Giant Bombcast 442: Hair Products and Turkey Bacon

Those Quake abilities sound like abilities from the Shadowrun game on the 360. @jeff@brad Might be a good option for a UPF. I highly doubt people are still playing it tho. You could still do bot matches maybe?

@xymox I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that Drew used to stand a bunch. But that was maybe in another studio and definitely before he had to man the video controls.

Ah yes. The Iron Galaxy Trio. One of my favorite Hanna Barbara cartoons. Adam Boyes with mastery over vapors, Dave Lang with the power to increase his size and mass at will, and Chelsea Blasko with the ability to fly and control gravity. He's not here but would Johnny V be Birdman in this equation? Some great guests for sure. These dudes crack me up every time. Glad to have Jeff back to bring some much needed salt and pepper to the steak that is the Bombcast. Maybe some butter too. What the hell am I even typing?

I really wish we could've gotten through this without bringing up Rami Ismali's article. Screw that guy. He wants to talk about patch cert when he couldn't get even basic fixes through Sony cert once. Say what you will about whether No Man's Sky delivers on peoples' lofty expectations, the dev team responsible plans to support it and implement as much cool stuff as their budget and fragile game engine can muster. I'm not denying that the cert process for patching games is convoluted. However as well as one could articulate how hard the process is, Vlambeer should put their money where the mouth is and service their damn customers. Maybe some indie devs just suck at programming...period. All I know is that Nuclear Throne first patch on PS4 is currently in cert for like the fifth time and I fully expect it to fail as it has failed for 8 months straight. But who knows, I might be eating my words in the next few days, or 8 months.

Thanks as always for the podcast. Apologies for the vitriol.

I agree with you on this mostly because they don't have the time to put into it. They are huge time sinks. How long does it take someone on Ark to because self sufficient? How can you put a quick look at the very beginning of it and not get ganked or raided or people knowing their gamer tag and just being completely stupid during their stream?

Yes they are popular. Yes there is a crazy dedicated player base. But, just like Eve Online, they just don't have the time to commit.

I was kinda sickened by the lengths they went to defend No Man Sky. Like it can do no wrong.

"Its a small team, you cannot have that big expectations!" Well then don't sell it for 60 dollars and market it as if its the biggest and most unique game ever. There are games for 20 dollars with way more content on Steam, also survival open world games with procedural generation.

Also I think the entire marketing campaign for the game has been full of deceit. Like they were always very cautious about showing or even talking outright about the game. Every sentence has always been intentionally vague. And now we have caught Sean Murray outright lying. He said the game has multiplayer, two people met up and they cannot see each other. Its an outright lie.

@bugberry: "The differences between the planets being how much grass and what color is it." -Brad

That's not $60 worth of content. This isn't The Witcher 3, or Battlefield 4, or Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. This is an indie game being sold for full price. I will not give it the benefit of holding it to an indie game's standard when it's being sold for $60 retail. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. With that said, I'm waiting for the PC release and I really hope it's an awesome game. I'm scared it'll get repetitive and boring fairly quickly however. No one will really know until it's out for a couple days and people can sink 20+ hours into it.

You really didn't, and you are inflating the term 'broken'.

lmao

Who's that fucker in the baseball cap?

Dr. Lang.

@tunacat: literally 3 seconds later Adam came in and told him there was more variety in the planets than that as he had played a pre-release build and spent like 30+ hours with the game, but ok.

Rami Ismail of Vlambeer Games (Nuclear Throne, Luftrausers) wrote an enlightening article discussing Day 1 patches and the cert process for console games.

http://ramiismail.com/2016/08/patch-the-process/

Worst part about sneezing every 20 minutes is that id have something remind me that 20 minutes just pasted all the time. Reminding me of the inevitible, crushing passage of time.

Not gonna lie I'm loving the video format

@mandelbrot: Have you no respect for Rev.,Dr. Lang

Bespoke elements

bummer, this would have been a really fun one to have as a video cast.

I don't know, if I spent literally years building a product I would not mind charging $60 in the slightest. I earned it! Video games are hard.

He did come pretty close to saying his wife was a whore, right? I'm not the only one who heard that? I saw Jason make a face, he heard it.

Nothing like a full priced indie game to bring out the entitled, whiney gamers. Don't think the game is worth the price? Great, don't buy it. But pontificating endlessly and getting upset at other people for buying and enjoying the game? That's just sad.

Ah, Iron Galaxy. Crappy developers extrodinaire.

It's pretty silly to expect them to have formed coherent opinions of NMS after only playing it for a few hours. I'm sure they're have more useful things to say by next week. As ever, buying games you're unsure of before critical consensus has settled down is kinda dumb.

