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Apple, EA Deny Relationship Over Plants vs. Zombies 2

Both companies publicly deny exclusivity was paid for on iOS.

Apple and Electronic Arts have both vehemently denied the existence of a paid agreement between the two companies to ensure Plants vs. Zombies 2 launched first on iOS.

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These denials are in response to a story I filed yesterday, which featured a comment made by a high-level EA executive about Android.

“Apple gave us a truckload of money to delay the Android version [of Plants vs Zombies 2],” said Frank Gibeau, former head of EA Labels and now in charge of EA Mobile.

This quote was confirmed by multiple sources attending an employee-only Electronic Arts town hall, and was verified by other sources who came forward after the story published.

Nonetheless, an EA spokesperson today called the story categorically "not true."

This expands on a statement from the company last night.

“A comment from an internal meeting taken out of context has created an unfortunate misunderstanding,” said a company spokesperson in a statement yesterday. “Reports of a paid relationship between Apple and EA are factually inaccurate, and we apologize for any confusion.”

Plants vs Zombies 2 launched on Android in early September but only in China. According to Gibeau’s other comments at the meeting, the Android version has been outselling (which most likely means more installs, not necessarily monetization) the iOS version six-to-one in China. The international version will roll out in October.

Not long after the story was published, Apple quickly issued a denial, as well. A spokesperson painted the allegation that Apple paid for the exclusive debut of Plants vs. Zombie 2 as “not true.”

Using the term “paid” in the headline may have been overreaching on my part. Based on Gibeau’s comments, which is reporting that I continue to stand by, it’s more likely the companies entered into an agreement that ensured promotion of Plants vs. Zombies 2 in a very meaningful capacity. Promotion on the App Store is extremely powerful, and can make or break a game’s success. The idea that Apple would think of leveraging this opportunity to broker deals is not a crazy one, but I’m also surprised at the flurry of responses from both Apple and EA in regards to this story. This is common practice in the video game industry. In any other case, it wouldn’t even be a story, but where there is smoke, there is fire. I smell smoke here. Did Apple deliver a briefcase of cash to EA? No. Do I believe there was some agreement between the two? More than ever.

You don’t make a comment about “truckloads of money” unless there’s something to back it up.

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The best part about this is that it's news specifically because EA and Apple have just made it news.

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Is this to cover up some proxy war with google that Apple does not want to enter into? Patrick I hope youre reading this, but their obviously is a philosophy at Apple to never acknowledge competition. (Mark Cuban mindset) To work in a bubble in order to leave your customers in a bubble concerning softwares. I personally own apple products and I guess their fear is Google will start defining to the masses about operating systems while Apple hopes to keep the masses in the dark by making them believe there is no Linux. Hopefully Google sees this and steps it up in competition. I personally like how Apple products handle UI wise which I've always supported. Android is to clunky for me, but I don't want Apple treating me as if I'm an idiot. Which is what they are doing here.

Google already knows. Google has anticipated this. Google has already won.

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This is news?

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THESE MOTHERFUCKERS CALLIN SCOOPS A LIAR

LOOK'S LIKE SOMEONE'S GONNA GET GOT BLAT BLAT

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@pandabear: It's news because it is information being reported. If it doesn't pertain to your interests, it is still news. I find it interesting, and worth commenting on. If you did not think it was interesting, then why are you commenting?

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keep diggin scoops! :D

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THESE MOTHERFUCKERS CALLIN SCOOPS A LIAR

LOOK'S LIKE SOMEONE'S GONNA GET GOT BLAT BLAT

ALL Y'ALL MOTHERFUCKERS GOIN' DOWN. EA? YOU TOO. APPLE? YOU TOO.

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Scoops knows what's up!

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Due to this EA will not send the Bombcrew Pizzas anymore.

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PvZ2 was a much anticipated game. The previous game was available on Android. The Chinese version of PvZ2 is available on Android. However it is launched as an iOS exclusive pissing off a whole lot of Android users. I think a story that explains why this happened is news. That the story has been picked up by half the bloody tech media probably backs that up. Of course I'm spending my time commenting on it so I could be biased...

Dead Rising 3 was originally in development for PC and Xbox One, then Microsoft paid to have it made exclusively for Xbox One. Essentially one company paid another for exclusivity. Apple paid to get a game exclusively... it's not unusual in the industry. In fact this is just a timed exclusive, so it's not even that bad. I mean does it matter that much that it's front page news? This is a Twitter post at best.

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HOW DARE THEY CALL OUR SCOOPS A LIAR! But really, not a big deal. Important in terms of gaming on mobile, but not really in terms of companies exchanging money or services for exclusivity. It is hilarious to see all the vehement denials though.

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I also have no difficulty believing that Apple compensated EA for timed exclusivity, simply because if EA had a Chinese version ready for Android in September, they would not withhold it for no reason.

However, stating categorically what an employee says (in a comm meeting or no) is proof is kind of crazy. Worthy of reporting? Certainly. Proof that there's something there? Not really.

