remind himself that he's not in a comedy . Even in Jurassic World, he felt like he was parodying a serious, smart action hero, not actually playing one.

If he had to be recast, I'd say Patrick Wilson. He's got the right look, is a big enough name after Fargo (not to mention the rest of his career), and he's got the acting chops to pull off the character.

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if i get disney infinity indiana jones figures i'll be happy

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You know, I was one of those dudes who held the torch for a Indy 4 for so long. Last Crusade was so good and there just seemed to be so many more stories that could be told. And then the seemingly impossible dream happened and it was just meh.

After Crystal Skull, I kinda don't want anymore.

I think I'd rather have a new IP in the same vein somehow with new characters. Video games have given us Nathan Drake and Lara Croft who are basically Indy derivatives (who himself is a derivative of 30's Pulp stuff) and they work just fine, I think it's time for somebody new.