Echoes my thoughts. I'm a preview member for Xbox One and while each release generally gets 4 out of 5 stars by other members, I continue to rate it a 3 but only because of the initial boot up slowness. While I find it unacceptable, it is fine after half a minute at most. After that, the UI is speedy enough. The overly negative chat primarily from Jeff that lasted a few minutes was awkward, including the dead silence from the developers on the podcast.

ahhhh, Yoot Saito. for a second I thought Noob Saibot was making phone games

I can't read or watch Rami anymore, his Twitter tantrums have completely soured my view of the guy

@dan_citi: Weird that the former vice president of publisher and developer relations at Sony would say that. I like Adam, but come on. He was very likely the person who got Hello Games to agree to let them publish.

@xymox: I believe he did used to do them standing up I remember them mentioning him being the odd one out for not sitting. He probably has to sit now since he has to manage all the transitions since its a video podcast and not just audio anymore.

@ferenz: Huh? When was that?

I mean, to make your life easier, you should probably view Giantbomb as the Entertainment Tonight of the games industry.

I know Boyes left Sony but man, I had to second guess that sometimes with his constant spinning.

Trying to convince everyone they don't actually want cross platform play. And GB crew just agreeing.

Just wish Jeff was as pretty as Mary Hart. Brad is a more handsome John Tesh.

I don't care who made a game. If I know I'm going to spend hours and hours playing it, then $60 is more than worth it.,

I would rather spend that then spend $15 on 4 games I'm playing for a few hours.

Trying to make something big (and every game, not just No Man's Sky, is big in some way) work for everyone while executing on the initial vision and having a perfectly projected budget is almost impossible. You can iterate and iterate and iterate and iterate and iterate until the cows come home, but you eventually have to ship something, and you need to hit the biggest targets possible and try to fix what you can down the road.

if someone can't play, then someone can't play. It sucks, but that's what it is. The paying customer *as an individual* IS the least important part of the equation.

@pakattak: if that's the case then games really are in trouble, since it's those individuals that keep the industry afloat.

Roku version is broken about 10 minutes into the podcast.

@mojovonious: yes! Who wouldn't want to play a game where you couldn't play with your friends, chat with them, or build strategies with them! That sounds amazing!

I don't understand it either. The content of the bombcast is more relevant to the date the episode is released and not the order that they are released. Dates are much more appropriate in this situation.

This took way longer than I should've spent to animate. but some things are worth animating.

Apologizes for the bluring and artefacting compression. TVPaint doesn't like exporting anything that's not a 2gig .avi.

About the last topic: Cross play between games.

Adam and Dave kept mentioning that it doesn't offer anything and brings convoluted menu's and solutions to games. Yet people seem to like the idea behind it. Apparently Rocket League implemented this recently. How is this implemented? Are you tied to a psyonic account or something? Is the crossplay as messy as it was described here? Is it possible to group up with someone using a different platform?

I tried Tap Tycoon on Jeff's mention, and now tried Egg, Inc. I don't quite agree with his assessment of the... goodness of the paid stuff. These incremental games are all about setting stuff up so it goes while you don't play, and then come back to an amassed wealth. Egg, Inc. limits that to two hours without checking in. After two hours, you don't get shit. You can pay 5 bucks to extend that, or spend a sizeable amount of the golden egg currency Jeff talked about to increase it by 6 minute increments. That's really shitty. Good game otherwise, though. I like the systems, and the premise of it. Shame that it has that paywall dragging it down, at least in my opinion.

And yeah, the comments for the audio and video versions should be merged somehow. Feelin' like a second-class citizen over here.

@onemanarmyy: I think that they ended up summing it up well. For something simple like Rocket League, it might be possible and fun. But when it comes to getting your friend lists assembled and chatting and stuff, it would be a pain.

Destiny is a good example - for me and my work friends, it was a chat room with shooting. What I wouldn't want to do is have to create a new friends list for that and then use a 3rd party voice chat app to talk.

I think people like the idea in the abstract without necessarily thinking about how much work it takes to get the connectivity beyond just game data working.

@inspectorfowler: I assumed that Rocket League already implemented the crossplay since they got the green light from Sony, so i wondered what their solution was.

@thebooya: Yeah, why would you want a larger pool of players across platforms to play against. When I play rocket league on PC and see someone who's playing on a PS4 or Xbox One, I scoff and immediately Alt-F4 out.

Even if we don't get cross platform chat, game invites, etc, at least put us in the same pool for matchmaking and as the idea of cross platform grows, maybe next generation, every other bell and whistle could come along.

But hey, glad to see where your allegiances lie.

When did Jeff get married?

Really into these video podcasts.

http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/giant-bombcast-442-hair-products-and-turkey-bacon-/2300-11486/

@tunacat: Just because it doesn't have a huge variance between it's locations doesn't mean it's less worthy. Not every game of the same price has $60 worth of levels or $60 worth of playable characters. For the people that like the kind of game NMS is, $60 is worth it to them.

makes it alot easier to keep track of which ones you have seen/heard with the numbers there