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  1. Empire Strikes Back
  2. Rogue One
  3. A New Hope
  4. Return of the Jedi
  5. Revenge of the Sith
  6. The Force Awakens
  7. The Phantom Menace
  8. The Last Jedi
  9. Attack of the Clones
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#2  Edited By SirPsychoSexy

@gundamguru said:

@vashyron: I saw the movie, man. You didn't have to recap the plot for me. Poe didn't start being a 'reckless shit' until this movie; that's what I'm talking about with him. When people say nothing happened, what they mean is that Kylo and Rey end the movie just as good/evil as they began it. Their motivations didn't change; they didn't learn anything new about themselves. Of course things happened. The Jedi/Sith cycle is restarted anew, and all that talk about letting old things die and their supposed personal connection mid-movie is complete misdirection and evaporates in the climax. Rey didn't pull herself together in this movie. Kylo says it himself, "admit what you already know." Snoke dying had about as much impact as Darth Maul dying. He was about the same amount of a character. What really disappointed me the most was that Disney offered the taste of a different kind of Star Wars story, but they were unwilling to commit. They were too caught up in pulling 'twists' on the fans.

It's okay to be in the roughly half of the audience that was satisfied with the all the subversive non-reveals, but don't dismiss the rest of us by acting like we weren't paying attention. The movie isn't disappointing because it's about failure. The movie was disappointing because it doesn't have any narrative payoff, and that's partially because everybody fails. Empire is a perfect foil of a movie where the protagonists primarily suffer setbacks but still manages to build on the previous movie. TLJ is only about tearing stuff down.

I think you hit the nail on the head. There were dozens of bizarre choices this movie made involving comedy, plot holes, useless subplots, all the Luke stuff, etc. but I can almost forgive those if I was excited about the overall story and where it goes from here. But I simply am not.

Rian and Disney had an opportunity to really take chances with this movie and the overall trilogy's story, but they backed down. In the end we are right where we started, Rey vs Kylo. Like why even have Luke mention Rey went to the Dark Side faster than anyone he had ever seen? Why tease Snoke as this mysterious character in TFA and then discard him like any other random baddie?

I watched the Kinda Funny discussion and I feel pretty similar to them. So much potential gone to waste.

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@gnomeonfire said:

People keep bringing up that this movie made a lot of bold choices, but I personally felt like they pulled back on what they could have done. Rey being nobody is fine, I actually liked that decision, but I felt like it would have been bolder to make her actually join Kylo when he offered; especially if this movie was aiming to hammer home the message of humans being prone to failure, nothing says failure like Rey giving in to the dark side. This would also give the trilogy a big narrative purpose going into the third film which I currently feel like it doesn't have.

I also thought it would've been better if they had let Finn actually sacrifice himself to try and stop the battering ram laser with his sacrifice ultimately not paying off, and only resulting in his death and the laser going off anyway. Even though I think this decision would've been more effective for the message they were going for, it might just be too dark an idea for Star Wars.

So yeah, I basically wanted this movie to end way darker than it did. Where people see boldness, I see wasted opportunity. Like, really fucking go for it if you're going to play with subverting the hero's journey shit so much, put your fucking foot down all the way man.

Exactly how I felt. They setup possibilities for interesting things to happen, but could never pull the trigger. Like why did Luke even mention that Rey went to the dark side faster than anyone he had ever seen? What came of that? Literally nothing.

And the Finn thing, oh my god that scene was completely unforgivable. Finally I thought they would kill one of these new trilogy characters and in a heroic way to boot. But nope. Instead let's have this other character who had zero chemistry with him come out and ruin his heroic moment and profess her love. And then she has that line about, why should we kill the bad guys when we can all just spread the love? I don't know, maybe because they have a massive cannon shooting at literally everyone left alive who we love? For fucks sake.

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  • The Fore Awakens rips off A New Hope: "This sucks! It's just fan service, they didn't do ANYTHING!"
  • The Last Jedi does something different: "This sucks! What about the lore? They did everything WRONG!"

