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Edited By McBlemmen

I've never seen an MMO go downhill and die as fast as wildstar did lol.... Really goes to show how MMO's have changed and that the old ways of doing it (wich this game was very much trying to do to capture the "vanilla wow was so much better derpaderp crowd') just don't work anymore.

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Posted By Matoyak

@ares42 said:

They are not games about instant gratification (although there is some of that in there as well), they are games about gratification through achievement. And that is the part that they (and most of the negative comments here) don't connect with.

So,...are you saying the GB guys don't connect with games that aren't about instant gratification? Hurm. I can think of a good few games just off the top of my head that are far from that, ones the GB crew love. WoW, The Souls games, Animal Crossing, Fighting Games, MOBAs, Spelunky... just off the top of my head.

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Posted By DedBeet

Really hate the art style in this game, for some reason. Not sure why since I'm ok with the art style of Torchlight which seems similar to this. I think it's over exaggerated animation couple with this art that's putting me off.

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Edited By kappamerc

The worst part about this Quick Look is that they demoed the early game... Very disappointed.

Also based on the comments there is so much hate for the game... I don't get it. Sure the first 1-8ish levels are boring, but if you hate questing you can just level entirely via pvp starting at level 6.

The combat when combined with the well thought out dungeons and extremely addictive pvp are what really make this game shine.

My thoughts based on up to level 40 content:

  • Dungeons (level 20, 35, etc...) are extremely well planned and take a level skill to complete. Not dark souls hard but you will die, learn intuitively from your mistakes, and try again. Extremely intense boss fights.
  • Combat combat combat, it's great. It doesn't really ramp up until you get 7-8 of your skill slots unlocked and start really messing with amps(passive buffs) and tier 4-8 skill boosts(active buffs).
  • PvP is amazing. I gained about 30 levels from PvP alone. Tons of potential here.
  • Housing is actually meaningful in ways. Not a bad touch at all. Good way to personalize your space in the game and gain something from it.
  • Questing Tasks in the game suck, avoid them.
  • Adventures are OK. Wasn't blown away by them.
  • Questing Zone Story and Regional Story quests are alright, need to do these if you're questing. Be sure to always do quests that are 1 level above you, much better experience and the game moves at a good pace this way with decent difficulty.
  • Questing World Story can be interesting throughout the game.
  • Raiding is supposed to be fun, haven't done it yet, PvP!

My thoughts. If you enjoyed vanilla WoW and haven't really been able to get into what WoW has to offer over the past few expansions, Wildstar is that game. It's the first MMO since WoW to give me that new game feeling of 'holy crap this is awesome.'

That said, 1-12 can be a little slow depending on what you like. I still highly recommend this game for the Vanilla WoW vets out there. I played the crap out of Warcraft back in the day.

At the very least, get to level 20 and do the first two dungeons. You will be hooked.

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Posted By Dan_CiTi

@white said:

@chumm said:

@white: meme-y, as in an adjective for a thing that is saturated with memes. Brad sucks and games but he's good at english! :P

Google says the adjective of "meme" is "memetic".

That would refer to the original or "proper" definition of meme, where as Brad is referring to the Internet "inside joke(s)" that have spawned from 4chan and the like. Though they are sort of the same thing, the "modern" one holds a certain tone and plenty of baggage, especially since these jokes are ran through and made old and tired quickly.

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Posted By Tikicobra

Has there ever been a quick look of an MMO that didn't open with /dance?

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Edited By saltwaterdiode

I like it when Brad drives.

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Edited By COCKHORSE1

This game looks like a cool dude with a rude "tude."

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Posted By TheTerribleFamiliar

@darkest4 said:

@theterriblefamiliar said:

Ugh... MMOs. I will never understand the attraction. This just looks like a way to grind away your time without having any fun while you wait to die in real life.

Jeff sums it up for me --

Jeff: "Is it a fruit picking challenge?"

Brad: "Yep"

Jeff: "... ... fun."

The funny part about that is Jeff will spend countless hours doing exactly that in Animal Crossing....

As for understanding the attraction, people have different tastes and some people like me even enjoying "grinding" sometimes because they like multitasking. I haven't played a proper MMO in years now but I had fun while I did play them and sometimes I just want a game with somewhat mindless grinding so I can watch Netflix or listen to a podcast at the same time, I'm an obsessive multitasker who sometimes gets bored focusing on only one thing at a time so sometimes a "grind" is a perfect secondary activity to occupy my hands and part of my brain and scratches a certain itch. Plus of course there's great multiplayer experiences to be had if you find the right group of people to play with.

I guess that makes sense. I'd personally rather fully engage in one experience - be it gaming or otherwise, but I see how something like this MMO would be good for someone looking for what you are describing. Each to their own.