Anyway, again, the release situation (schedule) is proof enough. It is no harder to believe this is a compensated timed exclusive than it was for Rock Band 2 or for Titanfall.

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That's the end of that chapter.

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typo in the first line

Patrick is the Lois Lane of reporting. I mean that in a best way possible.

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The reason Apple and EA are responding to this has to do with Apple's recent legal history. They were recently considered a party in some shady deals to break Amazon's market position when it came to ebooks. Specifically price fixing. The publishers they made these deals with were also hit with damages.

So I imagine any claim of a deal that might seem shady to someone is going to get a response from Apple for the forseeable future.

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Is this to cover up some proxy war with google that Apple does not want to enter into? Patrick I hope youre reading this, but their obviously is a philosophy at Apple to never acknowledge competition. (Mark Cuban mindset) To work in a bubble in order to leave your customers in a bubble concerning softwares. I personally own apple products and I guess their fear is Google will start defining to the masses about operating systems while Apple hopes to keep the masses in the dark by making them believe there is no Linux. Hopefully Google sees this and steps it up in competition. I personally like how Apple products handle UI wise which I've always supported. Android is to clunky for me, but I don't want Apple treating me as if I'm an idiot. Which is what they are doing here.

Problem is that Android is already well established. Yeah, iPhones and iPads are the highest individual sellers, but that's because there's only one of each, compared to hundreds if not thousands of choices for Android devices. Google's a legitimate force, and Apple's just admitted that by paying EA off.

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Scoooooooooooooooooooops!

Get out the newsman hat!

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We keep hearing how Microsoft, Google, Apple and others are "fighting for the living room". Now we know they are also fighting for the bathroom.

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Is this to cover up some proxy war with google that Apple does not want to enter into? Patrick I hope youre reading this, but their obviously is a philosophy at Apple to never acknowledge competition. (Mark Cuban mindset) To work in a bubble in order to leave your customers in a bubble concerning softwares. I personally own apple products and I guess their fear is Google will start defining to the masses about operating systems while Apple hopes to keep the masses in the dark by making them believe there is no Linux. Hopefully Google sees this and steps it up in competition. I personally like how Apple products handle UI wise which I've always supported. Android is to clunky for me, but I don't want Apple treating me as if I'm an idiot. Which is what they are doing here.

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@chose said:

Then why doesn't it release everywhere else at the same time as China? The localizations are all done. The game is running on Android. Then why the delay? EA would never do that unless $$$$$$$, because EA wants $$$$$$$.

This. The denials by both parties are a joke and three quarters. EA doesn't give exclusivity for any reason other than money.

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I hope everyone starts calling him Frank "Stitches" Gibeau from now on.

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For the people in the "why is this news" camp, Patrick states the reason in his original article - "What it does indicate, however, is that Apple is acting more like a traditional video game platform holder than we might have previously speculated."

It was reported because it is unusual behaviour from Apple that may be indicative of a new strategy or business model for iOS concerning games going forward from this point.

The reason that it is news for a follow up is that despite being common practice in the games industry (as Patrick himself states several times), both companies are being so "vehement" in denying that any such deal had taken place. Even though, as the above comments show, most people wouldn't really care if they admitted that it had.

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Then why doesn't it release everywhere else at the same time as China? The localizations are all done. The game is running on Android. Then why the delay? EA would never do that unless $$$$$$$, because EA wants $$$$$$$.

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wouldn't surprise me at all if companies pay to get these exclusives because there really isn't a reason to go exclusive otherwise limiting your market isn't a very smart move if there isn't something in it for you to do so.

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PvZ2 was a much anticipated game. The previous game was available on Android. The Chinese version of PvZ2 is available on Android. However it is launched as an iOS exclusive pissing off a whole lot of Android users. I think a story that explains why this happened is news. That the story has been picked up by half the bloody tech media probably backs that up. Of course I'm spending my time commenting on it so I could be biased...

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This is not a big deal. Even in the start. I think this is just Scoops trying to not be called out. It was a dumb report and the quote was a bad one. I think this is Scoops fault. Keep up the good work, but remember this is not it.

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@williamhenry said:

@morningstar said:

Why is this such a big deal? It's not the first time it has happened and not the last.

Because Apple likes to distance itself from being a game publisher as much as possible. They act like they are above games and that games are only a fraction of the reason why people use their devices. So for them to do something like this, it goes against that whole mindset.

Games ARE only a fraction of their services. Hardware makes up the majority of their profits, which they put out in their earnings call, which anyone can look up. They have never said they are above games, they always demo a game to show off their latest hardware. The conclusions people are jumping to are really bizarre.

In any case, I'm also in the "why is this news?" camp.

Microsoft use their resources to the development of Gear of War by Epic and we're all ok with that. Sony get an exclusive contract with thatgamecompany for Journey, Flower and Flow and that's fine too. Apple pay EA to for a timed exclusive on Plants vs Zombies 2 outside of China and suddenly it's a scandal?