Jesus Christ... some people are insufferable and never satisfied.

I don't buy that people can't be satisfied. In general people seemed to like TFA and Rogue One and audience reviews reflect this. The fact that TFA is very similar to A New Hope is one of the few knocks brought up against it. The Last Jedi was just a mess... They threw out most of the interesting things and characters TFA setup, while adding massive plot holes, and constant jokes/fan service. On top of that the story barely moved anywhere. The whole thing felt almost unnecessary.

People have very legitimate complaints against this movie. It does not seem to be hating for the sake of hating.

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@xdeser2 said:
@pyrodactyl said:
@core1065 said:

@sirpsychosexy: Holy shit, you're right!!!

The pretty much made Star Wars a marvel movie.

This is so off the mark in so many ways. Sure, this movie has more quips and one liners than I'm comfortable with but it's not overbearing or that far off of the Star Wars formula. Star Wars was always about sci fi fantasy with moments of goofy slapstick. And aside from the humor, this movie couldn't be further away from a Marvel movie. Ep 8 constantly subverts your expectations in clever ways and purposely doesn't stick to a rote formula the way ep 7 or the Marvel movies do.

I cant agree more with this. The people saying "It's just a marvel movie" are wrong.

I don't know but, Luke getting handed his dads old Lightsaber, which he has not seen since his hand was cut off and it was falling hundreds of feet down a shaft, and he just tosses it over his shoulder? That shit screams Marvel to me. So many of these moments that should be powerful or atleast taken somewhat seriously were riddled with quips. I would say it had far, far more than the average star wars movie. In fact, I honestly cannot say for sure if we went 5 minutes in this 3 hour film without some kind of joke.

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The pretty much made Star Wars a marvel movie.

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I posted this on reddit, but this pretty much sums up my feelings.

So many bizarre decisions with this movie. I am genuinely baffled at what I just watched and the fact that this movie has almost zero negative reviews.

I felt they had so many opportunities to make this trilogy interesting story wise, but botched it every single time. At the end we are basically at square one with the numbers trimmed down on both sides. And what exactly did the tracking device side story accomplish? It basically amounted to nothing because the admiral didn't feel like telling anyone her plan. And why did some random other codemaster happen to just be in their cell?

And Why did Snoke this incredibly powerful Sith Lord die to something so stupidly obvious. I came into this movie thinking he was this mysterious character that could have interesting motivations or schemes or something, anything. But no, he is completely discardable other than the fact that he had gotten into Kylo's head back when he was training with Luke.

And there was so many moments where they pretend like they are killing someone, but don't. Like Leia magically flying, Finn getting stopped at the last second (that entire thing was so comically cliche), Luke getting cut in half, Luke getting bombarded with lasers.

Also, the non stop fan service. Like fucking constantly. I don't need to see cute guinea pig things 20 different times.

Or the non stop comedy, even in supposedly serious moments. I felt like we never went 5 min without some kind of joke. They did have a few that were fantastic, but most of it was just out of place and absurd (ie Lightsaber toss over the shoulder).

I will say this movie is beautiful. It had some incredibly powerful and artistic imagery that I appreciated. I do like some of the plot ideas, such as Luke failing Kylo, or that Rey empathizes with Kylo and may join him. But as I said, they played it safe and left us with very obvious Good vs Bad in the end, moving the plot nowhere. I feel like they wanted to make it crazy and do all these wild things, but in the end it is all for nothing because they are afraid to make the same leap when it comes to the overall story. They chickened out and it sucks.

Also, wtf is with luke disappearing at the end? Fine I'll let him do his force hologram stuff, but just coming to peace with himself and vanishing from existence? Such a strange fucking movie.

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It is always fun to watch people go off script and be super passionate about something during these kind of shows. Sure it wasn't tasteful, but I can't fault people for enjoying his segment or praising him

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#9  Edited By SirPsychoSexy

Damn looks like he did really well

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For consoles I do. That way I have less to DL and I can sell it back if I want