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Edited By Evelgest

Brad has the same complaint about MMOs and repeats what he's looking for specifically. A game that rewards exploration. That game already exists and is called Guild Wars 2. Say what you want about its end game and gear progression, but it's a great casual MMO that allows and rewards exploration.

I played a couple beta weekends of WildStar, and it wasn't for me.

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Edited By darkest4

@theterriblefamiliar said:

Ugh... MMOs. I will never understand the attraction. This just looks like a way to grind away your time without having any fun while you wait to die in real life.

Jeff sums it up for me --

Jeff: "Is it a fruit picking challenge?"

Brad: "Yep"

Jeff: "... ... fun."

The funny part about that is Jeff will spend countless hours doing exactly that in Animal Crossing....

As for understanding the attraction, people have different tastes and some people like me even enjoying "grinding" sometimes because they like multitasking. I haven't played a proper MMO in years now but I had fun while I did play them and sometimes I just want a game with somewhat mindless grinding so I can watch Netflix or listen to a podcast at the same time, I'm an obsessive multitasker who sometimes gets bored focusing on only one thing at a time so sometimes a "grind" is a perfect secondary activity to occupy my hands and part of my brain and scratches a certain itch. Plus of course there's great multiplayer experiences to be had if you find the right group of people to play with.

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Posted By Deus7447

Good effort to become a Wildstar hating beacon.

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Posted By Thuggish

I love this game.

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Posted By mattchops

Can you play a paladin? A space paladin?

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Edited By CDUB901

@verio said:

...and in other news Giant Bomb and community continues to hate MMOs.

I don't know why you guys even cover the genre -_-

The guys were actually a lot less harsh than I thought they would be...near the end even Jeff said this looks alright. Sure, there was dismissive comments throughout, but IMO it's warranted because this does nothing to push the genre forward

Besides, if they don't cover the genre then people will bitch for not giving it a chance. Then the guys give it a chance and it's not their cup of tea and the fans bitch anyways. No pleasing fans of a certain genre or game unless the guys absolutely love it. And even then someone will bitch that they liked that game over some other game.

Welcome to the internet. It's a vicious cycle

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Posted By MachoFantastico

I played through the beta, which was fun but a number of issues hurt the enjoyment. Started FFXIV recently to which might mean I'll give this one a miss.

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Posted By hollitz

Man. The "humor" in this game is fucking grating. Probably still going to try it with a few friends just to see if it's tolerable.

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Posted By Gyrfal

WILDSTAR HIP HOP

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Posted By tourgen

seems like an awful lot of money to ask for a game like this. the general design and even the gfx look 5-10 years old.

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Edited By ThatOneDudeNick

Looks like a good MMO. If the biggest complaint that people have about it is that it's not drastically different than other mmos, that's fine by me. I never cared about too many fetch/kill quests, because that's not why I play MMOs, and that's not where I spend most of my time. I care about raiding, and that seems to be great in WildStar. When I played beta, PvP was fun, but kind of all over the place. That probably needs work. If I wanted to play an MMO, WildStar seems like a great one to play.

Also, it's kind of silly to quick look the early parts of an MMO. Maybe they'll revisit this and do some actual dungeons and PvP?

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Posted By SSully

I never play MMO's, but I think this actually looks pretty cool. Too bad its 60 bucks plus a subscription. That is asking a lot for a game I am not even sure I will like.

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Posted By Robopengy

Brad. Brad! That pronunciation of meme!

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Posted By revel

Alex... The characters style are no more exaggerated (in the waist) than in The Incredibles movie. Were you irked by that movie too?

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Posted By fox01313

One thing for me that kills interest in MMOs like this is the art style, glad GB took a look at this as definitely not getting this as it just looks too cartoony.

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Edited By kylenalepa

WARNING: Game of Thrones spoilers in chat on the video. First noticed it around the 31-32 minute mark. DO NOT WATCH FULLSCREEN IF YOU CARE ABOUT GoT. The internet at large has been fucking me relentlessly over the past few days regarding this show. People are assholes. /groan

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Posted By Zurv

level 10 is very early in the starting zone. getting to 15+ is super faster.

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Posted By Osiris

Is it me or does Jeff sound genuinely interested in trying this. He is always so negative about MMOs! Anyway, I played the Beta.. it is actually quite good and very much the same but also not as WoW... hard to explain. They seem to have taken what WoW had from TBC and taken it a different (maybe what a lot of people are missing from WoW) route. Will buy this after the summer, for sure.

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Posted By Osiris

I dug the Nom Nom Nom... people need to stop being too serious at some point.