Who cares what the wording is... he said "truckload", so what? This isn't the WikiLeaks of game news, this wasn't sourced from secret emails and backroom recordings, it was a quote from a meeting held in a town hall. Jobs wasn't big on games at first, but he softened on them when the money rolled in and newsflash he's dead anyway. It's Cook's show to run now.

I swear if Google did this for Android or even Sony paid to get PvZ 2 as a timed exclusive for Vita people wouldn't care this much.

I joining you in the "Why is this news?" camp "...

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THESE MOTHERFUCKERS CALLIN SCOOPS A LIAR

LOOK'S LIKE SOMEONE'S GONNA GET GOT BLAT BLAT

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Good ol moneyhats is alive and well.

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Good job Patrick, stand by what you reported.

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@stonyman65 said:

From what I've gathered following this story (loosely, because I don't really care) but it looks like someone at EA let something slip that they shouldn't have, the suits at Apple and EA lost their shit and set the office on fire because of it, and now both of them are backtracking saying they didn't do what they said they did before.

Am I missing anything?

You're missing the part where the "someone at EA" is actually the "suit" in charge of their whole mobile business. There are like one or two guys above him in the entire company.

Kinda puts the whole thing in a different light than what you imply.

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Behead those who criticise Mac.

Pay no attention to the shady deals behind the glowing white apple.

That Apple wasn't and still isn't being open about their business deals is fine since everyone else does it. Don't make me have to get off of my high horse.

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I am completely in the dark as to what else "Apple gave us a truckload of money to delay the Android version" could possibly mean. What could the 'context' possibly have been

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From what I've gathered following this story (loosely, because I don't really care) but it looks like someone at EA let something slip that they shouldn't have, the suits at Apple and EA lost their shit and set the office on fire because of it, and now both of them are backtracking saying they didn't do what they said they did before.

Am I missing anything?

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@darlan said:

I sure seems like they paid for exclusivity and I trust Patrick's reporting, but in the interest of discussing things I suppose there is another possible incentive for iOS exclusivity: just avoiding the android piracy rates for the first few months, much like how Ubisoft delays their PC releases.

That doesn't really make sense if the game is F2P in the first place though.

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@morningstar said:

Why is this such a big deal? It's not the first time it has happened and not the last.

Because Apple likes to distance itself from being a game publisher as much as possible. They act like they are above games and that games are only a fraction of the reason why people use their devices. So for them to do something like this, it goes against that whole mindset.

Games ARE only a fraction of their services. Hardware makes up the majority of their profits, which they put out in their earnings call, which anyone can look up. They have never said they are above games, they always demo a game to show off their latest hardware. The conclusions people are jumping to are really bizarre.

In any case, I'm also in the "why is this news?" camp.

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I sure seems like they paid for exclusivity and I trust Patrick's reporting, but in the interest of discussing things I suppose there is another possible incentive for iOS exclusivity: just avoiding the android piracy rates for the first few months, much like how Ubisoft delays their PC releases.

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@joshwent said:

Isn't the only question now... how much did Apple pay EA to say that they never paid them?

What would EA have to gain from throwing Apple under the bus truck full of money? Once one has come out publicly denying a deal, it hurts the business relationship to call them liars, and in the meantime, what do they have to gain? Customer goodwill? For EA, that would be like spitting on a forest fire. No additional money would have been needed for EA to corroborate the story.

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"In any other case, it wouldn’t even be a story, but where there is smoke, there is fire. I smell smoke here. Did Apple deliver a briefcase of cash to EA? No. Do I believe there was some agreement between the two? More than ever."

Pulitzer prize winning journalism story of the year.

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In related news, Plants vs. Zombies 2 is still garbage.

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  • Plants vs Zombies beta was announced for Brazil and Australia
  • I dug the iPad out of the closet
  • Blew the dust off
  • Had to charge it from dead
  • Setup an Australian account
  • Beat the game without paying any real money
  • Have no idea where the ipad is now

EA lost a sale, and so many more I'm sure, with that terrible F2P model. In fact, the whole grindiness of the entire game almost made me want to stop playing all-together more than it made me want to spend money to open the next world.

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I don't think its that shocking A thing considering its more or less what happens in the console space all the time. I do think its some great reporting by Patrick, he is one of the few people in the games press going great stuff.

I don't see why they would not just confirm it. "Yeah we paid for it", its not the first or last time it has or will happen.

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@amyggen said:

@morningstar: It's also Apple caring more about Android than they usually admit.

i think this is the main takeaway.

but i mean in the post jobs era they have been more direct in their quips against android

and jobs i believe is on record saying he would go to thermonuclear war with android.

so i dunno, a more direct move like this is not that shocking to me.

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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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@chilibean_3: That's exactly how I would take it, not seriously and treat it as an offhand, inaccurate remark. No idea why Patrick is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill on this.