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Posted By OneDollarWilliam

During this Quick Look, inside of 30 seconds, Alex repeated exactly what I had said out loud to no one twice. The first time wasn't a big surprise as "Capital City?" seems like a pretty common reference to me, but when it was immediately followed up with the portmanteau "Bilz-zm" I was a little overwhelmed by the sympatico nature of the situation.

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Posted By Rorie

I think I speak for everyone when I say that we'll have to wait until @rorie gets to sink his teeth into this. If anyone can give the game a fair shake, it's him.

I started it last night and kinda dig it. When I get to dungeons I'll try streaming some.

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Posted By thebunnyhunter

"More than League of Legends" in reference to Wildstars number of battleground maps, which was said to be 2, is false. League of Legends has 4 maps: Summoners Rift, Twisted Treeline, Howling Abyss, and the Crystal Scar, so that is 4 maps. If you said DOTA 2 then you'd be right. Also the statement was highly irrelevant Rorie....which is just like Rorie.

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Edited By thebigJ_A

Didn't everybody agree that WoW was a horrible mistake and they were all so ashamed they'd never speak of it, or play anything like it, again?

Or was that that dream I had where we live in an honorable and just society instead of... well, a society where people choose to play WoW and WoW-alikes.

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Posted By Allison

The month of FFXIV I was able to play completely ruined me on MMOs. Free-to-play is inherently low bar and games that require you to buy and then pay a subscription fee is just too much for me to sustain. 14 had a level of polish and customization that just set it far above anything else I've played. "Raids" don't require you to be max level and jump through a ton of hoops to unlock, you're allowed to create a mage and later on if you decide this is no fun can simply talk to the axeman and he'll let you be a warrior now. There is a healthy amount of ways to level up and even when you're gearing up for your max level dreams, there's a variety of things to do that keep you from being too bored.

It's a model I don't expect any other MMO to adapt and it makes it really hard for me to look at new ones and go yes, this is truly what I desire. Furthermore it doesn't help that a lot of games model after WoW to this day when.. that model of MMO is severely outdated, despite being an "easy nostalgia" hook.

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Posted By Afroofdoom

Only played in a few of the Wildstar betas and have no intention of buying it (it really is just another WoW-style MMO when you get right down to it), but Holy Fuck this QL made it look worse than it is.

The combat is meant to be all about movement, dodging enemy cones of damage while lining up as many enemies as you can in your cone of damage. It's dynamic, it's fast, it's tactical, it's fun.

Brad admitted that he "sleep walked" through the early easy parts, which explains why he got destroyed in this video by not engaging with the mechanics. It's not rocket science (avoid the red ground, get as many red things as you can in the blue ground) but you'd god-damn well think it was watching this.

In summary: Wildstar not very good, this QL even worse.

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Posted By kishinfoulux

Rorie is the only guy on the staff who ever seems to heavily engage in MMOs enough to give a reasonably full perspective on new MMOs when they come out. I like Brad's contributions to everything on this site, but I really would like to see Rorie in the driver's seat for the next MMO QL.

Last time that happened we got the FFXIV Quick Look, which was infuriating. It's not WOW. I get it.

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Posted By Ares42

@ildon: MMOs have one central feature that in some way speaks to pretty much anyone that sticks around with them for a long time, persistance. No matter what kinda content you enjoy or what playstyle you like, the reason you come back to MMOs is because you enjoy the fact that you have built something up and it gives you goals to keep building.

They are not games about instant gratification (although there is some of that in there as well), they are games about gratification through achievement. And that is the part that they (and most of the negative comments here) don't connect with.

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Posted By MATATAT

It's kinda interesting on here how fractured people are about MMOs are on GB. Seems to be either love it or hate it and how close it is to WoW.

Also seemed kinda weird when Brad was saying he was looking for a Elder Scrolls/Fallout experience from an MMO. I kinda thought ESO would be sorta like that, and to a minimal degree, sorta had some of that. But then I realized that having that stuff in an MMO is pointless. Like having that experience in a large multiplayer setting wouldn't really work or be fun. I can't imagine MMOs ever going in that direction.

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Posted By ildon

@ares42: It is absolutely ludicrous to me that any one person thinks they can speak for a group as diverse as "the MMO player base."

There are people who love raiding, and people who hate raiding. People who think they should be able to solo everything, people who think everything should require a group. People who love PvP, people who loathe PvP. People who just want to explore an open world, people who want a tightly spun narrative with highly directed questing. People who want a more "actiony" game that requires good reflexes and people who want to be able to play while watching a movie. People who think every decision you make should be permanent and character-defining, and people who want to be able to respec/reroll even their class/race/gender on the same character.

Literally any opinion or position you can have regarding MMO game design, you can find a significant number of people on either side of the issue (often with seemingly contradictory positions on different subjects).

So I kind of fail to see how Rorie's opinion is any more or less valid than your own or some MMO-specific site's reviewer.

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Posted By Tenorsounds

@ildon: Literally my first comment on Giant Bomb and I'm being hounded for asking a simple question. What's your problem, dude?

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Edited By ildon

@tenorsounds: So you can't even provide your own "nuanced" view, even when directly prompted? Doesn't that tell you something?

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Posted By ChanceFurlong

Have to agree with the sentiment that you can't really tell much about an MMO in the first couple of hours. What was shown was essentially still the tutorial area - which is indeed easy (although Brad still managed to die there, bless him <3)

Seems pretty cool so far. The path system, telegraph/dodge system, and generally mobility make it a fun world to explore/fight in.

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Posted By bacongames

I think at this point if we're to discuss the relative state and interest in a genre like MMO's, it's absolutely valuable to consider and maintain reference to the particular interaction between business models and game design/player experience. It's undeniable that the content glut and "depth" of MMO's are most certainly related to their particular interest in getting you in for the first month and then having enough to do to keep you coming back for a long time.

Considering they've complained, and largely rightly so, that being confronted with a purchasing decision woven in the player experience deters them from most free to play games, it holds that the particular design legacy of MMO's is similar tied to its business model. Otherwise, you'd get something that's a lot looser, weirder, or single-player. It makes me wonder then how much speculative cash has been dumped into the genre over the decades in chasing the dragon that is WoW compared to general interest. Certainly interest was there once prodded but without all this cash to justify competition and also-rans, I wonder how niche MMO's would have remained. Then again, I'm sure someone would have tried what WoW did and eventually get us back to the same place.

For full disclosure I'm quite negative of the formula myself and so I naturally have the bias that they're too much content of conversely lesser quality than a crafted single-player thing like Skyrim or Mass Effect. The exception to all of this is indeed the inter-player dynamics in MMO's both gameplay-wise and socially but by now things like guilds are an assumed part of the genre formula along with everything else.

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Posted By MeatSim

Played a little of the open beta a few weeks ago and the terrible mini-map and the lame humor and writing quickly killed my interest in this.

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Posted By Sesquipedaliant

Very frustrating to watch and uninformative (plenty of false info, though). I've never played the game, but from just watching the (many) trailers as they came out, I seem to know more about Wildstar than everyone in the room combined. Not asking that they play for 50+ hours, but at least one of them could've spent five minutes during research on what the game is- seeing how this is a video game site- or at least read some of that text on the screen. Did the same thing for ESO, so not surprised.

That said, a usually entertaining video, though still recovering from my face-palm when Brad referred to the Mordesh as " the Dark Elves."

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Posted By Pires82

I've played the CBT last month and just couldn't get into it, don't know why, it's polished, has a nice look and combines alot of good features from other MMOs, but it didn't grab me at all, it certainly grabs me even less knowing that it has a monthly fee. Wildstar brings absolutely nothing new to the table, it feels like a F2P game already, which i think it will eventually become, or at least buy to play, like Guild Wars 2.

If there weren't FREE quality MMORPGs out there like Rift, Aion, Tera, Age of Wushu (guess what, aside from AoW, all mentioned had monthly fees as well), maybe i would consider subscribing, but why would i want to pay 15$ a month, when i can get the same features for free elsewhere?

Good quick look BTW. :)

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Edited By white

@chumm said:

@white: meme-y, as in an adjective for a thing that is saturated with memes. Brad sucks and games but he's good at english! :P

Google says the adjective of "meme" is "memetic".

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Edited By Chumm

@white: meme-y, as in an adjective for a thing that is saturated with memes. Brad sucks and games but he's good at english! :P

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Edited By rabbithearted

So, uh, does anyone else feel like the story/lore of this game is really, really poorly done and forced? I got a guest pass and started playing yesterday and even after going out of my way to look up background and lore I couldn't get into it because none of it seemed remotely reasonable to me.

I think what bothers me the most is the Dominion seem like they're dicks just to be dicks. I know the reasoning they hate the Exiles so much but the reasoning just seems so stupid. Especially after playing up to a point in both the Exile and Dominion paths it basically seems like it boils down to "these people hate trees and these other people love trees, fuck putting thought into this."

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Posted By Tenorsounds

@ildon: Just wanted to know a little more about the guy's opinion, no need to attribute any more to it than that. I appreciate your take on it, but it's a big assumption to think that everyone looks at something the exact same way you do with no room for a more nuanced view.

You might be right in the end, but there's no harm in asking.